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Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

09:32 PM - October 16, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

Check out the Madden NFL 10 blog, which talks about the preliminary details of the 2nd title update.

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	"In this second title update we focused on some of the more debated topics from our loyal and passionate fan base. We appreciate all the feedback so please keep it coming! In this update you will be happy to hear that we have tuned our Flat Zone assignments to cover the flats more effectively. Defenders will not chuck a WR if another receiver is running a route towards their zone. This will help the defender be in better position to react to a quickly throw flat route and allow him to make a play. The flat zone defenders will also play the ball better if a pass is thrown behind the line of scrimmage as well as taking better pursuit angles after the catch to prevent the ball carrier from being able to get around the corner. This has been one of the top complaints that we have heard about and realized it was definitely something that we needed to address."

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# 301 ForeverYoung @ 11/12/09 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by STLRams


	When did EA submit this patch, I thought it was about a month ago? The reason I ask is, I thought NBA Live10 and NBA 2K10 submittedd there patches after the 2nd Madden10 patch, but both of those patches have already been approved? What happend to Madden10?

I did not read any official announcement. Ian made a cryptic remark on Twitter, which some interpreted as "the patch has been submitted".

# 302 roadman @ 11/12/09 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverYoung


	I did not read any official announcement. Ian made a cryptic remark on Twitter, which some interpreted as "the patch has been submitted".

And Pasta made a remark last week that it was in the hands of MS/Sony. If it was just week, then there is another 1-2 weeks of waiting.

# 303 JkA3 @ 11/12/09 04:39 PM

I sure hope we can get this soon. It's been so long.

# 304 roadman @ 11/12/09 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	Wow...I didn't realize that the EA blog on the preliminary patch details was posted all the way back on October 16. http://insideblog.easports.com/pages...y-details.aspx Re-reading it just now, I saw at the end where it's stated: "We�ve also focused on some other important, non-gameplay related fixes as well including Uniforms, Franchise Stat tuning, Presentation, Online, Replays, and Scriptable Cut Scenes. I'll fill in the rest of the details in these areas as soon as they are finalized." I wonder whatever happened to the "filling in the rest of the details . . . as soon as they are finalized." Surely, if this was posted on 10/16, they've been finalized by now. So much for that, I guess.

Finalized means when MS/Sony have certified the patch. They won't release patch details until the patch is certified. Ian has already stated some time ago that the patch details won't be public until the patch is certified.

Replay you can guarantee that the 360 will now play out the whole replay.(I hope)

# 305 DrUrsus @ 11/12/09 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mm boost


	But it will change somethings. They give a list of all the things they fixed, and it will settle down alot of people cause we still do not know "exactly" what they fixed, everything now is people guessing and throwing out ideas and so many people are on the verge of not playing the game or purchasing the game again. Alot of people are waiting to start their franchise, and them not knowing what is being fixed could cause a problem too, cause they could be waiting around for something that didn't even make the list, and they had been wasting the past few weeks just playing exhibition games just for false hope that the patch fixed the problem areas. I, myself, am enjoying the game regardless. Sliders adjustments and hardcore gameplay, and the game is playing near perfect, aside from stat problems and the bengals/bears overlays. I am on week 17 of my season, and soon as this season ends, the patch should be out, so its good timing for me. That and I just graduated my first draft class on NCAA 10, so I will start a new one with the new draft class uploaded, updated rosters, and the patch.

This is probably a dumb question, but what is the difference between advanced gameplay and hardcore. I thought it was just the way the menu worked. Am I wrong?

# 306 DrUrsus @ 11/12/09 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by johnprestonevans


	I havent had any urge to play Madden until this patch comes out. The magnetic persuit angles, unrealistic broken gang tackles, impossible to get any pressure pass rush and atrocious run blocking are killing this year's experience -not only for me, but 2 of my friends that I convinced to buy this game. Yes I know that slider mods help alleviate some of the problems, but we cant use them online and this is ruining the Online League we're playing. The 2 guys are very close to trading in their copies and "never buying another Madden game again". - Their words, not mine. I on the other hand want to see how this patch will fix this broken and sometimes frustrating game. I hope it comes soon. This is getting rediculous. We are halfway through the NFL season already.

Why doesn't EA and other companies allow sliders for online play? It could just be for friends or people that agree on a slider set and not for rankings or competitions. It could be considered "casual" online play so to speak or whatever. I don't play online partly for that reason (no slider tweaks).

(My daughter wanted these smiley faces, lol).

# 307 DrUrsus @ 11/12/09 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JkA3


	I sure hope we can get this soon. It's been so long.

Yes, I'm chomping at the bit for this patch too.

# 308 steelernation28 @ 11/12/09 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnprestonevans


	I havent had any urge to play Madden until this patch comes out. The magnetic persuit angles, unrealistic broken gang tackles, impossible to get any pressure pass rush and atrocious run blocking are killing this year's experience -not only for me, but 2 of my friends that I convinced to buy this game. Yes I know that slider mods help alleviate some of the problems, but we cant use them online and this is ruining the Online League we're playing. The 2 guys are very close to trading in their copies and "never buying another Madden game again". - Their words, not mine. I on the other hand want to see how this patch will fix this broken and sometimes frustrating game. I hope it comes soon. This is getting rediculous. We are halfway through the NFL season already.

I'm sorry but this game is far from broken. Ever played Lair? Thats a broken game. Ever played QB Club for the N64? Lets gets some perspective people.

# 309 grismosw @ 11/13/09 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by steelernation28


	I'm sorry but this game is far from broken. Ever played Lair? Thats a broken game. Ever played QB Club for the N64? Lets gets some perspective people.

Yes, lets compare this game to a game that came out over 10 years ago and if IRC was only released once.

# 310 R.Moncrief @ 11/13/09 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by grismosw


	Yes, lets compare this game to a game that came out over 10 years ago and if IRC was only released once.

You talking about Quarterback Club? There were, like, 5 releases to that series. I think there was one out every year between 1998-2002.

OH AND BY THE WAY

Yea, it's true. This thread was started by Ian Cummings on October 16th, 2009. It HAS NOT even been a month yet and look at all the insanity that has gone on in these 22 (for now..) pages. I don't know how any of you do it without feeling somewhat out of your minds. All these posts and is the patch out? No. Has any further details been released? No. Gotta feel a little silly, huh?

Oh and before I get a verbal warning, note that I am not trying to bait anyone into an argument. I don't care to start one, I won't be browsing this forum enough to continue one, and with how illogical the internet is, I won't be able to properly end one. It's just extremely funny to me to see how out of hand it can get on the internet. It's like I'm the only one waiting for Splinter Cell Conviction to come out. That game has been delayed, what? Two maybe three years? Can anyone here handle something like that? Can't even wait out 27 days..

# 311 R.Moncrief @ 11/13/09 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by grunt


	The worst customers are the one that are unhappy and just go away. We are still here. I think we got a little spoiled by Ian posting blow by blow in the last development cycle and I would rather him grind out this patch so we will have a more enjoyable game.

I understand the point you are trying to get across but, in the end, that's subjective. In my opinion, the worst time consumers are the folks who stick around on message boards and constantly whine about a game/patch every day as though their desperate calls for improvement are being heard. Yes, the developers take into account what the public wants to see in their games but, you must agree, a lot of what is done here on OS and various boards around the internet is overkill.

I've been here before. For the Grand Theft Auto series I would be on GTAForums.com (a forum website that the Rockstar dev. team never forgets to appreciate in their game credits) day in and day out racking up post after post talking about the games, especially during the suspenful months before release. And you know what? I racked up well over 5,000 posts on that board. And one day, I decided to look back on myself and I saw someone who was definitely excited for the game but at the same time, I saw how much time I wasted discussing some ridiculous things. Eventually, when it came time to hype GTA4, I ceased to join in on the hype threads. And for that reason, I enjoyed that game a whole lot more. Patience is key to anything in life, not just video games. Some of us here are in college, and I'm sure can't wait to grab that degree and be done with the whole thing, but it's at least a 2-4 year road and patience is the greatest route to take.

All I'm saying is that many members here appear extremely impatient and childish. Many of them are warned, and ultimately banned, by the moderating staff. Why? Not because they're being censored. Not because any of us have lost the right to freedom of expression. Because sometimes it's downright annoying, and once again, childish.

Cummings released Patch 2 info on October 16th. It is now November 13th. Not even a month. About 20 of the 23 pages in this thread are a waste of time. The increasing demand will not force EA's hand (or Microsoft/Sony) to release the patch sooner. They will release it when they release it. That's the bottom line. They will follow protocol, submit the patch for approval, and we will all get the patch when it's time.

I didn't expect and I still wouldn't expect the patch 'til around Thanksgiving, when the Madden arcade game is released. These companies like to release things around the same time, right? So once December 1st hits, that's when people should START to get antsy.

Not friggin October 20th when the information was released October 16th and everyone's saying "omg where's the patch?", "I need the patch!", "C'mon EA hurry your asses up!"

Browsing OS has to be fun for guys like me too. And having to sift through this crap day in and day out isn't very fun. And the goal of the staff here is to limit people like me from having to sift through the mindless rants. And for that, I commend them. Modding a forum is easy work, I've done that in the past too, but it can become so unbelievably taxing on the mind to deal with the same stuff over and over again.

This is not my first post on the matter. I urge everyone once again to be patient. Hell, the dev. team should come on here and tell everyone to be patient. Maybe many of you would listen then, only to likely curse their arrival a day later when the patience runs up.

# 312 ComfortablyLomb @ 11/13/09 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorBait06NC


	I see where your post is coming from, BUT... The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

I disagree. If gameplay can be upgraded with a patch and the company is willing to put the time and effort into upgrading it I don't see why the improvement should be withheld from the buying public. It's obvious you would rather have nothing than something for some reason.

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	Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

You're basically saying that gameplay shouldn't be addressed by a patch because diehard gamers are an obsessive-compulsive group. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't but refusing to improve the product because of some group's neurosis is it's own insanity.

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	Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

As has been said many, many times on the many forums of this website: sports games really require a development cycle longer than one year. Unfortunately, that isn't how the sports game industry works and I don't foresee a change on the horizon. A lot of bugged out console games of the past could have been fixed by patches but the ability wasn't there and now we have this incredible technology that allows for problems to be corrected on the consoles and you don't want to use it. What you want is what I want, games that ship in perfect working order, but it's not necessarily realistic and if you're going to forgo repairs after shipment because you're angry the video game world isn't the utopia you envision I think you've lost sight of reality.

# 313 roadman @ 11/13/09 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorBait06NC


	I see where your post is coming from, BUT... The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that. Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions. Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day. No pity for EA. If they worried about gameplay to begin with instead of bogus gimmick features, then titles like NCAA Football wouldnt have went straight into the trash this year.

I see what your saying, but I've waited a long time for other sports games patches, like 2k baseball and 2k basketball last year.

I paid full price minus some trade in. I'm entitled to fix certain areas of gameplay that is not providing me with a realistic experience.

I would rather have a good working patch that fixed a lot of the elements of the game instead of a patch that was rushed and broke other elements of the game.

You are fighting an uphill battle with sports games that are released on a yearly basis. There isn't a sports game I don't own that hasn't had two patches or two title updates.

There is no pity for EA, but there isn't pity for any other gaming company out there, either.

# 314 RGiles36 @ 11/13/09 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kpkpkp


	And the fact that everyone here wants to patch so bad is a testament to the fact that Madden10 is a decent game. If this game just plain stunk, no would care about patching or rosterupdates. It would already be forgotten.

These are interesting points and I mentioned something similar a few days ago. A 'patch' is not going to fully repair this game if you down-right hate it. But the way people moan and whine about it...

# 315 roadman @ 11/13/09 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by adam45h


	EA bought out the right to exclusively make NFL video games when the competition really started to catch up to them, rather than simply try to improve their own product. They brought this upon themselves. With that said, I love this game as is, a few patched improvements would be nice too. I feel I've gotten my moneys worth even. But Madden has been around for quite a while to still have gaping holes in gameplay. Simple as that, they need to get better at their jobs. The patching system wasn't designed to allow companies to release games earlier than they perhaps should, so f--- EA and 2K for turning it into that. A patch should be a rarity, not expected before a game is even released.

I agree with most of what you said, but it takes two to make a deal. The NFL offered the deal to everyone, so, the NFL is just as much at fault.

# 316 johnkorean @ 11/13/09 01:38 PM

It's truly astounding how many people honestly believe that the purpose of a business is to make consumers happy, rather than to make as much profit as they possibly can. Businesses make their consumers happy only to the extent that it will maximize profit.

If we lack the willpower to avoid buying games at midnight releases when we have absolutely no idea what the quality will be like, then that's on us, the consumers. The quickest way to force businesses into making consumers happy is to STOP GIVING THEM MONEY WHEN WE'RE UNHAPPY.

I hate analogies, but let's go with this one. Say your puppy takes a dump on the carpet. If you subsequently give your dog a treat, the puppy has no reason to think that taking a dump on the carpet is a bad idea. If, however, you want the puppy to stop taking a dump on your carpet, you should probably a. only give it treats when it takes a dump in the yard; b. whack it on the nose when it takes a dump on the carpet; or c. both.

According to many of you (personally, I love the game), Madden is a dump on the carpet. The sensible response, then, would be to whack EA on the nose. Where the analogy fails, however, is that unlike the single owner of a puppy, we as individuals don't exercise any control whatsoever over EA, and one person abstaining from buying the game won't make a difference in the world. The only real option is to start a grassroots effort to effect a massive boycott of the game.

However, this effort is reaching resistance because ultimately, the consumer base at large is composed of many different opinions and beliefs about what Madden's ultimate purpose is. Some think Madden should be a perfect simulation of the NFL; some think that there are certain features that are essential to be playable; some people think it should just be a fun way to satisfy a football fix; some think it should offer fun online interaction; some think it should offer a world where you can take your favorite team to the Super Bowl year after year, going 570-0 in franchise mode.

In sum, unfortunately, if you hate the game, it's probably not going to get to where you want it to be anytime soon, unless you can organize a massive boycott. But you can make a personal decision not to support EA, and you can make a personal decision not to spend $60 on a game that you feel doesn't meet your expectations and standards. Madden may be the only NFL game in town, but that's not the same as saying you have to play it. In the end, it's just a game. Play it or don't; buy it or don't. At least that's one decision you do have control over.

# 317 roadman @ 11/13/09 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by adam45h


	Yeah, you're absolutely right. But I can give the NFL a pass on that one, I'd much rather them worry about running the league we all love so much! Strangely enough, I just read an article on Deadspin.com that said that EA is being sued for this very reason. http://deadspin.com/5402687/makers-o...he-competition I really didn't mean to come off as angry as I did in that post earlier, but what Steeler99 just said is I think exactly what's bugging all of us. Knowing that our games are about to improve makes what we currently have seem a lot worse.

Why give anyone a pass, though? That's just like sweeping everything under the carpet and pretending the NFL doesn't exist. The NFL has deals with Nike exclusively and other companies. And yet they get a free pass, while we yell at EA and Nike. Doesn't make sense to me.

And your point about Steelers point is that all sports games I own have at least two patches and a few of those I've had to wait a long time to improve. Quite frankly, one of those games didn't improve one ounce from the game out of the box. So, EA is not the lone ranger in patches in one year cycled games taking awhile to come out. I'm just as anxious to start my franchise as everyone else, but I can wait for the patch.

And the trial you linked has been posted in the forums before. It's good to keep up, though, as to where it's at in the process.

# 318 kwpit79 @ 11/13/09 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler99


	I only wish they could figure out a way to implement patches in a way that didn't force us to restart franchises already in progress .... but maybe that's not possible?

Are you sure you have to restart a franchise for the patch to work? I have a franchise that I started back in August that now has the Broadcast angle. So how come that works but the other fixes wouldn't?

# 319 johnkorean @ 11/13/09 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kwpit79


	Are you sure you have to restart a franchise for the patch to work? I have a franchise that I started back in August that now has the Broadcast angle. So how come that works but the other fixes wouldn't?

The rumor is that Patch 2 won't apply to existing franchises.

# 320 tarantism @ 11/13/09 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by johnkorean


	The rumor is that Patch 2 won't apply to existing franchises.

Does that rumor have merit? I would hate to have to restart my 'chise.

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