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Madden NFL 10 Blog: The Importance of an Early Community Day (New Screenshot Included

05:59 PM - April 13, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

Check out the new Madden NFL 10 blog. This one features the importance of an early community day.

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	"On April 10, we flew in 8 of the most hardcore Madden fans for a marathon testing day to get an extremely early look at our Alpha build and provide feedback based on where the game is thus far. You may ask, �What is new about this? Haven�t you had community events in the past?� Yes, we have done these before, but there are some key differences."

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# 301 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	see this is what im talking about. No one even asked about the cheating. no one asked about the qb running 50 miles back. the bs kicking game, It seemed like they picked a group of guys who dont really know about x's and o's when it comes to football. Why wasnt the first question hey Ian why dont you go outside and run back 35 yards and chuck the ball 70 the other way. Or the question: how come in nfl fever people can make their own playbooks, why dont we see the same ole plays? see they picked a bunch of guys who dont really know football KANE699 said " I still enjoy 09 and think it's as fun a sports game" are you kidding me??? This goes to show you that EA picked some guys who didnt know x's and o when it comes to football "a fun sports game" Football should be a fun game it should be a sim game. So the qb cheat is a fun thing the wr cheat is a fun thing guys we need to ask these guys harder questions Ea wont bring in guys who know real football so for the guys who dont know much please ask better questions your telling me the the common issues are run blocking (what about the qb running back a million miles back or running right to the sideline??) i give you guys some props on the line play but come on. Ive gotta do a dear madden on this one lolol

First off to me 09 was a fun game in some aspects, yea it had some great flaws but it was still fun to some degree.

The icons dissapear first off if you go too far back and trust me when I say you won't be throwing accuracte passes off your back foot this year.

I never once cheated in a game, that was not fun to me. I never rolled back 20 yards to comeplete a pass, I never rolled out unless pressure dictated it. Ask the guys I played at community day, im a very sim player.

# 302 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 04:51 AM

Here is just an idea on how I play.

http://www.operationsports.com/KANE6...8-madden-ncaa/

The minute you find some bullsh*t in there, let me know.

# 303 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by totalownership


	Honestly man that was the one day you SHOULD have tried to pull out all the cheese in the book. You should have tried every piece of cheese known to man. That way the devs can see what needed to be fixed if anything needed to be fixed.

Plenty of other guys were doing this, its not in my nature so its hard for me to do.

LBzrule did a great job at doing what you said.

I think it's really important to find all the money plays and get them out or fix how the defense reacts (if its unrealistic) and now is the time to do this rather than after the game launches and then add on a patch. I think everyone there did this except me.

# 304 g2thecore @ 04/14/09 05:54 AM

Please Ian, next time just pick coach ruckus and his buddies so that they don't come in here mad at the guys again.

Thanks.

/sarcasm.

# 305 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by g2thecore


	Please Ian, next time just pick coach ruckus and his buddies so that they don't come in here mad at the guys again. Thanks. /sarcasm.

He makes madden videos on youtube bro, he is by far a more serious and important gamer than us, we're just fan boys, no big deal.

# 306 Dawkins#20 @ 04/14/09 06:12 AM

I don't know how people were aruging that madden had more control than 2k games. I'm not a 2k fanboy, i prefer 2k because so far they got it right in my eyes. I'm eager to see what '10 will do.

But if you break it down

WR - Main problem with madden is it didn't make a difference if you did try this, occasionally i switched to user catch and i would get warped animations. 2k actual meant you had to keep your guy in a position to catch the ball, also it allowed you to make up for thr QBs inaccuracy and jump infront of a CB to get to the ball.

OL/DL - Still miles ahead you can actually come off your blocks properly, and the stud players will dominate the scrubs.

The difference is that 2k carried a lot more momentum in the players which did mean that you couldn't cut on a dime. Linebackers aren't supposed to be able to get everywhere. Also on 2k i feel i have full control of the DB when i play. Using a safety in madden i just cant get the results because of animations and the way the CPU QBs play.

I just hope this year we see a realistic differential between players. I want the elite players to really stand out and take over a game, i know the ratings system has been changed so i'll see. But too often in 09 elite guys were playing the same as the average starters.

# 307 bonannogiovanni @ 04/14/09 06:45 AM

Question for TheWatcher,

Had the dev kits allowed it, would you have put your 2k5 disc in at the end of the night?

# 308 RGiles36 @ 04/14/09 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	Ea should of brought in 2k fans, backbreaker fans and guys who are not sure if they want to spend their money on the game not fan boys who think they put out a good game every year. the madden guys will always buy the game.

LMAO at this Coach Ruckus character!

I figured there would be A$$holes who automatically assume that they would've served the sim community better than we did. I'm not even going to bother going out of my way to validate our sim credentials. But one thing you should know before spouting off at the keyboard: The only football games I CURRENTLY OWN are 2K5 & APF 2K8 and I play 2K5 frequently. Ian & Phil certainly didn't invite any fanboys down there.

I hate to say it, but I guess that's jealousy rearing it's ugly head. I don't look down upon anyone just b/c we were the fortunate ones given the opportunity. But looking at it the other way around, certain characters (yes characters) are attacking us w/out any facts. Do your homework before you come with fists swinging.

# 309 TheWatcher @ 04/14/09 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Valdarez


	Hats off to the guy that brought the 2K5 game, though I believe it's gameplay was far surpassed by APF2K8. 2K5 does however, provide a really good example of how presentation should work, something Madden '09 still could not match up to roughly half a decade later.

Thanks. I just had to do it, lol. I would've never forgiven myself if I didn't.

Ian is right. I didn't pop in 2K5 once. And there is a good reason... I of course can't go into any specific detail, but I'll say that the gameplay feel in the build of Madden 10 I played was strong enough to keep my attention away from 2K5 and that's saying A LOT... and it was just an ALPHA so my anticipation for what the final is going to be is even higher now than before. I saw things in that build that if tuned just right in the final is going to make this game a monster and a serious relationship killer (i.e. you'll have to find a chick that likes playing Madden or watching you play it while you hog the controller, lol).

This game on the field is on the way up and it's undeniable, but what they do in this last two month stretch is VERY critical. It's a very delicate thread though; they're going to have to nail their majors strongly and make sure it's all air-tight and a lot of it is going to come down to how it's presented in the finished product.

Before I met them and talked to them face-to-face I might've been skeptical of them doing it, but after the fact I'm pretty much expecting that they will make it happen. I got a sense that they really are giving it their best shot. I've had interactions with other teams in other companies before and I didn't get that feeling at all, so this is a plus and it's currently translating positively to the game.

I don't expect perfection, but even on a game-winning drive you can throw some incompletions and still score and win the game... I just want this to be a win for everybody this year.

# 310 LBzrule @ 04/14/09 08:59 AM

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	see this is what im talking about. No one even asked about the cheating. no one asked about the qb running 50 miles back. the bs kicking game, It seemed like they picked a group of guys who dont really know about x's and o's when it comes to football. Why wasnt the first question hey Ian why dont you go outside and run back 35 yards and chuck the ball 70 the other way. Or the question: how come in nfl fever people can make their own playbooks, why dont we see the same ole plays? see they picked a bunch of guys who dont really know football KANE699 said " I still enjoy 09 and think it's as fun a sports game" are you kidding me??? This goes to show you that EA picked some guys who didnt know x's and o when it comes to football "a fun sports game" Football should be a fun game it should be a sim game. So the qb cheat is a fun thing the wr cheat is a fun thing guys we need to ask these guys harder questions Ea wont bring in guys who know real football so for the guys who dont know much please ask better questions your telling me the the common issues are run blocking (what about the qb running back a million miles back or running right to the sideline??) i give you guys some props on the line play but come on. Ive gotta do a dear madden on this one lolol

Coach, this is where I say something like this: I don't share your mindset or understanding here. We can disagree on the bold point and still be cool. But, and this is not to be arrogant or brag, but I'm not going to have you or anyone else come on here and tell me I don't know my **** X's and O's wise. You might know yours too. We might know different systems and have different perspectives, but you aint going to tell me what I do not know, and what I know other guys who went down there know. Could you have done a better job, who knows. But what you have in the blog are parts and snippets rather than the entire conversation and all the feedback. You are making a big "ruckus" and don't even have the entire conversation, nor the context.

Lastly, make a distinction between, what is implemented in a game; what can be implemented in a game; what is polished; what is still going to be worked on; and someone's football IQ.

# 311 achain @ 04/14/09 09:24 AM

Even though I'm relatively new to posting in this community and don't know all of the characters here; I can say that I think EA picked a good group of guys to go down. My only concern is that they were so enamoured with actually getting to see the game early that it may have clouded their judgement a little bit.

But then again, I'd probably be the same way. Just as long as they snapped out of it at some point (and judging by those review papers they each wrote, it looks like they did).

Did Ian speak of 2k5 at all down there? Like comparing a feature in this year's madden to 2k5?

# 312 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 09:24 AM

I'd also like to point out, I didn't just critique equipment while I was down there, there were plenty of gameplay and presentation points I had feedback on.

# 313 LBzrule @ 04/14/09 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatcher


	Thanks. I just had to do it, lol. I would've never forgiven myself if I didn't. Ian is right. I didn't pop in 2K5 once. And there is a good reason... I of course can't go into any specific detail, but I'll say that the gameplay feel in the build of Madden 10 I played was strong enough to keep my attention away from 2K5 and that's saying A LOT... and it was just an ALPHA so my anticipation for what the final is going to be is even higher now than before. I saw things in that build that if tuned just right in the final is going to make this game a monster and a serious relationship killer (i.e. you'll have to find a chick that likes playing Madden or watching you play it while you hog the controller, lol). This game on the field is on the way up and it's undeniable, but what they do in this last two month stretch is VERY critical. It's a very delicate thread though; they're going to have to nail their majors strongly and make sure it's all air-tight and a lot of it is going to come down to how it's presented in the finished product. Before I met them and talked to them face-to-face I might've been skeptical of them doing it, but after the fact I'm pretty much expecting that they will make it happen. I got a sense that they really are giving it their best shot. I've had interactions with other teams in other companies before and I didn't get that feeling at all, so this is a plus and it's currently translating positively to the game. I don't expect perfection, but even on a game-winning drive you can throw some incompletions and still score and win the game... I just want this to be a win for everybody this year.

+1 what they do in these next two months will be crucial. If they nail some things the game will be a potential blockbuster.

# 314 TheWatcher @ 04/14/09 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	valdarez just like the guys who went to EA and played 2010 most madden guys dont know football 101 your wasting your time dawg

You might be right about most guys, but you couldn't possibly be more dead wrong about the guys that came to play Madden 10. The X's and O's talked about there was at a very impressive level to say the least. I was just waiting for the telestrator to get wheeled in, lol. I certainly learned some new things.

I did play the game IRL, but I'm not as much of an X's and O's guy as a lot of the guys who showed up (but neither was Dan Marino, lol), but I can understand their explanations because I do understand the game enough to at least understand the language and dialect they're communicating. However, my area of "expertise" is for the history of the game of football, presentation, and animation outcomes and how they affect the overall picture/product (and I think those areas are quite valuable). And this allows me the ability to look at something be it a specific playcall, the way the play was called, when it was called, or the specific way a camera picked up a situation, and tell you what's wrong with it and what can be done to improve it, even if I'm not able to speak the exact technical jargon that was used to arrive at that point...

... In other words, if I understand what I'm seeing, and the person I'm talking to understands what I'm saying about what I'm seeing, then we can get things done and we certainly accomplished that at the event.

Everyone has a different part of this that they're best at, and I think EA did a great job with the selection process as I believe they covered all of their bases with their selections. They brought in strong X's and O's guys, strong presentation guys, and strong small detail guys. And if EA uses the feedback in the way that I know they will, you too will see in the final product why this was a great move.

# 315 Dawkins#20 @ 04/14/09 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	+1 what they do in these next two months will be crucial. If they nail some things the game will be a potential blockbuster.

I'll be eager to find out what these are, so if you guys could keep us posted as the blogs come about to whether things are being fixed that would be awesome.

# 316 ScoobySnax @ 04/14/09 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dawkins#20


	I'll be eager to find out what these are, so if you guys could keep us posted as the blogs come about to whether things are being fixed that would be awesome.

Absolutely, to the Community Day guys, as features are unveiled, could you guys talk about how the selection was made, what prompted certain suggestions etc. I think that would be pretty nice to see exactly how your feedback affected the outcome of the game.

# 317 LBzrule @ 04/14/09 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FadeEmAll


	This post right here is one of the realest posts I have seen on this site. This is really the only negative thing, if one perceives it as being negative at all, that can be said about those who went for the community day. Anything else is hating, and not of the good kind... When has Madden ever not been a blockbuster?

I'm not talking about blockbuster in terms of sales. I'm talking about blockbuster in terms of where this particular version of the game could situate itself in video game football history.

# 318 TheWatcher @ 04/14/09 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	insulting come on dawg lets be real. I dont care what they played im talking about asking real questions from a sim point of view! And if you think 09 was great with all the bugs and cheats that shows how much you know about real football.

LOL.

"Sim questions" are all we asked. WE'RE SIM GUYS!!! LOL.

Hell, I'm supposed to be "the presentation guy" and probably 90% of my time with Ian was spent discussing physics/collision and proper technique. Ian and I even got to the spot of pinpointing specific animations that need to be cut because they don't line up with "sim" and then we talked about a few replacements that would.

Coach, seriously, you just sound bitter that they didn't bring you down because so far you given no fair or logical basis for your tirade.

# 319 ScoobySnax @ 04/14/09 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatcher


	LOL. "Sim questions" are all we asked. WE'RE SIM GUYS!!! LOL. Hell, I'm supposed to be "the presentation guy" and probably 90% of my time with Ian was spent discussing physics/collision and proper technique. Ian and I even got to the spot of pinpointing specific animations that need to be cut because they don't line up with "sim" and then we talked about a few replacements that would. Coach, seriously, you just sound bitter that they didn't bring you down because so far you given no fair or logical basis for your tirade.

QFT! lol it's like he still can't believe he wasn't chosen. Community Day is over man. Life goes on.

# 320 KANE699 @ 04/14/09 09:48 AM

A tourney gamer calling us out on not being sim or knowing football.

Check out Mr. Ruckus here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyrNXY4g6fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3dvxYvdKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XyJuS7ovc

Greatest sim player ever eh?

FULL BACK DIVE COACH!!!!!!!!!

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