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Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

06:32 PM - May 26, 2009 by iamemmittsmith

ESPN Videogames have posted the top 10 players by position in Madden NFL 10.

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# 101 jclentzthadon @ 05/26/09 11:41 PM

Calling all ratings guys we need some serious help here...

1) Tomlinson was hurt all year, he is not a 90 in spd- more like a 92
2) Rivers has a weak arm, but it ain't an 81- more like an 85

3) Terrell Owens can still run, he ain't a 89 in spd- needs to be a 93

4) Brady has a gun but Rothlisberger needs to be higher

5) Portis needs to be faster- more like a 92-93

I just see some wild stuff out there...

# 102 iBlievN5 @ 05/26/09 11:44 PM

I agree with your general arguement but I never understand rating players against the HOF. Those players don't play in todays NFL and Madden shouldn't consider them. Madden should be based of the players we see today. 99= best at position and bet in the NFL. It can be a couple of players at the same position.

Portis has shown no breakaway speed since gaining weight.

# 103 Glorious Arc @ 05/26/09 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jclentzthadon


	Calling all ratings guys we need some serious help here... 1) Tomlinson was hurt all year, he is not a 90 in spd- more like a 92

Of all the issues you pick LTs speed? His carry is the biggest issue honestly. He has fumbled once in the past 2 seasons on 719 touches and only has an 87...Turner fumbled 3 times on less then 400 attempts and he has a 98.

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It may not be fair to use other seasons but just to use this season alone LT fumbled ONCE on 344 touches. He basicly played 3 times better then Turner but ends up being 11 points less in carry...? I rest my case.

# 104 SoxFan01605 @ 05/26/09 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KensaiKatai


	These ratings are all around horrible..99 ovrs should only occur with two conditions (guaranteed hall of fame induction AND great previous year) i was expecting a lot more realism this year with the ratings (i've been saying for years that players are way too overrated and i thought they were on the right track with the greater disparity between player ratings this year), guess i was mistaken, but i'll wait to see how the game plays before i make my last judgement but as it stands i'm very skeptical and this could have an incredible effect on how realistic the gameplay truly is.. 97 thp for brady lol..whatever, i urge EA to reconsider a lot of these ratings and to study some more film. i don't have time to sit here and break every player down that i have a problem with (yes there's that many!) unless they plan on hiring me or requesting it from me personally because i don't care what the people who buy this game think and who knows if my comment here will ever get read by the people who make the changes.. but these were about 90% wrong IMO. Thanks for the sneak peek though.

Interesting...

While I share some of the opinion that these appear off, I could personally care less at this point for two reasons:

1. We have no idea how the ratings play off eachother. People have been getting bent out of shape over a 90 vs 95 for years and it was silliness. Take your 95, I'll take a 75 and THAT difference will be barely noticeable...let alone a difference in smaller measure.

People are too concerned with the numbers...it's about how they balance within the game that matters. That's not to say how they will balance one way or the other (they could very well be as bad as you seem to think they will be). That's the point...we don't know yet.

They already said the top tier players (basically, the ones on the list) would stay high...it's the balancing among the various skill levels and tiers, along with the ratings themselves that were supposedly tweaked. I don't see how you could garner all your concern from a list of ONLY the top 10 at each position is all.

2. We can change them if we disagree.

Not saying you're wrong...just saying "don't jump!"

# 105 steelers1 @ 05/26/09 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead


	Sorrry, I gotta disagree with Big Ben, he threw 17 tds to 15 ints last year medicore to the core. He is also the perfect example of his defense winning. Yes he had a decent game in the Super Bowl but again the d bailed him out with a 99 yrd int right at the half so that he even had a chance for a final drive. Also look at the Seattle Super Bowl. Big Ben gets the honor of having the worst rating ever for a winning qb. Even with Pitt being a run first team there is no excuse to throw as many picks as tds as be a top 5 qb. Then they go and totally leave Aaron Rodgers out even though he was top 5 in almost every passing category?

OK, now you'll see my bias. Ben did have a pretty average year statistically. But in reality he had a good year with a really bad 3 game stretch. During that stretch he was also playing injured (no excuses, but he's been known to stay in games even when he probably shouldn't be in aka 2006). Against the Giants, Skins, and Colts, the Steelers went 1-2 and Roethlisberger was 47-87 for 519 yards, 1 TD, and 8 INTs. Thats completing 54% of his passes and having a 37.5 passer rating. In his defense, 2 of his picks came on hail marys at the end of games (Colts/Giants), 1 was on a ball tipped at the line and one hit Nate Washington in the hands and Nate tipped it up to a Giants defender. So that's pretty much a horrible 3 games. BUT....

The other 13 games he was 234 of 382 (61.3%) for 2782 yards with 16 TDs and 7 INTs for an 89.8 rating, which is pretty good.

And for the super bowl, do you really think the Steelers would have played the way they did if the Cards had been leading in the second half? The second half of that game, the Steelers basically ran for no gain and punted every possession until the Cards took the lead. The D played an awful 4th quarter.

edit: And I will admit to Ben playing terrible in SB XL, but he was the reason the Steelers won their 3 playoff games that year. He was absolutely phenomenal. And had he thrown the TD in the SB instead of ran it in he would have had a better passer rating. He also converted a 3rd and 28 to set up the TD at the end of the first half to take the lead and shift the momentum.

# 106 Glorious Arc @ 05/26/09 11:56 PM

I lied I dont rest my case lol here is my post in the official ratings thread...I wonder why this one hasnt been locked?

If Turner has 98 carry with 127 touches per fumble then LT should have 120 carry with his 719 touches and one fumble over the last two seasons.

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	Turner should be lowered to 94-95 carry because he is still good but he is not the best. Williams should be higher as well with 97-98 behind LTs 99. Williams over the past 3 seasons has had 616 touches with only one fumble. For those thinking I am being a homer about Turner and Williams...Turner has had a total of 5 fumbles in 5 seasons averaging 124 touches per fumble. It is great compared to other RBs but he is still not better then Williams or LT

# 107 kjcheezhead @ 05/27/09 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by steelers1


	OK, now you'll see my bias. Ben did have a pretty average year statistically. But in reality he had a good year with a really bad 3 game stretch. During that stretch he was also playing injured (no excuses, but he's been known to stay in games even when he probably shouldn't be in aka 2006).

Aaron Rodgers played as many games with a seperated shoulder-so injury speaking its a draw.

Now to the numbers:

Rodgers 28 tds 13 ints 4038 yrds 93.8 rating
BigBen 17 tds 15 ints 3301 yrds 80.1 rating

How come Ben got the ring and Rodgers didnt? Oh yeah, Green Bays defense was a sieve just like New Orleans who also has a great QB without a ring.

As for the Super Bowl who knows how the game wouldve went if Arizona scored that td instead of Pitt at the half, all I do know is that d made the biggest play of the game right there and without it, the Cards may well have been world champions.

# 108 Yo-Yo @ 05/27/09 12:02 AM

Hahah. It's funny how you guys argue over everything. I think that most of the ratings are passable and all those "Oh his speed is too high-his TH Power is too high-he doesnt deserve it" are funny. You guys are like little kids. Im not being a jerk but you guys need to chill. The ratings can never satisfy a fan of a certain team and that's ok.

# 109 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead


	Aaron Rodgers played as many games with a seperated shoulder-so injury speaking its a draw. Now to the numbers: Rodgers 28 tds 13 ints 4038 yrds 93.8 rating BigBen 17 tds 15 ints 3301 yrds 80.1 rating How come Ben got the ring and Rodgers didnt? Oh yeah, Green Bays defense was a sieve just like New Orleans who also has a great QB without a ring. As for the Super Bowl who knows how the game wouldve went if Arizona scored that td instead of Pitt at the half, all I do know is that d made the biggest play of the game right there and without it, the Cards may well have been world champions.

You can do the easy work and look at the overall picture of what happened in the 2008 season and say that this QB performed better. But can you take a look at what teams you played and then compare the defenses each team faced and say the same thing? The answer is no you cant.

The Steelers as I already posted have played 8 games against the top rated defenses including both best pass defense and the top ten for least points allowed per game. The steelers had no offensive line and no run game.

The packers on the other hand. Played against 7 of the bottom 10 pass defenses and only played against 3 teams with top ten defenses. They had a decent running game and a better offensive line then the steelers.

Its no wonder why Rogers put up better numbers. None of the teams he played against where all that great at defending the pass.

# 110 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Well we appreciate being called names by a guy with 4 posts. This whole board is about feedback to the Dev team. So what we say here matters, and the debate is worth having even if it didn't.

+1

Besides what else is there to talk about right now? The game is almost done, so its not like we can change much of the "big" stuff. Rating changes are very easy in comparison.

# 111 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Yeah, this is the dead part of the off-season. It's all wait and see at this point. Besides, I love discussing (arguing) with y'all about this stuff.

We finally have some "real" attributes to discuss/argue about hence why I joined in on the fun. I really wonder why they didnt list finesse and power move next to the man/zone coverage...Makes almost no sense to show us the top 8 defensive players coverage stats if they are linemen

# 112 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead


	Aaron Rodgers played as many games with a seperated shoulder-so injury speaking its a draw. Now to the numbers: Rodgers 28 tds 13 ints 4038 yrds 93.8 rating BigBen 17 tds 15 ints 3301 yrds 80.1 rating How come Ben got the ring and Rodgers didnt? Oh yeah, Green Bays defense was a sieve just like New Orleans who also has a great QB without a ring. As for the Super Bowl who knows how the game wouldve went if Arizona scored that td instead of Pitt at the half, all I do know is that d made the biggest play of the game right there and without it, the Cards may well have been world champions.

I believe without Roethlisberger, the Steelers wouldn't have won 8 games last year. I also believe that even if the Steelers have a mediocre defense (won't happen as long as Lebeau is there), with Ben under center they will always have a chance.

Football is a team effort. So yeah, any team that has a bad defense is going to lose. Aaron Rodgers is a good QB, and put up good numbers, but it's a completely different system and he played against easier defenses. (He had 600+ yards and 6 TDs in 2 games against the Lions last year.) I also agree completely that the Packers D was the reason they sucked last year. But I think it was on ESPN they had Rodgers' stats when he had an opportunity to lead a game winning drive and the numbers were terrible.

Aaron Rodgers threw 4 game losing interceptions last year. Roethlisberger led 6 game winning drives in the 4th quarter, including the Super Bowl. I'll take a never say die, win-ugly QB over a losing QB with pretty numbers. End of story.

# 113 SoxFan01605 @ 05/27/09 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Glorious Arc


	We finally have some "real" attributes to discuss/argue about hence why I joined in on the fun. I really wonder why they didnt list finesse and power move next to the man/zone coverage...Makes almost no sense to show us the top 10 defensive players coverage stats if they are linemen

Of course, one could also argue that it made no sense to group all the defensive players in the first place.

ESPN for ya!

# 114 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	And I will repeat what another poster above said, how the hell is James Harrison NOT a top 10 player? WTF? Defensive player of the year, greatest play in SB history AND won his second ring.

I wonder where he is myself. I would laugh if he was number 9 on the list but still you would think he would be rated higher then a 97.

# 115 kjcheezhead @ 05/27/09 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Glorious Arc


	The Steelers as I already posted have played 8 games against the top rated defenses including both best pass defense and the top ten for least points allowed per game. The steelers had no offensive line and no run game. The packers on the other hand. Played against 7 of the bottom 10 pass defenses and only played against 3 teams with top ten defenses. They had a decent running game and a better offensive line then the steelers.

Ill give you the defenses they were facing. I gotta say tho the Rothlesberger had the advantage of playing for the team that was number 1 in passing defense itself and number 2 in rushing. Big Ben is a product a of good team, ala Trent Dilfer- I honestly believe that. Just go the NFL.com and click on passing stats, you'll find him halfway down the board in every stat.

# 116 J Masta J @ 05/27/09 12:33 AM

Roddy White at 94 is a little outrageous...

# 117 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead


	Ill give you the defenses they were facing. I gotta say tho the Rothlesberger had the advantage of playing for the team that was number 1 in passing defense itself and number 2 in rushing. Big Ben is a product a of good team, ala Trent Dilfer- I honestly believe that. Just go the NFL.com and click on passing stats, you'll find him halfway down the board in every stat.

Close, He was the second most sacked QB and he fumbled the most(Im joking with you but those are serious stats). I think the fact that Ben lead his team to more wins and the way he played are major pluses if you look at the environment he was in. Its also no small fact that Rogers inherited a growing strong young offense.

At this point I can only say that its a wait and see game coming this year. I also lean a bit more to Ben because he is a bit more experienced as a starter.

# 118 kjcheezhead @ 05/27/09 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Fun fact: the 2008 Steelers played the second toughest schedule of any Superbowl winner. Ask me who played THE toughest... The 1979 Pittsburgh Steelers. God I love being a fan of the Black and Gold.

Im not denying the Steelers were a great team last year. For that matter they were great when they won vs Seattle a few years ago. All I'm am saying is I think they were great the same way the 85 bears and the 2000 Ravens were. There are a dozen teams quarterbacks I think outperformed Big Ben.

# 119 UtahUtes32 @ 05/27/09 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CKW11


	Wow Patrick Willis' speed is 90? I dont know much about the guy, does he really deserve 90 speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JTXupThgQ
tell me if he is.

# 120 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 12:59 AM

Roethlisberger has a career passer rating of 89.4 (9th all time). He has a career completion % of 62.4 (14th all time), has thrown 101 TDs to 69 INTs and is 7th all time in yards/attempt. He is 51-20 as a starter in the regular season and is 8-2 with an 87.2 rating in the playoffs. He is 22-4 against teams in his division in the regular season (24-4 total). He has set many Steelers single game and single season records, and also holds nearly all of the efficiency records (rating, comp %, ypam etc) and is 2nd only to Terry Bradshaw in most other areas (wins, TDs, yards, etc).

Everybody has their opinions, but comparing Roethlisberger to Trent Dilfer or Kerry Collins or any other game manager is ridiculous. And the 85 Bears had Jim McMahon, who was a pretty good QB and could have been really good if he hadn't got injured in 86.

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