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MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

07:41 PM - March 2, 2010 by Kolbe

Here is our list of the current known issues that we're looking into for immediate attention:

Attendance:
Attendance is not correctly getting reported. In talking with Jeff, he has a fix in mind that is fairly safe but would end up in the actual attendance not mirroring the paid attendance you get in franchise. It would fix the issue where you have 50k+ people attending Spring Training games. This will also fix issues with playoff games and games played in any stadium that isn't your own.
* UPDATE - This was caused by the stadium select screen being added to franchise, causing the attendance to be reset using the non-franchise logic. The stadium select was previously never used for playoff games, so it didn't handle that situation. This is fixed and it also fixes the issue with spring training games showing the attendance as if they were in their home stadium.

Trade Waivers:
Users can claim anyone off of trade waivers - CPU teams will never pull them back.
* UPDATE - fixed this one - a simple fix that will prevent user teams from simply claiming everyone that was passed through trade waivers.

No Contract:
Players can get into a state where they have no contract.
* UPDATE - As soon as a player was placed on release waivers, his contract was cleared. Then if he was claimed, he didn't have a contract. It was also clearing his 40-man roster status, which is what was causing him to go to AAA instead of the MLB team. Have a fix for this.

Player Potential:
Looks like a fairly bad miscommunication ended up with us having some seriously out of whack potentials. This will be corrected with the next roster download (Monday)
* UPDATE - Lorne is taking care of this - will be fixed with a roster update.

Multi Closer issue:
If a CPU team has 2 closers (one acquired in a trade) - they will always send one down to AAA.
* UPDATE - It would just look at the closers and see that they had more than they needed so they'd send one down, but they wouldn't look to see if they could send down a reliever instead and keep the 2nd closer in the bullpen. Have a fix for this.

Multi Trade players:
Not even sure what the details are on this one, but it looks like sometimes a player is traded and then re-traded or waived. Currently investigating.
* UPDATE - I have a fix for the trades. I'll not allow a player to be placed on the trading block by the CPU if he has been acquired by a trade recently.

Manual Trade issue:
I've seen a few reports of users having trades set to Manual and still having trades done by the CPU. Again, no idea how this is happening and we're looking for more information.
* UPDATE - Not sure what's happening here, we can not get this one to reproduce. Whoever is getting this, please make sure that you don't have your profile option set to something different than your global setting. If you need to talk to me via PM or IM for further info, please just say the word!
* UPDATE 2 Thanks to tabarnes19 and a couple hours of debugging we have found the issue and have a fix in the works.

If you respond, please please PLEASE do not be noise. We need clear help or silence - we want these things cleared up as much as you do!

-K

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# 541 Pared @ 03/08/10 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	Why would they ban someone who technically is correct that the game can be unplayable?

Someone was banned for being confrontational. Leave it alone. It has nothing to do with this thread.

# 542 roolz @ 03/08/10 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	Why would they ban someone who technically is correct that the game can be unplayable? Can't play in the Trop... sometimes when playing game just freezes and you're stuck (outside of Tropicana). Yes, the game is playable if you make efforts to avoid things... but the avg person buying the game is not expecting to have to avoid in-game items just to play it.

What do you have to avoid in the game just to be able to play it?

# 543 tabarnes19_SDS @ 03/08/10 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Good post Sergio. Santana was traded for Gomez, Humber, Mulvey and Guerra. Not individuals I'd call 4 cornerstones for your franchise, but that's just me.

Trade logic is a little goofy, but not outlandish. If you do not want to see a star traded release and resign hm to a longer deal.

I actually like that big players are traded for prospects, just wish it would be after the team is out of contention.

# 544 Skyboxer @ 03/08/10 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SergioRodriguez13


	i'm just gonna add my two cents on this "realistic trading" issue. stars DO get traded. i mean pujols getting dealt twice in a franchise is kind of out of worldly...but mike piazza got traded twice in a matter of days...when he was arguably the top slugging catcher in the game. alex rodriguez was traded in his career. johan santana was traded. roy halladay was traded. cliff lee was traded twice in the span of 6 months. derek jeter and chipper jones type players, who play for one franchise at an elite level their whole careers come along very rarely, which brings me to my point. if albert pujols gets traded in your franchise, it's not the end of the world. there have been stupid trades in the history of baseball, not EVERY trade is market-acceptable. if you want every GM in your franchise to be incredible businessmen, more power to you. but if albert pujols gets traded for 3 A-potentialed players, it's actually more plausible than you think. granted we all know it's NOT going to happen in real life this year, but strange things happen in general. i actually kind of hope pujols gets traded when i boot up my franchise, make things nice and fresh. so while i agree i'd love a patch that bails me out if i forget to check my trade proposals a couple days, there is NO reason to get on SCEA's case for trade logic.

Good post man...

# 545 Dreifort @ 03/08/10 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by roolz


	What do you have to avoid in the game just to be able to play it?

Can't play a full game in Tropicana Field.

Can't intentionally walk someone online.

Always worrying about a game freezing up sometimes late into a franchise season.

Can't perform some actions in RTTS without worrying about if the game will freeze or not?

And some can argue that the aspects created by some of the bugs & glitches detract from this game so much so it is no longer a baseball game....just some odd sports game.

# 546 roolz @ 03/08/10 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	Can't play a full game in Tropicana Field. I have without problems, im sure others have too. But appreciate that this is an issue. Can't intentionally walk someone online. Nothing to do with franchise, but can understand your frustration. Always worrying about a game freezing up sometimes late into a franchise season. Cant comment as ive not played late into a Franchise season yet Can't perform some actions in RTTS without worrying about if the game will freeze or not? Again not Franchise, and also cant comment as dont play RTTS And some can argue that the aspects created by some of the bugs & glitches detract from this game so much so it is no longer a baseball game....just some odd sports game.

I appreciate your post and im as annoyed as anyone when a 'bug' interferes with a game I enjoy, but Franchise mode is playable and does not need certain things to be avoided.

Sergio's post explains the logic thing more than I could, things dont always go to plan, thats how Franchise is atm.

# 547 ty5oke @ 03/08/10 03:31 PM

You just became a member 6 minutes ago and this is your first post?

# 548 ckarlic @ 03/08/10 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SergioRodriguez13


	i'm just gonna add my two cents on this "realistic trading" issue. stars DO get traded. i mean pujols getting dealt twice in a franchise is kind of out of worldly...but mike piazza got traded twice in a matter of days...when he was arguably the top slugging catcher in the game. alex rodriguez was traded in his career. johan santana was traded. roy halladay was traded. cliff lee was traded twice in the span of 6 months. derek jeter and chipper jones type players, who play for one franchise at an elite level their whole careers come along very rarely, which brings me to my point. if albert pujols gets traded in your franchise, it's not the end of the world. there have been stupid trades in the history of baseball, not EVERY trade is market-acceptable. if you want every GM in your franchise to be incredible businessmen, more power to you. but if albert pujols gets traded for 3 A-potentialed players, it's actually more plausible than you think. granted we all know it's NOT going to happen in real life this year, but strange things happen in general. i actually kind of hope pujols gets traded when i boot up my franchise, make things nice and fresh. so while i agree i'd love a patch that bails me out if i forget to check my trade proposals a couple days, there is NO reason to get on SCEA's case for trade logic.

I agree with you. Like many of us here, I would love for the Show to be a real as possible. I love to have up to date real life rosters in my franchise but, in all honesty, it boils down to it still being a video game the mimics real like in a "virtual" vaccumm. Yeah, some of the trades made during a franchise can be outrageous if you apply them to the real world, but since the trades are virtual, they sometimes aren't so bad if you look at them from the "virtual" perspective. I hope this makes sense to some.

With that said, rather then drive myself crazy and buy myself a one way ticket to "shutter island", I choose to start my franchise with the most up to date rosters when I decide to start. What happens during my franchise is fine with me. I don't have the time to control all 30 teams and don't have the time to keep up with all the transactions during the season and mirror them in my franchise.

Just my .02 cents.

# 549 ckarlic @ 03/08/10 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtiger


	the biggest problem is when the CPU will trade players from the user controlled team unless you use a work around, that completely destroys franchise mode because if you take time to draft and develop players the CPU can just trade them away if you sim more than 1 day at a time.

Im sort of confused about the franchise bug. Let's say I choose the Yankees and have "ckarlic" as the profile but choose to control all the other teams with no profile set. Would the CPU try to trade players from my team, the Yankees?

# 550 BobSacamano @ 03/08/10 03:38 PM

Stars do get traded, no doubt. However, when stars get traded, it's either due to:

1. Money - team can't afford to resign a player and field a competitive team.
2. Rebuilding - reason #1 is usually involved as well, but a struggling team decides to turn one star into 2-4 potential stars.

This is not happening in the game right now. Stars are being dealt seemingly willy-nilly by rich teams and competitive teams. I'm still seeing Jon Lester dealt mid-season by the Red Sox. This is likely due to the combination of loads of high-potential guys in the minors and faulty trade-logic and team-management engines. Combine the wonky trades with an AI that does not promote or demote players and you have a pretty unplayable franchise mode. You can try to justify the computer's decisions all you want but there's almost no doubt that franchise is not working as the developers wished it would.

You guys would probably hate it if, when actually playing the game, you could turn triple plays at will or if every pitcher threw 120 mph, right? That's the in-game equivalent of how franchise mode is playing right now.

I do appreciate that you guys are defending the game and the developers, because there is a lot to defend. I love how the game plays when it's playing right, and franchise mode in '09 was a total blast. However, please do understand that our frustrations are based in reality. I WANT the game to work, I really really do. It's just not happening right now.

# 551 Dreifort @ 03/08/10 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ckarlic


	Im sort of confused about the franchise bug. Let's say I choose the Yankees and have "ckarlic" as the profile but choose to control all the other teams with no profile set. Would the CPU try to trade players from my team, the Yankees?

In MLB09, NO TRADES would ever be made without you, the user, making a trade for any team. What fun is that? lol...

So if you have to set everyteam to Human control (diff profiles or not) just to avoid having your own players traded off your team -- how is that playable -- in a fun sense?

# 552 Skyboxer @ 03/08/10 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	Can't play a full game in Tropicana Field. Yes you can. Just can't hit select button when playing there... Can't intentionally walk someone online. I have been vs houtz, He int walked Mark Teixeira... Always worrying about a game freezing up sometimes late into a franchise season. Hasn't frozen on me yet... Can't perform some actions in RTTS without worrying about if the game will freeze or not? No RTTS freezes with me yet... And some can argue that the aspects created by some of the bugs & glitches detract from this game so much so it is no longer a baseball game....just some odd sports game.

Yeah there are "those" people in every game thread..so...

# 553 ty5oke @ 03/08/10 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	In MLB09, NO TRADES would ever be made without you, the user, making a trade for any team. What fun is that? lol... So if you have to set everyteam to Human control (diff profiles or not) just to avoid having your own players traded off your team -- how is that playable -- in a fun sense?

If you set it to manual for all the other teams you still see trades, you just have to accept them yourself.

# 554 Dreifort @ 03/08/10 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	Just can't hit the select button when playing there...

again....the avg buyer will not know this and it will freeze. And even knowing this...prohibits you from enjoying the game as it was meant to be played.

# 555 Dreifort @ 03/08/10 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ty5oke


	If you set it to manual for all the other teams you still see trades, you just have to accept them yourself.

If all 30 are human, how come there are still trades being offered?

# 556 Skyboxer @ 03/08/10 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort


	again....the avg buyer will not know this and it will freeze. And even knowing this...prohibits you from enjoying the game as it was meant to be played.

I'm enjoying it just fine, thank you very much.
I always enjoy my VIDEO GAMES....

# 557 Microsoft_Works @ 03/08/10 03:45 PM

So anyone test out that theory posted like 4 pages back?

Playing without budgets on, does it help stop the CPU from making ridiculous trades to dump salary?

# 558 Cantgetright69 @ 03/08/10 03:52 PM

Did the roster update fix anything? Does the game still have huge issues? Anything fixed or improved today?

# 559 GoBucs09 @ 03/08/10 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantgetright69


	Did the roster update fix anything? Does the game still have huge issues? Anything fixed or improved today?

It would appear that the MLB players potential ratings have been fixed which is what was promised. However the Minor league excess of A potential pitchers remains. I seen a count of 120 some A potential pitchers vs 20 position players.

Hopefully this is addressed in the "if" patch or next roster update.

# 560 bxgoods @ 03/08/10 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ty5oke


	If you set it to manual for all the other teams you still see trades, you just have to accept them yourself.

But you have to draft for all 30 teams in the draft for all teh round, you can't just sim a pick.
And its hard to focus on one team this way, because in the standings, all of the teams are highlighted yellow because your controlling all of them. Its too much of a hassle for some people.

I'm still going to start my franchise today, but the best bet for me is to just sim one day at a time, and make sure no trades were made. I can't go through the draft having to select for all 30 teams, that is no fun.

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