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Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

09:32 PM - October 16, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

Check out the Madden NFL 10 blog, which talks about the preliminary details of the 2nd title update.

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	"In this second title update we focused on some of the more debated topics from our loyal and passionate fan base. We appreciate all the feedback so please keep it coming! In this update you will be happy to hear that we have tuned our Flat Zone assignments to cover the flats more effectively. Defenders will not chuck a WR if another receiver is running a route towards their zone. This will help the defender be in better position to react to a quickly throw flat route and allow him to make a play. The flat zone defenders will also play the ball better if a pass is thrown behind the line of scrimmage as well as taking better pursuit angles after the catch to prevent the ball carrier from being able to get around the corner. This has been one of the top complaints that we have heard about and realized it was definitely something that we needed to address."

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# 321 cowboy_kmoney @ 11/13/09 04:09 PM

Ian said that this patch wasnt trough, So do anyone think its a might that in this patch we may get back the draft info?

... Man this would help out so much.

# 322 JohnDoe8865 @ 11/13/09 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cowboy_kmoney


	Ian said that this patch wasnt trough, So do anyone think its a might that in this patch we may get back the draft info?... Man this would help out so much.

No, IIRC Josh Looman said this couldn't be done.

# 323 Scott @ 11/13/09 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by johnkorean


	The rumor is that Patch 2 won't apply to existing franchises.

Wrong.

# 324 DrUrsus @ 11/13/09 04:29 PM

I'm not taking shot at just EA here because 2K has had an exclusive agreement with baseball (on the 360), but we will not see a great football game until the exclusive license ends or isn't renewed in my opinion.

I urge people that "waste their time posting here" as someone noted (not that I necessarily agree, the squeaky wheel often gets the oil now doesn't it?) to instead send letters to the NFL to ask them to end the exclusive license. But, money talks in this life.

Same for baseball (MLB 09, by the way is a first party game made by Sony, that is why the PS3 can have 2 baseball games. MS should use their High Heat license and try to make a decent baseball game for the 360. I used to be in the video game industry and it all comes down to the talent that is hired for the games and the support they get from the "suits" at the end of the day.)
I don't think there is anything wrong with posting here about your frustrations about the patch as long as it doesn't get personal and stays mature and constructive. After all, when you really think about it, isn't that the point of forums? I'm old enough to remember when all of this (internet) didn't exist and you couldn't get much info about your games or talk to other people that enjoy the same hobby as yourself.
Just my 2 cents.

# 325 roadman @ 11/13/09 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DrUrsus


	I'm not taking shot at just EA here because 2K has had an exclusive agreement with baseball (on the 360), but we will not see a great football game until the exclusive license ends or isn't renewed in my opinion. I urge people that "waste their time posting here" as someone noted (not that I necessarily agree, the squeaky wheel often gets the oil now doesn't it?) to instead send letters to the NFL to ask them to end the exclusive license. But, money talks in this life. Same for baseball (MLB 09, by the way is a first party game made by Sony, that is why the PS3 can have 2 baseball games. MS should use their High Heat license and try to make a decent baseball game for the 360. I used to be in the video game industry and it all comes down to the talent that is hired for the games and the support they get from the "suits" at the end of the day.) I don't think there is anything wrong with posting here about your frustrations about the patch as long as it doesn't get personal and stays mature and constructive. After all, when you really think about it, isn't that the point of forums? I'm old enough to remember when all of this (internet) didn't exist and you couldn't get much info about your games or talk to other people that enjoy the same hobby as yourself. Just my 2 cents.

I agree with your post.

I remember those times too well. The games were simpler(some of them) and we played them for fun for hours on end without the need for patches. (even if they needed patches)
Pong was a very boring game with no strategy, but it was played for hours and hours. Simple, boring by today's standards and yet entertaining.

# 326 johnkorean @ 11/13/09 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott


	Wrong.

So that's not the rumor? Because I could have sworn I've seen posts about how some people are worrying that the lack of communication from EA/Ian/dev team is because "there afraid to tell every1 that you will have to restart your franchise," assuming that silence must mean bad news.

If you mean that the rumor isn't true, then maybe try saying that instead, and maybe provide a link to some definitive source stating that franchises won't need to be restarted.

Other than that, helpful post!

# 327 mike24forever @ 11/13/09 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by adam45h


	EA bought out the right to exclusively make NFL video games when the competition really started to catch up to them, rather than simply try to improve their own product. They brought this upon themselves. With that said, I love this game as is, a few patched improvements would be nice too. I feel I've gotten my moneys worth even. But Madden has been around for quite a while to still have gaping holes in gameplay. Simple as that, they need to get better at their jobs. The patching system wasn't designed to allow companies to release games earlier than they perhaps should, so f--- EA and 2K for turning it into that. A patch should be a rarity, not expected before a game is even released.

WRONG! EA bought the licence to the NFL because it was for sale. Get your facts straight. Had 2KSports the money to out bid EA, they would have.

# 328 Bellsprout @ 11/13/09 09:33 PM

How did this turn into a 2k vs EA thing?

Back on topic:
In the last 2 weeks i've purchased NBA 2k10, Modern Warfare 2, and Ghostbusters. I officially don't care if the patch ever comes out. EA bungled this bad, and I think a lot of people have moved on like I have. And the further this carries into the holiday gaming season, the more great games that will be released. Example: this Tuesday NCAA Basketball and Tony Hawk Ride come out. 2 more huge titles that will take people away from Madden.

Granted, they probably don't care. They already have my money, but it's still taking too long.

# 329 BroMontana82 @ 11/13/09 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WeAreAllWitnesses


	In the last 2 weeks i've purchased NBA 2k10, Modern Warfare 2, and Ghostbusters. I officially don't care if the patch ever comes out. EA bungled this bad, and I think a lot of people have moved on like I have. And the further this carries into the holiday gaming season, the more great games that will be released.

bingo

# 330 ForeverYoung @ 11/14/09 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by J.R. Locke


	Not to cause trouble but EA has in the past walked away from announcements. The life its PC brand of games was announced "a new future" then summarily forgotten about. NBA Live was basically cancelled one year after they said they were still working on it. Anyways i am quite skeptical about this game. The silence is indeed frightening considering how open and direct the developers were this time last year. It is a shame. I enjoy Madden 10. The broadcast view added a lot for me. I was hoping patch 2 would take it over the top.

So you're thinking that patch #2 won't be released at all?
It wouldn't surprise me after what happened to the (in)famous free Sim DLC for Madden 09 last year.

# 331 RumbleCard @ 11/14/09 10:11 AM

I'm not trying to misrepresent what he said or put words in his mouth but if you read the last line of his quote I get the impression that the patch hasn't actually been submitted for approval yet. Basically I'm left with the notion that they're still working on it and we aren't in the MS/Sony approval phase like mentioned time and time again in this thread. With that said, and if true, I bet the time frame is more along the lines of a few weeks to a month vs. any day now.

Just an opinion based on what I read. Not saying that's what he implied.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-forums-3.html

Here is what Ian said.

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	There's no 'possibly' to it. lol. It sucks that we've been quiet, and I know there are folks here that are restless and also getting more and more negative, but there's not much I can do really. The 2nd title update has taken a long time to finish, and there were a bunch more hiccups in the road that we didn't expect. Larry and I created a blog showing what was approved and guaranteed to be in the patch, but as you all know I won't promise anything else until I'm 100% sure it's going in so I don't end up getting roasted (at least worse than I already do). As Valdarez said, we are working on re-tooling how we will be communicating, and unfortunately it will not be daily direct interaction here on OS. As much as I loved many aspects of the interaction, it also got way too personal so there needs to be a better way to pull this stuff off that doesn't drive every employee that steps into the community into a depression. For every thread where I might have gotten great feedback on what to improve, there was some other guy making youtube videos about how he thinks I am a liar and posting them in the same thread. That type of s--t can ruin your night or even your weekend. So why put up with that if we don't have to? Some ideas we've had so far include invite-only forums, polls, regular live chats, regular podcasts/radio show type of things, and many other ways to try and take all the lessons that we learned from the 10 cycle and fine-tune it to remove all the bad stuff for 11. You will hear from us as soon as the information is locked in. Until then, I can't help much more than that.

# 332 BroMontana82 @ 11/14/09 10:27 AM

either way, whatever. i enjoy madden but can't really play a true franchise based on robo-QB and the stats. i'm not selling it though and am patiently waiting. im the meantime, i'm playing nba 2k10 and COD so it's all good for me.

# 333 ComfortablyLomb @ 11/14/09 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorBait06NC


	LMAO, are you serious. I bought a game in August. I played 5 seasons in my first franchise. Then they release the first patch. This first patch alters the gameplay in the wrong way by making the runners stutter while running. And is a complete failure in fixing simmed stats for the CPU. Then this 2nd patch is suppose to fix all this. So basically youre are making excuses for EA. I dont care what the development cycle is. Bottom line is that EA chooses to make an NFL game every year. Why? Money. So if you are going to do it your way, then dont half-*** it. Otherwise release a game every other year. I have a bigger problem with NCAA. NCAA 10 is junk. Madden is a good game, but im starting to see these patches affect the game in a bad way compared to how the game came out of the box. But i spend countless hours playing 5 seasons in franchise, only to watch a patch alter gameplay that forces me to come up with a whole new set of sliders. And if it had fixed the sim stats, what sane person wouldnt have wanted to start over with better gameplay and simmed stats??? My line were going down in overall every year due to the pancake stat being screwed. Bad thing is that the first patch actually made the game worse. Im all for presentation. But atleast go about it the right way. Take notes from the NCAA 10 basketball team and kill the repetitive halftime show. You may need to go look at the definition for obsessive compulsive.

I'm not making excuses for EA. I absolutely agree that in a perfect world sports games would get a long development cycle and come out every other year. Unfortunately, we don't live in that fantasy world and the gaming industry simply isn't going to change for the obvious reason: money. Either accept the reality that we'll get rushed products with varying degrees of flaws every year like has been the case for the last two decades worth or sporting games or don't. However you feel about it isn't going to change how it is anytime in the foreseeable future and arguing about how it should be is purely worthless and aggitating activity.

Now there can either be a patch to address the rushed product or not. It's very simple for the consumer: either these companies fix their rushed products or they don't. It's one or the other for Madden and certainly I would prefer they fix it. It looks like they're doing so too which is great news for me and anyone who possesses some degree of patience! The alternatives to downloading patches at the moment are that you can play the game that shipped and not patch it or not buy it in the first place. This is all very, very simple. Regarding the timeframe, well it sounds like you want it both ways and that's probably asking too much. You want the game patched both quickly and without creating other problems because the patch is rushed? Good luck with that!

It also sounds like you started your franchise and are upset because (assuming the patch can be applied to existing franchises) you're going to have some unsightly statistical numbers in its history so you're going to have to choose between accepting that they're there or restarting. I can understand why you're upset but it sounds to me based on your original post like because of the need to rectify the "funny" numbers you'd rather there be no patch at all. I'm just calling it like I see it but as someone who would like to see the product I purchased improved by the manufacturer I take major issue with your position.

# 334 ForeverYoung @ 11/14/09 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleCard


	I'm not trying to misrepresent what he said or put words in his mouth but if you read the last line of his quote I get the impression that the patch hasn't actually been submitted for approval yet. Basically I'm left with the notion that they're still working on it and we aren't in the MS/Sony approval phase like mentioned time and time again in this thread. With that said, and if true, I bet the time frame is more along the lines of a few weeks to a month vs. any day now. Just an opinion based on what I read. Not saying that's what he implied. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-forums-3.html Here is what Ian said.

I think this statement by Ian makes it pretty clear that the patch is still not submitted:
"Larry and I created a blog showing what was approved and guaranteed to be in the patch, but as you all know I won't promise anything else until I'm 100% sure it's going in so I don't end up getting roasted (at least worse than I already do)."

He also stated that it took a long time to finish the 2nd patch, so the patch itself seems to be finished but it looks like it's in internal EA testing and if some issues are found the respective fix will be removed from the patch.

# 335 Jm0ney2001 @ 11/14/09 01:35 PM

Well pastapadre posted that the patch was in ms/sonys hands a couple of weeks ago. And we would see the madden patch in the 1st half of nov.

# 336 RumbleCard @ 11/14/09 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jm0ney2001


	Well pastapadre posted that the patch was in ms/sonys hands a couple of weeks ago. And we would see the madden patch in the 1st half of nov.

Well thats what we've all pretty much gone off of but Ian statements seem to somewhat conflict with that. Wouldn't he have said that its in Sony/MS testing?

I doubt Sony/MS sent it back asking things to be fixed because its not their job to actually test whether the patch fixed anything or not they just test it to make sure it won't cause any hardware damage and/or to see if there are things that might not jive with, what is it called ESRB, rating system.

# 337 Chiefsfan881129 @ 11/14/09 02:40 PM

According to the mod natureboy2323 at the ea fourms he said that as far as he knows the patch has been submitted that they are waiting for approval from sony and microsoft and if ian ls right about us getting the patch ln the 1st half of november then my guess is we will get it this week coming up based on ian timeline if it does not come this week then it was not submitted there for i doubt we get it before thanksgiving so this week should tell us all we need to know i hope this is the week thanks

# 338 matt2053 @ 11/14/09 03:05 PM

Punctuation is your friend.

# 339 ForeverYoung @ 11/14/09 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	If it doesn't come out before thanksgiving, I think its pretty safe to say it flunked MS's or Sony's cert process, or both's. I think that may have happened already anyway. I think they had finished it around the time of the blog (10/16) but probably had to go back to the drawing board with it.

Don't forget that Madden Arcade will be released in the week of thanksgiving. It doesn't make sense for EA to release the patch now.

Maybe it will be delayed till the 2nd DLC will be released? Like patch #1 was delayed so that it was released on the same day as DLC #1?

See how Jeremy Strauser is pumped up because of Madden Arcade:
http://twitter.com/Jeremy_Strauser

# 340 matt8204 @ 11/14/09 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverYoung


	Don't forget that Madden Arcade will be released in the week of thanksgiving. It doesn't make sense for EA to release the patch now. Maybe it will be delayed till the 2nd DLC will be released? Like patch #1 was delayed so that it was released on the same day as DLC #1? See how Jeremy Strauser is pumped up because of Madden Arcade: http://twitter.com/Jeremy_Strauser

Ahh! I know there's a big market for arcade-type games, but as a sim freak, it bugs me to no end that EA spent time making this game when those resources could have been put towards fixing Madden's problems. Oh, well.

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