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Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

06:32 PM - May 26, 2009 by iamemmittsmith

ESPN Videogames have posted the top 10 players by position in Madden NFL 10.

Game: Madden NFL 10Reader Score: 7.5/10 - Vote Now
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# 141 CatMan72 @ 05/27/09 08:22 AM

How is Brian Westbrook ranked higher than DeAngelo Williams???

# 142 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CatMan72


	How is Brian Westbrook ranked higher than DeAngelo Williams???

Westbrook can catch a lot better?

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They are the same overall lol...So its a matter of who they put in front of the other...Its like saying my 99 is better then your 99.

# 143 TheWatcher @ 05/27/09 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	See, this is what I was on about earlier. You subscribe to this myth that being a great system QB with huge stats makes you a great overall player. I disagree. Manning and Brady have time and time again PROVEN themselves to be physically incabable of making plays when the system breaks down. They curl up and take a sack or throw the ball away. Roethlisberger makes plays when Manning or Brady would be sacked or give up on the play. That counts for something. There is a game that is played between the hash marks that cannot be measured in statistics.

The whole system QB debate is so dead and buried. I think we have enough history behind us now to realize that no matter what system you place a guy in, HE is going to have to play well in order for it to work. For example, look at how many QB's have run the West Coast offense? But how many of them have been successful? Not many, and the guys that were most successful are sitting in the HOF right now (Montana, Young, Elway). Steve Bono played pretty much his whole career in that offense and I don't think he will be getting any HOF votes, but that's just my wild guess...

Bottom line and fact, the QB makes the system successful not the other way around. Any Coach at any level will tell you that. And Brady has proved unarguably that he can be successful in a controlled passing system or a wide-open system.

Also, in terms of what happens on breakdowns, I'd say historically that's been a Manning issue. I could point to lots of games where once pressure came on a regular basis Manning crumbled, and I can point to games where the same happened to Brady and he didn't crumble, Super Bowl 42 is a perfect example as he'd gotten smashed up all game long yet never threw a pick, had solid numbers, and still was able to get one last 4th quarter comeback drive in... unfortunately for him, Eli put together his own right after.

# 144 roadman @ 05/27/09 08:51 AM

I agree with Watcher.

Bah, no love for Rodgers(sixth ranked QB for QB rating) or Jennings ranked 6th in WR receiving yds.

# 145 Da Bears @ 05/27/09 08:57 AM

No love for Olsen or Forte.

# 146 jclentzthadon @ 05/27/09 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lint


	I would suggest you check and compare their stats, before making that comment.

Thats is what is wack- it ain't about 17 games bro. It's about longevity and what have you done. Marshall has been a stud since he has been in the league- TO is one of the GOAT's and white finally broke out after what 3-4 years? TO being an 89 in speed is crazy IMHO and what in the hell would justify him being an 89 in speed in the first place? They really need to work up the ratings on this game because what I see is way to many problems as I mentioned earlier.

Also on the TO front, they had him as a 96 in speed last year after he was a what the previous year? It's too much up and down with vets. TO needs to be a 93 in speed not an 89. If he has a great year then he'll be back up to mid 90's and then it is even more wack...

# 147 R9NALD9 @ 05/27/09 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	And he wasn't throwing for 4000 yards and 50 TDs back then either, now was he? I remember a game where he had FIVE COMPLETIONS and won the game! Those were great TEAMS that Brady just had to keep out of trouble and on schedule. The kicker won all three AFC Championship games and all three Superbowls. I'm not saying Brady sucked. Not at all. I'm just saying that he was not asked to do much during those Superbowl years other than manage the game, and didn't start blowing the doors off statistically until Moss arrived.

good points, couldn't agree more

# 148 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I agree with Watcher. Bah, no love for Rodgers(sixth ranked QB for QB rating) or Jennings ranked 6th in WR receiving yds.

Lets talk about Rogers...

Outside Factors besides how they played...

1. Packers played against 7 games of the bottom 10 pass defenses and only played against 3 games with top ten defenses.
2. He has a great receiving core. Not only can they catch the ball but they make great runs after the catch.
3. Farve put up similar/better numbers before he left. You would think that a young offense would only get better.
4. Overall he flashed greatness

Pros
1. Onto talking about Rogers himself. He has a great throw on the run ability. In fact, almost half of his highlights are him moving around and throwing on the run.
2. He has an average starting NFL QB arm. Meaning he can make all the throws and he has some zip.
3. He is mobile
4. He put up good numbers
5. He has solid deep accuracy

Cons
1. He played extremely weak defenses.
2. During many of the highlight Reels of 08 I saw he was slow to deliver the ball. He lacks great awareness.
3. He played in a west coast system. Known for inflating QB numbers.
4. He was inconsistent. Many times I saw his WRs slow down to make a play on the ball and then others I saw them catch in stride no problem.
5. When he had the chance to win games, he would lose them.

Do I think he is a franchise QB? The judge and jury are still out on that one. I think he should be rated in the 80s overall. He has yet to prove that he is a franchise QB or even a top 8 QB. Do I agree with the top 8 list? Yes and no. If Cutler is an 87 and is consider a franchise QB I really have to wonder where the rest of the league falls.

# 149 R9NALD9 @ 05/27/09 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KensaiKatai


	These ratings are all around horrible..99 ovrs should only occur with two conditions (guaranteed hall of fame induction AND great previous year) i was expecting a lot more realism this year with the ratings (i've been saying for years that players are way too overrated and i thought they were on the right track with the greater disparity between player ratings this year), guess i was mistaken, but i'll wait to see how the game plays before i make my last judgement but as it stands i'm very skeptical and this could have an incredible effect on how realistic the gameplay truly is.. 97 thp for brady lol..whatever, i urge EA to reconsider a lot of these ratings and to study some more film. i don't have time to sit here and break every player down that i have a problem with (yes there's that many!) unless they plan on hiring me or requesting it from me personally because i don't care what the people who buy this game think and who knows if my comment here will ever get read by the people who make the changes.. but these were about 90% wrong IMO. Thanks for the sneak peek though.

I tend to agree, waaaaay to many 95+ overall ratings

# 150 R9NALD9 @ 05/27/09 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	See, this is what I was on about earlier. You subscribe to this myth that being a great system QB with huge stats makes you a great overall player. I disagree. Manning and Brady have time and time again PROVEN themselves to be physically incabable of making plays when the system breaks down. They curl up and take a sack or throw the ball away. Roethlisberger makes plays when Manning or Brady would be sacked or give up on the play. That counts for something. There is a game that is played between the hash marks that cannot be measured in statistics.

at least someones out here knows what he is talking about. That is EXACTLY what makes Roethlisberger so valuable. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going.

Whenever the Steelers struggle, it is Roethlisberger that inspires them to keep on going. No matter how many knocks he take, he'll get up and continue playing.

I don't like the Steelers, and I hoped the Cardinals would win, but I respect Roethlisberger for the player he is, and for the fact that he is one of the rare breed quarterbacks that show real toughness.

# 151 roadman @ 05/27/09 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Glorious Arc


	Lets talk about Rogers... Outside Factors besides how they played... 1. Packers played against 7 games of the bottom 10 pass defenses and only played against 3 games with top ten defenses. 2. He has a great receiving core. Not only can they catch the ball but they make great runs after the catch. 3. Farve put up similar/better numbers before he left. You would think that a young offense would only get better. 4. Overall he flashed greatness Pros 1. Onto talking about Rogers himself. He has a great throw on the run ability. In fact, almost half of his highlights are him moving around and throwing on the run. 2. He has an average starting NFL QB arm. Meaning he can make all the throws and he has some zip. 3. He is mobile 4. He put up good numbers 5. He has solid deep accuracy Cons 1. He played extremely weak defenses. 2. During many of the highlight Reels of 08 I saw he was slow to deliver the ball. He lacks great awareness. 3. He played in a west coast system. Known for inflating QB numbers. 4. He was inconsistent. Many times I saw his WRs slow down to make a play on the ball and then others I saw them catch in stride no problem. 5. When he had the chance to win games, he would lose them. Do I think he is a franchise QB? The judge and jury are still out on that one. I think he should be rated in the 80s overall. He has yet to prove that he is a franchise QB or even a top 8 QB. Do I agree with the top 8 list? Yes and no. If Cutler is an 87 and is consider a franchise QB I really have to wonder where the rest of the league falls.

At least you agree with me on Jennings.

And I don't disagree with you on Rodgers except for one minor issue. A game or two, his fg kicker let him down in the closing moments. Plus, his defense, missing three starters with season ending injuries, plus special teams played a major factor in Rodgers winning close games. Those two areas you don't see on Sports Center.

I think awareness will come with more playing time. I think Rodgers should be in the 80's as well, probably mid 80's to start.

# 152 Glorious Arc @ 05/27/09 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	At least you agree with me on Jennings. And I don't disagree with you on Rodgers except for one minor issue. A game or two, his fg kicker let him down in the closing moments. Plus, his defense, missing three starters with season ending injuries, plus special teams played a major factor in Rodgers winning close games. Those two areas you don't see on Sports Center. I think awareness will come with more playing time. I think Rodgers should be in the 80's as well, probably mid 80's to start.

I didnt know his kicker messed over the games and his special teams setting him up. I think mid 80s is about right currently.

I dont understand how Jennings is below TO. I am pretty sure Jennings is more athletic and has better hands. Maybe he has worse route running and awareness?

# 153 pgtrain42 @ 05/27/09 11:19 AM

"Quote:
See, this is what I was on about earlier.

You subscribe to this myth that being a great system QB with huge stats makes you a great overall player. I disagree. Manning and Brady have time and time again PROVEN themselves to be physically incabable of making plays when the system breaks down. They curl up and take a sack or throw the ball away.

Roethlisberger makes plays when Manning or Brady would be sacked or give up on the play. That counts for something.

There is a game that is played between the hash marks that cannot be measured in statistics."

Roethlisberger makes plays when Brady or Manning would get sacked? Are you serious? Brady and Manning have the best pocket presence in the game, there's a reason that they always get the ball off before getting hit by a defender. On the other hand, Roethlisberger has been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL the last 3 years (46+ each time). You call Brady and Manning system quarterbacks when Big Ben for his first two years was part of a run first offensive attack (not to mention having a defense that was just as good as the Patriots D that won those 3 super bowls in each of his two Super Bowls). Two of the last three years he's nearly had more interceptions than touchdowns (he did in '06 by 5!). I'm not saying Roethlisberger is a bad quarterback, or even mediocre he's still top 5, but until he can stop throwing so many picks and getting sacked so much, he's not in Brady or Mannings class.

# 154 Yo-Yo @ 05/27/09 11:23 AM

Well EA always gives players who won the superbowl high ratings even if they didn't put up the big numbers. They always do that.

# 155 Yo-Yo @ 05/27/09 11:28 AM

So, SHOTGUN STYLES, are you saying that if Brady and Manning played for Raiders or Lions they would have bad seasons and would not lead their teams to the playoffs??? Cause if youre saying nobody would have heard of them , you mean that they would suck.

# 156 djp34 @ 05/27/09 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	So basically he runs a 4.7, and that is not fast for a receiving TE. There are 4.4 and 4.5 TEs in this league. 4.7 is getting into DT territory. You are subscribing to another myth that the system is just about Xs and Os. It's also about coaching and personnel. Bad play-calling, a weak GM, injuries, and a whole host of other factors can completely de-rail a QBs career. Marino was statistically the best passer of his time, but never had enough team around him to win a SB. If you cannot function outside the system and make plays, you are a system QB. That's Brady and Manning. Sure, Brady kept from making mistakes in the SB, but that makes him a game manager not a playmaker. He does not make big plays when the system breaks down. Period. McNabb does. Favre does. Roethlisberger does. That's the difference, and it can't be measured with a numerical formula. Brady is the best in the game only because the rules of the NFL are designed to be unfair to defenses. Brady is a product of the system that he plays in, and the rules designed to allow him to cheat when he's in trouble. If he couldn't slide or throw the ball away he would start to be exposed. Go a step further and remove the rediculous 5 yard chuck rule (the Mel Blount Rule) and now he HAS to make plays because everyone isn't going to be running downfield untouched. This game has been around a long time. But in the last 30 years has become less and less fair to defenses. Brady and Manning are manufactured superstars who lack the physical talent to play in a league that does not cater to their weakness. People always want to know why there is so much bad QB play in the NFL. The answer is that these pink jersey rules surrounding QBs and the passing game have bred so much weakness and cowardice into the position that most of these guys don't have what it takes to survive adversity. Manning and Brady have always played on very talented teams, and faced very little on-field adversity (Tom's knee being the worst). I submit to you that if either played for the Raiders or Lions nobody outside of hardcore fans would have heard of them.

Hes just a ***** because we beat them in the afc champ twice when they were favored both times. So montana is a system quarterback also and he was only good cause he had rice lol.

# 157 mavfan21 @ 05/27/09 11:47 AM

Wow...I can't believe McNabb's Deep Accuracy is so low. That's the thing he does best. He throws a fantastic deep ball. The short/touch throws are difficult for him, but very few people throw a better deep bomb. Guess I'll have to edit that myself.

# 158 C the Lyte @ 05/27/09 11:50 AM

Most of the time I take up for the EA guys when people are hammering them, however, I have to agree with alot of the negativity on this one. I read somewhere on here where 99 should constitute a future hall of famer. I couldn't agree more. But with some of these, and Donny dropping the ratings of alot of the "average" players even lower, these top 10 guys are going to be like Greek Gods out there!!! I play as the Titans so Manning is going to be a beast!!! Speaking of Titans, you mean to tell me Chris Johnson isn't top 10 material? He was the 8th leading rusher in the league, 3rd in AFC. What gives?

# 159 djp34 @ 05/27/09 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Um.... YEP!

LOL another ridiculous argument moss doesnt make everyone a hof Brady was fine without moss. How many hof type rec did brady have from 2001-2006 he had good stats those yrs sooo.. lol

# 160 KensaiKatai @ 05/27/09 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Now I KNOW you didn't go there. Do we REALLY need to talk about Brady's fake record? Do we REALLY need to get into him going 5 wide late in the 4th quarter against bad teams with a 35 point lead? They broke the record because it was all they cared about. Sportsmanship be damned. The ran up the score on weak teams in a league where defenses play with one hand tied behind their backs. That 50 TD record is an embarrassment to the NFL. It was all about Bellicheck trying to get back at the media for catching him cheating.

shotgun i agree with pretty much everything you've said throughout this thread. keep it up, let em know!

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