Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

So basically he runs a 4.7, and that is not fast for a receiving TE. There are 4.4 and 4.5 TEs in this league. 4.7 is getting into DT territory. You are subscribing to another myth that the system is just about Xs and Os. It's also about coaching and personnel. Bad play-calling, a weak GM, injuries, and a whole host of other factors can completely de-rail a QBs career. Marino was statistically the best passer of his time, but never had enough team around him to win a SB. If you cannot function outside the system and make plays, you are a system QB. That's Brady and Manning. Sure, Brady kept from making mistakes in the SB, but that makes him a game manager not a playmaker. He does not make big plays when the system breaks down. Period. McNabb does. Favre does. Roethlisberger does. That's the difference, and it can't be measured with a numerical formula. Brady is the best in the game only because the rules of the NFL are designed to be unfair to defenses. Brady is a product of the system that he plays in, and the rules designed to allow him to cheat when he's in trouble. If he couldn't slide or throw the ball away he would start to be exposed. Go a step further and remove the rediculous 5 yard chuck rule (the Mel Blount Rule) and now he HAS to make plays because everyone isn't going to be running downfield untouched. This game has been around a long time. But in the last 30 years has become less and less fair to defenses. Brady and Manning are manufactured superstars who lack the physical talent to play in a league that does not cater to their weakness. People always want to know why there is so much bad QB play in the NFL. The answer is that these pink jersey rules surrounding QBs and the passing game have bred so much weakness and cowardice into the position that most of these guys don't have what it takes to survive adversity. Manning and Brady have always played on very talented teams, and faced very little on-field adversity (Tom's knee being the worst). I submit to you that if either played for the Raiders or Lions nobody outside of hardcore fans would have heard of them.

In a nutshell, would this theory of yours apply to Montana? Elway? Staubach, Bradshaw? Based upon your analysis, you are saying that today's rules are specifically designed so that Brady and qb's like him (immobile) can succeed? Tell me what qb would you consider great?

Also, you put any QB on that lions team and no one would have heard of them. The real question is if you put the current lions qb on the pats, would they be as successful? The reality is every qb runs a system, therefore they are one with the system. The Key is, can you take your system and beat me with mine, that is where greatness is found, to date, or should I say in this modern era, Brady's system is supreme. Period.

[Tito78]

As much as I had to give any sort of props to a Giants player, Jacobs got the shaft; he's better than DeAngelo Williams.

[Tito78]

TO is better that Roddy white, Calvin Johnson and Moss should be ahead of Steve Smith.

[shotgun styles]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yo-Yo

So, SHOTGUN STYLES, are you saying that if Brady and Manning played for Raiders or Lions they would have bad seasons and would not lead their teams to the playoffs??? Cause if youre saying nobody would have heard of them , you mean that they would suck.

Well, yes. It's a team game afterall. Very few QBs can carry a bad team. Favre was one. Vick, and McNabb are two others. But that is because they could do amazing things on their own. Manning and Brady can't make plays on their own. They rely on the system to help them.

So yes, they would suck without very talented teams around them.

Quote: Originally Posted by NovaStar

In a nutshell, would this theory of yours apply to Montana? Elway? Staubach, Bradshaw? Based upon your analysis, you are saying that today's rules are specifically designed so that Brady and qb's like him (immobile) can succeed? Tell me what qb would you consider great?

For someone advocating statistical analysis, you don't seem to have done any. Staubach and Bradshaw played before the 1978 rule changes. They were very good, but statistically don't compare to today's QBs. That's because the rules did not allow them and their recievers free reign. They had to earn that football, it wasn't free like it is today.

Furthermore, both had to make plays because cheating was not allowed. You couldn't throw the ball at the HB's feet to avoid a hit (naked cowardice).

Quote: Originally Posted by NovaStar

Also, you put any QB on that lions team and no one would have heard of them. The real question is if you put the current lions qb on the pats, would they be as successful? The reality is every qb runs a system, therefore they are one with the system. The Key is, can you take your system and beat me with mine, that is where greatness is found, to date, or should I say in this modern era, Brady's system is supreme. Period.

You mean Culpepper to Moss? I remember that combo. IT WAS EXPLOSIVE. Thanks for making my point for me! Those two were good for like 40 touchdowns in a season, and battled with Manning for the record.

[Tito78]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scoop 24

i have to agree a 81 thp ouch

I don't know if it should be that low; however, it shouldn't be that much higher IMO. Rivers, while he doesn't have a water pistol for an arm, he's doesn't have the strongest arm either.

[djp34]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

So basically he runs a 4.7, and that is not fast for a receiving TE. There are 4.4 and 4.5 TEs in this league. 4.7 is getting into DT territory. You are subscribing to another myth that the system is just about Xs and Os. It's also about coaching and personnel. Bad play-calling, a weak GM, injuries, and a whole host of other factors can completely de-rail a QBs career. Marino was statistically the best passer of his time, but never had enough team around him to win a SB. If you cannot function outside the system and make plays, you are a system QB. That's Brady and Manning. Sure, Brady kept from making mistakes in the SB, but that makes him a game manager not a playmaker. He does not make big plays when the system breaks down. Period. McNabb does. Favre does. Roethlisberger does. That's the difference, and it can't be measured with a numerical formula. Brady is the best in the game only because the rules of the NFL are designed to be unfair to defenses. Brady is a product of the system that he plays in, and the rules designed to allow him to cheat when he's in trouble. If he couldn't slide or throw the ball away he would start to be exposed. Go a step further and remove the rediculous 5 yard chuck rule (the Mel Blount Rule) and now he HAS to make plays because everyone isn't going to be running downfield untouched. This game has been around a long time. But in the last 30 years has become less and less fair to defenses. Brady and Manning are manufactured superstars who lack the physical talent to play in a league that does not cater to their weakness. People always want to know why there is so much bad QB play in the NFL. The answer is that these pink jersey rules surrounding QBs and the passing game have bred so much weakness and cowardice into the position that most of these guys don't have what it takes to survive adversity. Manning and Brady have always played on very talented teams, and faced very little on-field adversity (Tom's knee being the worst). I submit to you that if either played for the Raiders or Lions nobody outside of hardcore fans would have heard of them.

Hes just a ***** because we beat them in the afc champ twice when they were favored both times. So montana is a system quarterback also and he was only good cause he had rice lol.

[shotgun styles]

Quote: Originally Posted by NovaStar

Also, you put any QB on that lions team and no one would have heard of them. The real question is if you put the current lions qb on the pats, would they be as successful?

Um....

YEP!

[mavfan21]

Wow...I can't believe McNabb's Deep Accuracy is so low. That's the thing he does best. He throws a fantastic deep ball. The short/touch throws are difficult for him, but very few people throw a better deep bomb. Guess I'll have to edit that myself.