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DavidCorperial
08-14-2019, 09:48 PM
Oh, just an off the cuff comment for discussion.

If this goes well and everyone like the season I have been throwing around a couple other ideas for something similar.

Maybe picking random states (or groups of states) and players can only pick one player from that state (group of states) on their team. Was thinking countries but I don't know if that is possible.

Another idea that I had was finding coming up with the worst teams ever based on single season record and only players from those teams can be drafted (and only one from each team can be drafted on each player's team).

Just some food for thought.


Would definitely be interested in some more ideas for thses.

Vince, Pt. II
08-14-2019, 11:09 PM
Yeah, I would say that I get the feeling that when we get done, 18 games will have felt like not long enough. This has been a blast!

Vince, Pt. II
08-15-2019, 12:38 AM
Last list for the night: by MLB team:
St. Louis Cardinals 7
Boston Red Sox 6
Chicago Cubs 6
Cincinnati Reds 6
New York Yankees 6
Los Angeles Dodgers 5
Cleveland Indians 4
Philadelphia Phillies 4
Baltimore Orioles 3
Colorado Rockies 3
Detroit Tigers 3
Houston Astros 3
Kansas City Royals 3
Montreal Expos 3
Philadelphia A's 3
San Francisco Giants 3
Seattle Mariners 3
Toronto Blue Jays 3
Atlanta Braves 2
Brooklyn Dodgers 2
Minnesota Twins 2
New York Giants 2
New York Mets 2
Oakland A's 2
Pittsburgh Pirates 2
San Diego Padres 2
Texas Rangers 2
Anaheim Angels 1
Arizona Diamondbacks 1
Buffalo Bisons 1
Chicago White Sox 1
Cleveland Naps 1
Cleveland Spiders 1
Detroit Wolverines 1
Miami Marlins 1
Milwaukee Braves 1
Milwaukee Brewers 1
St. Louis Browns 1
Washington Nationals 1
Washington Senators 1

spleen1015
08-15-2019, 08:00 AM
So, a question about that. If a player for the Cleveland Naps was selected, how does it count?

The Cleveland Naps eventually became the Cleveland Indians. Are we counting this as the same team or two different teams?

Vince, Pt. II
08-15-2019, 08:06 AM
It was mentioned somewhere that if the name of the team changes, it's considered a different team. So Philadelphia A's and Oakland A's = same team, while Cleveland Naps and Cleveland Indians = different team, I would think.

cmgdodgers
08-15-2019, 08:08 AM
1910 Ed Walsh SP CHW

spleen1015
08-15-2019, 08:13 AM
It was mentioned somewhere that if the name of the team changes, it's considered a different team. So Philadelphia A's and Oakland A's = same team, while Cleveland Naps and Cleveland Indians = different team, I would think.

That's just weird to me then. I would consider a team moving cities more of a 'new' team than one that just changes their nickname.

yeah826
08-15-2019, 08:40 AM
2018 SP Jacob Degrom NYM

yeah826
08-15-2019, 08:41 AM
It was mentioned somewhere that if the name of the team changes, it's considered a different team. So Philadelphia A's and Oakland A's = same team, while Cleveland Naps and Cleveland Indians = different team, I would think.

I dont think so I believe it was mentioned that the Cleveland Naps and Indians would be considered the same team.

jbergey22
08-15-2019, 09:49 AM
We'll go with the approach of. If the name changed the team changed. So A's, Giants, Dodgers and Braves would meet those restrictions (off the top of my head).

This was the reponse. Might need clarification

I understood it like Vince. You can have 1 player from the combination of Philadelphia As/Oakland A's.

However the Washington Senators and Minnesota Twins you could take 1 from each team if you wanted.

jbergey22
08-15-2019, 11:38 AM
EF has my next couple of picks...... when im up

thehitcat
08-15-2019, 11:59 AM
Ted Simmons C St Louis Cardinals

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 12:46 PM
So, a question about that. If a player for the Cleveland Naps was selected, how does it count?

The Cleveland Naps eventually became the Cleveland Indians. Are we counting this as the same team or two different teams?

Same city would be same as same name. :)

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 12:48 PM
for jbergey22:

LF Ralph Kiner, Pitt 1949

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 12:53 PM
I'm thinking of doing 1 week of games at a time for simming. Either 2 or 3 times a week. Probably something along the lines of Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday.

spleen1015
08-15-2019, 01:09 PM
11.10 Zach Britton 2016 Orioles
12.1 Ed Delahanty 1895 Phillies

Ed Delahanty is one the more intriguing players in MLB history for me. He was kicked off a train for disorderly conduct while drunk. He eventually fell into the Niagra river and went over the falls. His body was found 2 weeks later. It is uncertain whether he jumped on purpose, fell in by accident or was pushed in.

ntndeacon
08-15-2019, 01:59 PM
I'm enjoying the heck outta following this!

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 04:23 PM
for jbergey22

C Thurmon Munson, NYY 1973

thehitcat
08-15-2019, 05:14 PM
CF Cesar Cedeno Houston Astros

Sorry in KC without my list until I get home on Sunday so I don’t have the years at hand. Will add them in when I get home on Sunday.

yeah826
08-15-2019, 06:31 PM
1981 Rollie Fingers Closer MIL

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 08:31 PM
Ted Simmons C St Louis Cardinals

SS Cesar Cedeno Houston Astros

Sorry in KC without my list until I get home on Sunday so I don’t have the years at hand. Will add them in when I get home on Sunday.

These picks will count but I won't ener them on the front page until I get the year.

Easier for me to keep track of as I enter them as I enter them in the game.

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 08:40 PM
I did put them in the draft list so others can see they were taken, just not on your team list yet.

EagleFan
08-15-2019, 08:50 PM
Updated through here but the two players without years aren't included in the rosters yet.

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Raiders
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Knights, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Steamers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Raiders, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers, Knights
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Knights, Cyberams
RP - Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Knights, Corn Kings, Dragons, Federals, Steamers
CL - Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Corn Kings, Dragons, Federals, Cyberams, Steamers

jbergey22
08-15-2019, 09:17 PM
Just looking at yeah's team. The left side of the infield is Brooks Robinson and Ozzie Smith. The left side of the diamond is a wall. Defense is probably the secret to winning this. Everyone should have great hitters and pitching which leaves defense the x factor.

With that said I still think Ozzie in the 3rd was a bit of a reach;) Real life Ozzie would be much more valuable than 100 defense game version of Ozzie.

Vince, Pt. II
08-16-2019, 01:38 AM
Man, his whole defense is pretty amazing outside of Bonds and DiMaggio.

My way too early power rankings, omitting my own team for bias reasons:

9. Stamford Cyberarms
Someone had to be last. There are a lot of incredible players here - I'm particularly fond of Yaz, Collins, and Al Rosen - but I feel like there are very few of the truly elite players, and Pud Galvin was (to me) a huge swing and a miss that early in the draft.

8. Baltimore Steamers
I love the idea of an all-defense team, but I think jbergey22 is right - I don't seem to remember defensive specialists being as valuable in OOTP as they are in real life, and despite some thump out of Bonds, DiMaggio, and some of the later round picks (Votto & Cabrera, particularly), I think the (very relative) lack of offensive depth is going to hurt.

7. Canton Raiders
I think Boggs was a little bit of a reach that early, and I don't really like Rod Carew as a 1B - as a 2B he's very good, but playing a corner position with that little power, I think you just give up too much, especially seeing someone like Pujols last as long as he did. That being said, A-Rod will go a long way to making up for that with his pop out of the SS slot, and Stan Musial was a steal in the 4th. I also really liked all of picks 7 through 11. 12 though...

6. Big Inning Corn Kings
It's really hard to rank these guys this low, but there are some absolutely stacked teams out there. Lou Gehrig is an incredible player, and his 1927 was insane. That being said, he plays maybe the deepest position in baseball; I mean pick the better line between these two: HR SB BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ dWAR
A 47 10 .373 .474 .765 1.240 220 -0.2
B 47 16 .327 .443 .658 1.101 189 +0.8
Clearly Gehrig is better...but is he 101 draft slots better? Similar story with Ty Cobb. Both bhlloy and I have lamented our early CF picks because of the depth of the position. That being said, I absolutely love tons of picks that tarcone has made. Mike Schmidt is for my money the best 3B out there, and the combination of Bob Gibson and Lefty Grove is probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best in the league thus far.

5. New York Knights
There's a lot to like here; Rogers Hornsby is absurdly good, and I loved the Mathewson, Ichiro, and Eckersley picks. That being said, while the team has some of the best hitters to ever play the game...there isn't a ton of thump in that lineup.

4. Otisburg Aquaracers
That pitching staff is killer. Then you add Henderson and Davis at the top of the order, with Guerrero, Harper, McCovey, Thome, and Soriano to back them up...what's not to like? Again, all these teams are just stacked with elite players, and I think that while that lineup is amazing, it's just not quite up to the lofty standards being set by the top three.

3. San Fernando Dragons
Another insane pitching staff, and this one goes three deep. Plus perhaps the best closer of all time coming out of the pen. My initial ding for bhlloy's team was going to be the lack of power, but with Walker and Pujols - who is the steal of the draft so far in my book - that problem is being solved in an absolute hurry.

2. Tallahassee Federals
Really, really enjoy the team Breeze has put together. Wagner and Morgan at the second turn were inspired picks, and I thought Foxx was a pretty great value in the 5th. This might be my favorite lineup of the bunch...unfortunately I think the pitching staff is the "weak" spot, keeping them out of the #1 slot, which goes to...

1. Indianapolis Clowns
To me, it's a toss-up between the Clowns and the Aquaracers for the best pitching staff, with the Corn Kings and Dragons just a hair behind (and the Dragons probably only so because of EagleFan's Positional Rankings lists which dislike Cy Young). Combine that with a formidable lineup with the Splendid Splinter, Big Mac, Piazza, Ott, Dawson, the Big Cat...and you have the makings of a very complete team. Britton blew me away when I looked him up - I remember his season being good, but an 803 ERA+?!!?

spleen1015
08-16-2019, 06:01 AM
Great write up Vince. Thanks!

yeah826
08-16-2019, 08:26 AM
Just looking at yeah's team. The left side of the infield is Brooks Robinson and Ozzie Smith. The left side of the diamond is a wall. Defense is probably the secret to winning this. Everyone should have great hitters and pitching which leaves defense the x factor.

With that said I still think Ozzie in the 3rd was a bit of a reach;) Real life Ozzie would be much more valuable than 100 defense game version of Ozzie.

Smith was definitely a reach in the 3rd but I felt that I really need a good defensive star at the shortstop and I had a feeling he definitely gonna get picked up sooner rather than later, and I didn't want to take that chance. Plus his dWAR stats were outrageous.

cmgdodgers
08-16-2019, 08:28 AM
1886 King Kelly C Cubs

Vince, Pt. II
08-16-2019, 08:41 AM
12.6 Scott Rolen - 3B - 2004 - St. Louis Cardinals

yeah826
08-16-2019, 08:50 AM
One thing I'm starting to wonder is if it's allowed to pick up Starting Pitchers to be our relievers or do we have to use relievers in the RP spots.

Also Vince great write up I do feel that with such a short season there will be a lot of players who will slump or boom through out the season. A good defensive line up guards against that especially since this is a league with tons of elite pitching I think the scores may be the difference between a good defense and base running.

I am also wondering though how are some teams gonna set up their batting order. With so much elite batting talent what strategies will teams try to go for for that extra advantage.

Vince, Pt. II
08-16-2019, 09:29 AM
Thanks guys, it was fun analyzing the teams. I think it's a great point about lineup construction...I made it a point to get two "top of the order" types in Raines and Gwynn (waited just one round too long for Rickey, damn it), but with all of the crazy talent is it even necessary?

And bench slots - with no injuries, how are people going to construct their bench? I mean, who in the world would ever pinch hit for 90% of the guys on our teams?

bhlloy
08-16-2019, 03:06 PM
Sorry guys, I’m insanely hungover and at the airport trying to get out of Vegas. Go ahead and skip me and I’ll catch up this evening. Sorry for the delay.

bhlloy
08-16-2019, 06:39 PM
Hey, so are the Cleveland Spiders considered a different team than the Cleveland Naps/Indians franchise? I'm a bit lost on the rules?

If so, then I'm going to take a risk and pick a guy who didn't play LF until later in his career, but I'm hoping I can slot either he or Larry there. If not, he's an incredible option for DH or a lefty off the bench I guess.

RF Shoeless Joe Jackson, 1912 Cleveland Naps

If I can't make this pick due to the Cleveland franchise rule, let me know and I'll change it

tarcone
08-16-2019, 07:59 PM
RP Dan Quisenberry 1983 Kansas City Royals

Fan Favorite

DavidCorperial
08-16-2019, 08:10 PM
12.9 - 1967 RP Ted Abernathy Cincinnati Reds

EagleFan
08-16-2019, 08:25 PM
1886 King Kelly C Cubs

He shows as RF on the main screen but is rated at catcher as well. Looks like he played a couple more games at RF than at C that year. Just an FYI.

EagleFan
08-16-2019, 08:40 PM
Hey, so are the Cleveland Spiders considered a different team than the Cleveland Naps/Indians franchise? I'm a bit lost on the rules?

If so, then I'm going to take a risk and pick a guy who didn't play LF until later in his career, but I'm hoping I can slot either he or Larry there. If not, he's an incredible option for DH or a lefty off the bench I guess.

RF Shoeless Joe Jackson, 1912 Cleveland Naps

If I can't make this pick due to the Cleveland franchise rule, let me know and I'll change it

I didn't anticipate the pre 1900 picks being so popular. I've been treating teams like the Spiders as their own "franchise" for those pre-1900 teams.

EagleFan
08-16-2019, 08:45 PM
Updated through here:

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Raiders
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Knights, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Wreckers, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Steamers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Raiders, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Knights, Cyberams
RP - Cyberams, Wreckers, Corn Kings, Clowns, Knights, Dragons, Federals, Steamers
CL - Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Corn Kings, Dragons, Federals, Cyberams, Steamers

Breeze
08-16-2019, 08:58 PM
Give me a minute...I’m not in front of my pc

tarcone
08-16-2019, 09:02 PM
Loved the wrote up. Looking at the draft and the seasons in play, this has to be razor thin across the board. I think management of your roster may have an affect.

tarcone
08-16-2019, 09:03 PM
And the Corn Kings are playing Launch Angle and Exit Velocity.

We are going to try and pound the crap out of you. Lots of HRs coming out of Big Inning.

Breeze
08-16-2019, 09:06 PM
12.10 - 1984 Willie Hernandez - RP
13.1 - 2018 Mookie Betts - RF

DavidCorperial
08-16-2019, 09:12 PM
13.2 - 1979 RP Jim Kern Texas Rangers

jbergey22
08-16-2019, 09:28 PM
7. Canton Raiders
I think Boggs was a little bit of a reach that early, and I don't really like Rod Carew as a 1B - as a 2B he's very good, but playing a corner position with that little power, I think you just give up too much, especially seeing someone like Pujols last as long as he did. That being said, A-Rod will go a long way to making up for that with his pop out of the SS slot, and Stan Musial was a steal in the 4th. I also really liked all of picks 7 through 11. 12 though...



Nice writeups. That plan of attack with Carew is to play second base or DH. Bagewell and his unbelievable 1994 season is likely going to be the 1b. Alomar was a much better right handed hitter so he will start against leftys and come in as a defensive replacement when Carew starts;) I kind of built my team according to how I would with a 162 game schedule with players being able to play multiple positions and having platoon advantages. Probably wont be as effective in a season like this.

I would have loved to have grabbed Pujols later however Stan Musial was using up my Cardinals spot.... You are right I regretted the Boggs pick. At the time it looked like a scarce position in which I wanted to not get stuck with a weaker player however I could have waited and ended up with a better value option....

jbergey22
08-16-2019, 09:35 PM
I know this was asked earlier about starting pitchers being relief pitchers. They seem to do just fine as relief pitchers in "perfect team". I believe I have read on the OOTP forums that they even get an uptick in ratings becoming a relief pitchers. I dont think I would eliminate that as an option.

I presume EF will give each team a 2 man starting pitching staff so the computer will bump everyone else to relief pitcher and use them as well as the game uses the other relief pitchers(not up to managerial standards but consistent with how the other relief pitchers are used) If you wanted the game to use Cy Young as a setup man the computer is perfectly capable of putting him in the role.

The biggest disappointment to me is how poorly the pre 1970 star pitchers seem to have ported in. 19 WAR seasons porting in under 3 stars and the GOAT porting in under 3 stars says enough with that.

cmgdodgers
08-16-2019, 10:20 PM
He shows as RF on the main screen but is rated at catcher as well. Looks like he played a couple more games at RF than at C that year. Just an FYI.

He’s eligible at catcher , can he play there?

tarcone
08-17-2019, 08:42 AM
13-3 1999 SS Omar Vizquel Cleveland Indians

EagleFan
08-17-2019, 10:58 AM
He’s eligible at catcher , can he play there?

Yes.

For the pitchers, if you want to put the starters in a relief spot they can be placed there.

bhlloy
08-17-2019, 11:02 AM
13.4 LF Luis Gonzalez, 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks

EagleFan
08-17-2019, 11:05 AM
Updated through here:

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Raiders
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Knights, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Wreckers, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Dragons, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Raiders, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Knights, Cyberams
RP - Cyberams, Wreckers, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Knights, Dragons, Steamers
CL - Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Corn Kings, Dragons, Federals, Cyberams, Steamers

EagleFan
08-17-2019, 11:05 AM
Okay, that was prior to bhlloy's pick. :)

EagleFan
08-17-2019, 11:10 AM
Updated the list after bhlloy's pick.

Vince, Pt. II
08-17-2019, 11:36 AM
13.5 Frank Thomas - 1B - 1994 - Chicago White Sox

cmgdodgers
08-17-2019, 11:38 AM
1998 Kevin Brown SP San Diego

yeah826
08-17-2019, 01:23 PM
1971 Vida Blue SP OAK

tarcone
08-17-2019, 02:18 PM
1971 Vida Blue SP OAK

Great season by Blue.

thehitcat
08-18-2019, 12:01 AM
Hanley Ramirez SS Florida Marlins

jbergey22
08-18-2019, 12:54 AM
Hack Wilson CF Chicago Cubs 1930

EagleFan
08-18-2019, 12:02 PM
Updated through here:

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Raiders
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Knights, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Wreckers, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Dragons, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Raiders, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Cyberams
RP - Cyberams, Wreckers, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Knights, Dragons, Steamers
CL - Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Corn Kings, Dragons, Federals, Cyberams, Steamers

spleen1015
08-18-2019, 01:56 PM
picking shortly

EDIT - 13.10 Carlos Delgado 2000 Blue Jays

EDIT2 - 14.1 Nolan Ryan 1973 Angels

Vince, Pt. II
08-18-2019, 02:12 PM
Was wondering when Nolan would come off the board.

jbergey22
08-18-2019, 04:10 PM
Mickey Cochrane C, Philadelphia As 1933

thehitcat
08-18-2019, 05:13 PM
Goose Gossage RP Pittsburgh Pirates 1977

thehitcat
08-18-2019, 05:15 PM
I’ll add years for Cedeno Simmons and HanRam tomorrow when I get back to work/home. Today has been the travel day from HELL:devil: and I’m still at O’Hare hoping my flight gets out tonight at some point.

Vince, Pt. II
08-18-2019, 05:49 PM
Goose Gossage RP Pittsburgh Pirates 1977

Blech. Nice pick.

bhlloy
08-18-2019, 06:14 PM
Blech. Nice pick.

Ditto. Honestly thought he was off the board already.

cmgdodgers
08-18-2019, 06:32 PM
1996 Gary Sheffield MIA

Vince, Pt. II
08-18-2019, 06:41 PM
Ditto. Honestly thought he was off the board already.

I was hoping to round out my bullpen with him. So close.

Vince, Pt. II
08-18-2019, 07:24 PM
Didn't even notice I was up; cooking dinner right now, I'll make my pick in a couple minutes.

Vince, Pt. II
08-18-2019, 10:53 PM
I think we skipped yeah826 with cmgdodgers's pick; I'll hold off until tomorrow morning to make my pick.

yeah826
08-18-2019, 11:01 PM
1991 Tom Glavine SP ATL

Vince, Pt. II
08-19-2019, 12:52 AM
14.6 Ben Zobrist - Util - 2009 - Tampa Bay Rays

Very unsure of this pick because I have no idea how useful it is going to be to have a utility guy on the roster in this type of format. That being said, he's like the ultimate utility guy and this was an 8.6 WAR season.

bhlloy
08-19-2019, 02:33 AM
14.7 Manny Machado, 2016 Baltimore Orioles

Not his best hitting season, but should qualify easily at SS and 3B, 2 positions where my current starters aren't quite as highly rated as I'd like. Following Vince's strategy above of getting a bit of a utility guy who could easily be better than what I already have.

thehitcat
08-19-2019, 02:28 PM
Ted Simmons C St. Louis Cardinals 1977

Cesar Cedeno CF Houston Astros 1973

Hanley Ramirez SS Florida Marlins 2007

Sorry for the delay. :)

tarcone
08-19-2019, 03:36 PM
14-8 Minnie Minosa OF Chicago White Sox 1954

DavidCorperial
08-19-2019, 03:48 PM
14.9 - 1964 CF Willie Davis Los Angeles Dodgers

Breeze
08-19-2019, 05:55 PM
Sorry for the delay guys, I've been running errands and cooking...

14.10 - 2004 Brad Lidge - Houston Astros
15.1 - 1975 Al Hrabosky - St Louis Cardinals

DavidCorperial
08-19-2019, 06:09 PM
15.2 - 1927 2B Frankie Frisch St. Louis Cardinals

EagleFan
08-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Updated through here:

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Raiders, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Aquaracers
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Knights, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Cyberams, Raiders, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Wreckers, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Aquaracers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Dragons, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Raiders, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Cyberams
RP - Federals, Cyberams, Wreckers, Corn Kings, Clowns, Knights, Dragons, Steamers
CL - Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Dragons, Cyberams, Steamers

tarcone
08-19-2019, 09:55 PM
15-3 1914 SS Rabbit Maranville Boston Braves

Doubt these guys play. So going with favorites.

bhlloy
08-19-2019, 11:44 PM
15.4 RP Tug McGraw, 1980 Philadelphia Phillies

Vince, Pt. II
08-20-2019, 12:36 AM
15.5 Blake Treinen - RP - 2018 - Oakland Athletics

Breeze
08-20-2019, 06:06 AM
Cesar Cedeno SS Houston Astros 1973



Not trying to be a jackass here, and it probably doesn't matter, but Cedeno was a CF not a SS. Thought I should say something in case you were counting on him playing at short.

thehitcat
08-20-2019, 07:27 AM
Not trying to be a jackass here, and it probably doesn't matter, but Cedeno was a CF not a SS. Thought I should say something in case you were counting on him playing at short.

Nope not a jackass that's my bad I keep putting him next to Hanley and doubling up on him as as SS. Anyway yes he's a CF. Thank you for clarifying.

cmgdodgers
08-20-2019, 08:55 AM
1961 Norm Cash Det

yeah826
08-20-2019, 09:18 AM
2018 Max Scherzer P WAS

thehitcat
08-20-2019, 09:40 AM
Fernando Rodney RP 2012 Tampa Bay Rays

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj6p5OE25HkAhUSTd8KHfIuAu8QjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgiphy.com%2Fexplore%2Ffernando-rodney&psig=AOvVaw2mFn2NMv2OAUyh2npO4jwP&ust=1566399509113357

jbergey22
08-20-2019, 06:48 PM
Craig Kimbrel, RP Atlanta Braves 2012

EagleFan
08-20-2019, 07:19 PM
Updated through here:

Current Positional Rankings
C - Clowns, Corn Kings, Raiders, Steamers, Wreckers, Federals, Cyberams, Dragons, Aquaracers
1B - Corn Kings, Raiders, Federals, Wreckers, Knights, Cyberams, Clowns, Dragons, Aquaracers, Steamers
2B - Knights, Federals, Corn Kings, Clowns, Dragons, Steamers, Cyberams, Raiders, Aquaracers
3B - Knights, Wreckers, Federals, Raiders, Cyberams, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Steamers, Dragons, Clowns
SS - Raiders, Knights, Federals, Wreckers, Dragons, Cyberams, Clowns, Corn Kings, Steamers, Aquaracers
LF - Clowns, Steamers, Aquaracers, Dragons, Cyberams, Federals, Raiders, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Knights
CF - Steamers, Wreckers, Knights, Dragons, Raiders, Federals, Corn Kings, Aquaracers, Cyberams
RF - Federals, Dragons, Raiders, Cyberams, Aquaracers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Wreckers, Steamers
SP - Aquaracers, Dragons, Steamers, Knights, Clowns, Corn Kings, Federals, Wreckers, Raiders, Cyberams
RP - Federals, Wreckers, Cyberams, Dragons, Corn Kings, Raiders, Clowns, Knights, Aquaracers, Steamers
CL - Raiders, Wreckers, Clowns, Knights, Aquaracers, Federals, Corn Kings, Dragons, Cyberams, Steamers

EagleFan
08-20-2019, 07:23 PM
Will do a different thread for the season.

Will post more of the details in that thread as the draft nears its end.

Contemplating finding a way to "live stream" a game if I can find a way to do so. Maybe something like a "game of the week".

Just ideas at the moment.

tarcone
08-20-2019, 07:28 PM
Cool. That would be awesome.

thehitcat
08-20-2019, 07:30 PM
That would be amazing!

spleen1015
08-21-2019, 05:38 AM
15.10 Paul Waner 1927 Pirates
16.1 Yogi Berra 1950 Yankees

thehitcat
08-21-2019, 07:24 AM
Great get to pick up Berra (and Waner) this late.

Vince, Pt. II
08-21-2019, 10:05 AM
Totally forgot about Waner, great pick. Also, stunned that Munson was picked over Berra.

jbergey22
08-21-2019, 07:37 PM
Totally forgot about Waner, great pick. Also, stunned that Munson was picked over Berra.

Defense. Most old time catchers have crap defensive ratings which kills your staff. Nothing more frustrating than poor defense. I wasnt trying to build a slow pitch softball team, lol. Im worried enough about my outfield defense right now.

jbergey22
08-21-2019, 07:39 PM
Aroldis Chapman RP 2014 Cincinnati Reds

thehitcat
08-21-2019, 07:53 PM
BJ Ryan RP Toronto Blue Jays 2006

yeah826
08-21-2019, 08:17 PM
1951 Roy Campanella Brooklyn Dodgers C

jbergey22
08-21-2019, 08:26 PM
1951 Roy Campanella Brooklyn Dodgers C

Nice pick. I had him on my radar long ago trying to decide between him and Duke Snider for my Dodgers pick.

yeah826
08-21-2019, 08:30 PM
Nice pick. I had him on my radar long ago trying to decide between him and Duke Snider for my Dodgers pick.


Yep I don't know how much benchs will be relevant but its good to have another option and he's one of the guys I wanted if I didn't get Pudge.

Vince, Pt. II
08-21-2019, 10:03 PM
Completely torn on my last picks. Do I want a LH slugger off the bench? A good defensive replacement type? A left handed (and third) starting pitcher / long reliever? Another bullpen arm?

I can't believe I don't have any Yankees yet.

cmgdodgers
08-21-2019, 11:34 PM
1996 John Smoltz ATL

Vince, Pt. II
08-22-2019, 12:28 AM
16.6 Chuck Knoblauch - 2B - 1996 - Minnesota Twins

bhlloy
08-22-2019, 07:44 AM
16.7 C Lance Parrish, 1982 Detroit Tigers

jbergey22
08-22-2019, 09:24 AM
16.6 Chuck Knoblauch - 2B - 1996 - Minnesota Twins

Well done!

He has a monster season that year and it was before he started sucking at defense.

Vince, Pt. II
08-22-2019, 12:53 PM
Well done!

He has a monster season that year and it was before he started sucking at defense.

Thanks; he's been my plan for a while now. Considered waiting until my last pick since everyone has 2B already, but figured I shouldn't tempt fate :)

EagleFan
08-22-2019, 06:12 PM
Updated through here.

EagleFan
08-22-2019, 06:14 PM
16.7 C Lance Parrish, 1982 Detroit Tigers

That bum!!! :banghead:

Sorry, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth how poorly he played with the Phillies.

tarcone
08-22-2019, 07:06 PM
1B Dave Magadan 1990 New York Mets.

I followed this guy forever. I had him in my minors for my roto team when he was in the minors.
Always thought he should have been better.

Breeze
08-23-2019, 08:13 AM
1B Dave Magadan 1990 New York Mets.

I followed this guy forever. I had him in my minors for my roto team when he was in the minors.
Always thought he should have been better.

Wasn't he the guy from University of Alabama that had a ridiculous batting average one year? I thought he was going to be a much stronger player in the major leagues...maybe not Boggs good, but maybe a Boggs lite type, and I use Boggs because I remembered him as a 3b for Alabama, but I'm old so I could be wrong.

DavidCorperial
08-23-2019, 09:48 AM
16.9 2012 C Buster Posey

Sorry, didn't realize it was my turn.

EagleFan
08-23-2019, 11:38 AM
Updated through here.

Breeze
08-23-2019, 12:10 PM
Federals Select

16.10 - Paul Goldschmidt - Diamondbacks - 2015
17.1 - Darin Erstad - Angels - 2000

DavidCorperial
08-23-2019, 12:41 PM
17.2 - 1884 P Old Hoss Radbourn Providence Grays

tarcone
08-23-2019, 03:10 PM
Wasn't he the guy from University of Alabama that had a ridiculous batting average one year? I thought he was going to be a much stronger player in the major leagues...maybe not Boggs good, but maybe a Boggs lite type, and I use Boggs because I remembered him as a 3b for Alabama, but I'm old so I could be wrong.

Yes. 1983 he batted .525.

That was the 1st i saw him.

What a hitter.

tarcone
08-23-2019, 03:17 PM
17-3 1983 C Tony Pena Pittsburgh Pirates

bhlloy
08-23-2019, 04:45 PM
17.4 Jonathan Papelbon, 2006 Boston Red Sox

EagleFan
08-23-2019, 07:30 PM
Updated through here.

Vince, Pt. II
08-24-2019, 01:09 AM
Sorry guys, unexpectedly went out of town for the day today and didn't have access to the internet. Picking shortly.

Vince, Pt. II
08-24-2019, 01:20 AM
17.5 Sam McDowell - SP - 1965 - Cleveland Indians

cmgdodgers
08-24-2019, 08:39 AM
17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

Vince, Pt. II
08-24-2019, 10:06 AM
17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

thehitcat drafted him last round, unfortunately.

EagleFan
08-24-2019, 11:04 AM
17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

Already drafted.

cmgdodgers
08-24-2019, 11:22 AM
17.6 Joe Nathan 2006 CL Min

yeah826
08-24-2019, 12:02 PM
2000 Nomar Garciaparra SS BOS

thehitcat
08-24-2019, 12:48 PM
Denny McLain SP (he'll be out of our Bullpen if we need a long man) Detroit Tigers 1968

jbergey22
08-24-2019, 12:51 PM
Francisco Rodriguez RP California Angels 2004

EagleFan
08-24-2019, 05:52 PM
Updated through here.

spleen1015
08-25-2019, 09:33 PM
17.10 Bobby Thigpen 1990 White Sox
18.1 Felix Hernandez 2010 Mariners

jbergey22
08-25-2019, 10:25 PM
Ken Caminiti 3B San Diego Padres 1996

thehitcat
08-26-2019, 07:04 AM
Harmon Killebrew 3B/1B Minnesota Twins 1969

yeah826
08-26-2019, 09:35 AM
Lance Berkman 2001 OF Houston Astros

cmgdodgers
08-26-2019, 09:40 AM
Sherry McGee 1910 LF PHI

Vince, Pt. II
08-26-2019, 04:46 PM
Sorry guys, was all set to pick Carlos Delgado only to realize I somehow missed him being picked several rounds ago. I should have something soon.

Vince, Pt. II
08-26-2019, 05:04 PM
18.6 Ron Guidry - SP - 1978 - New York Yankees

bhlloy
08-26-2019, 06:06 PM
18.7 CF Marquise Grissom, 1992 Montreal Expos

tarcone
08-26-2019, 07:59 PM
18-8 SS Dickie Thon 1983 Houston Astros

DavidCorperial
08-26-2019, 08:13 PM
18.9 - 1971 P Wilbur Wood Chicago White Sox

EagleFan
08-26-2019, 09:07 PM
Crazy day with work and my daughter's schedule. Going to vegetate for a bit and if I have time I'll update the draft tonight.

If not I will be on tomorrow to update it and start prepping for the season.

Breeze
08-27-2019, 05:55 AM
With the Final Pick in the draft the Federals take:

1991 Bryan Harvey - 1991 - Marlins

Vince, Pt. II
08-27-2019, 11:25 AM
Whew, done!

Rosters are basically locked now, correct? We are not adding/dropping players during the contest? I've been itching to discuss players who haven't been drafted for DAYS now, and I want to make sure I'm not being a jerk bringing them up now that the draft is over.

jbergey22
08-27-2019, 11:47 AM
Whew, done!

Rosters are basically locked now, correct? We are not adding/dropping players during the contest? I've been itching to discuss players who haven't been drafted for DAYS now, and I want to make sure I'm not being a jerk bringing them up now that the draft is over.

Rules
- 18 player roster
- No trades/free agents

bhlloy
08-27-2019, 01:20 PM
I think we're good to discuss away - my initial thought is I think there's definitely a recency bias with the way OOTP imports players, and I know the star ratings in EF's posts aren't the be all and end all (and because everyone is good, it's a little skewed) but still, feels like there are a lot of absolute all-timers who haven't graded out as well as borderline HOF guys from the modern era. Cobb and Cy Young are obvious ones, but you look at the fact that Johnny Bench is the second lowest rated catcher in the game when everyone had a starter, it's definitely a bit hit or miss.

As it affected strategy for my drafting, it became pretty obvious to me about halfway through that I just needed to load up on newer guys with decent power numbers, and ironically most of my guys drafted after the 7th round graded out higher than the guys I picked early. Shurg. Definitely adapting to it was a lot of the fun and I'm really interested to see the rosters and how players actually grade out in game... thanks for doing this EF!

jbergey22
08-27-2019, 01:57 PM
I think we're good to discuss away - my initial thought is I think there's definitely a recency bias with the way OOTP imports players, and I know the star ratings in EF's posts aren't the be all and end all (and because everyone is good, it's a little skewed) but still, feels like there are a lot of absolute all-timers who haven't graded out as well as borderline HOF guys from the modern era. Cobb and Cy Young are obvious ones, but you look at the fact that Johnny Bench is the second lowest rated catcher in the game when everyone had a starter, it's definitely a bit hit or miss.

As it affected strategy for my drafting, it became pretty obvious to me about halfway through that I just needed to load up on newer guys with decent power numbers, and ironically most of my guys drafted after the 7th round graded out higher than the guys I picked early. Shurg. Definitely adapting to it was a lot of the fun and I'm really interested to see the rosters and how players actually grade out in game... thanks for doing this EF!

Well said! I agree

1945 Hal Newhouser 1.81 ERA, 2.45 FIP and 11.3 WAR porting in badly is what changed my philosophy. In todays MLB world strikeouts, home runs, and defense is what matters.

thehitcat
08-27-2019, 02:31 PM
I'll also say that rather than game theory recency bias I tended to pick players I had actually seen play the game. It was a conscious choice for me, along with basing a number of my picks on my favored Power/Speed number for hitters, over players who would be considered all-timers. For example Eric the Red in Round 6 when Clemente, Matthewson and Robinson were all still on the board (to just name 3 of the next 5 picks :) )

Breeze
08-27-2019, 02:40 PM
Of course all these players are all rated on a single season, which removes the need for consistent greatness. There are a bunch of players who have had at least 1 great year, and that year can be as good as an all-time player's output. To get a better since of how great some of the all-timers are you'd need to take a composite of a peak set of years - say 7. Then you'd start to see some major gaps between good players and the historic ones.

Going to be real interested to see how this plays out...

bhlloy
08-27-2019, 03:46 PM
Of course all these players are all rated on a single season, which removes the need for consistent greatness. There are a bunch of players who have had at least 1 great year, and that year can be as good as an all-time player's output. To get a better since of how great some of the all-timers are you'd need to take a composite of a peak set of years - say 7. Then you'd start to see some major gaps between good players and the historic ones.

Going to be real interested to see how this plays out...

I'd already considered that though... Bench had the second highest WAR season ever for a catcher, Cy Young has multiple years inside the top 30 all time, all of my top 7 or 8 picks were inside the top 3 or 5 WAR single season by position (except Trout, who was a total homer pick). The single season aspect was literally how I was ranking my guys.

Once I saw how little EF's list were valuing those players, I just started picking modern era guys with inflated power numbers and that seems to work out much better. At least in terms of how the game values them... I guess we'll see what happens when the games start to get played, but I fear it's such a small sample size we really won't be able to figure too much out.

tarcone
08-27-2019, 03:49 PM
I went for great seasons. I would think a .400 plus batting average would translate well in any era.
I went back and forth. I picked Stanton and his 59 HRs. But I also took Rabbit Marranville. But for his defense. Not sure how it translated.

This was a great time. I did lose a little in rounds 15-18. Esp. since I knew those guys wouldnt play.

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 05:53 PM
With the Final Pick in the draft the Federals take:

1991 Bryan Harvey - 1991 - Marlins

1993? 1991 was Angels and you have an Angels player.

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 05:54 PM
93 seems very similar to 91 in terms of stats.

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 05:58 PM
We got so close. :)

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 05:59 PM
This evening I'll start putting together the main thead.

thehitcat
08-27-2019, 06:00 PM
Can't wait! :)

Breeze
08-27-2019, 06:14 PM
1993? 1991 was Angels and you have an Angels player.

My bad...Rob Nen - 2000

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 07:07 PM
No worries.

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 07:19 PM
Draft complete.

Vince, Pt. II
08-27-2019, 08:08 PM
My bad...Rob Nen - 2000

This was one of the guys I was floored never got drafted. Glad to see that has been corrected :)

EagleFan
08-27-2019, 08:13 PM
Added the season thread. The first "week's" schedule is listed. That will be Thursday evening. Please have your lineups in by 6 PM EST for those games.

Good luck to all.

The game of the week will be between New York and San Fernando. I'll post a separate thread for games of the week and "live post" them in those threads. Still trying to come up with a good system for posting the weeks in general (so I can get into a good pattern for any future leagues).

Vince, Pt. II
08-27-2019, 08:51 PM
So my philosophy during the draft was a combination of building a lineup I liked while trying to find relative value. I think I got a little too cute with some of my "clever" picks - Todd Helton comes to mind, as I mentioned during the draft - and generally think that I put far too high a value on players on less talent-rich teams. That being said, I am pretty content with the team I ended up with.

As I look at it, I'm happiest with: My bullpen. Was really hoping to sneak Eckersley in, but getting Gagne and Wagner for my righty and lefty out of the pen makes me really happy.
2nd base. I graded Hornsby, Morgan, and Collins as a huge step above everyone else, and when I missed out on all three I immediately moved 2B to the very bottom of my priority list. I had visions of snagging Robbie Alomar in the mid-to-late rounds, but jbergey got to him before I could, so I waited even longer. I had Bret Boone and Chuck Knoblauch as my two options, and opted for Knoblauch so I could have another leadoff-type hitter to slot in at #9 to turn the order back around.
3rd base. I wasn't really sure what to make of 3B for most of the draft; Mike Schmidt was to me the clear #1, but he ended up the third guy drafted at the position. EagleFan can testify that Schmidt was at the top of several lists I sent him, for multiple rounds...and I always ended up talking myself out of him when it finally came to my pick. I paid serious consideration to Brooks Robinson when we got to the 7th round...and then yeah took him in the 8th. I honestly was at a loss, until I started doing some research. I found Scott Rolen and Josh Donaldson, and loved both options. I was torn on Donaldson, because at the time I was still contemplating Robbie Alomar for 2nd base. In the end I went with Rolen, and I couldn't be happier. I'm honestly kind of disappointed to have forgotten about him; he was one of my favorite players when he was in his prime, as I was (and still am in beer league) a 3B myself.

What I'm not so thrilled about:
My starting pitching. I think I missed in exactly the wrong way; I didn't get in early enough to get the headliners (either of the Johnsons, Pedro, Maddux, Kourax, Gibson, Clemens), and I used some excellently valuable early-ish picks when I could have gotten similar pitchers with much later picks (Sale, Ryan, Glavine, Blue). I love terrific Tom and "Grover" Pete Alexander, but I don't think they are big enough advantages over some of the much later picked pitchers that they justify their draft slots.
Hank Aaron. Hard to be disappointed in someone as great as Hammerin' Hank...I mean, he's Hank effing Aaron. But he killed the Braves, which took a ton of great options off the table for me, and he's really just a power hitter. He wasn't the best defender, and even though I was able to get him in a 31 SB season I'm not sure how much value that is really going to get me. And as my 2nd round pick...I think the legacy and real-life cache of his name got to me.
My bench. I ended up going with a 3rd and 4th SP to round out my bullpen rather than flesh out my bench, so I only have two position players on the bench. While I loved getting The Big Hurt late and think he'll be an asset as power off the bench, I think Zobrist was probably me getting too cute again. I didn't end up getting a lefty masher (Willie Stargell was right there for the taking, too), and I also didn't get a backup catcher (Bill Dickey, I'm looking at you); so the only guy in the lineup I would realistically pinch hit for, Carlton Fisk, is the only option at Catcher, and therefore cannot be pinch hit for.
All in all, this was a blast, and I can't wait to see how the games play out!

Vince, Pt. II
08-27-2019, 09:03 PM
Here's a list of guys I'm surprised weren't drafted:

Willie Stargell
Albert Belle
Mickey Cochrane
Bill Dickey
Kirby Puckett
Hoyt Wilhelm
David Price
Curt Schilling
Dean Chance
John Olerud
Tim Keefe
Derek Jeter
Whitey Ford
Kenny Lofton
Jason Giambi

jbergey22
08-27-2019, 09:13 PM
Here's a list of guys I'm surprised weren't drafted:

Willie Stargell
Albert Belle
Mickey Cochrane
Bill Dickey
Kirby Puckett
Hoyt Wilhelm
David Price
Curt Schilling
Dean Chance
John Olerud
Tim Keefe
Derek Jeter
Whitey Ford
Kenny Lofton
Jason Giambi

Agree with a lot of them. Was preparing to take Belle but I already had an Indian player. Stargell was on my list in the mid rounds but I wasnt really feeling the pick so I kept passing. And Mickey Cochrane did get taken(he is on my team:)

bhlloy
08-27-2019, 10:16 PM
Jeter is a pretty insane oversight, but just a ton of great Yankees out there really make it tough to take a guy whose greatness is more longevity and consistency than a couple of insane season.

Vince, Pt. II
08-27-2019, 10:52 PM
Oh, perhaps my BIGGEST holy cow how wasn't he drafted: Jeff Kent.

2000: 33 HR, 12 SB, .334/.424/.596 at the 2B position.

Breeze
08-28-2019, 05:53 AM
Here's a list of guys I'm surprised weren't drafted:

Willie Stargell
Albert Belle
Mickey Cochrane
Bill Dickey
Kirby Puckett
Hoyt Wilhelm
David Price
Curt Schilling
Dean Chance
John Olerud
Tim Keefe
Derek Jeter
Whitey Ford
Kenny Lofton
Jason Giambi



I have a few to add to this list:

Elston Howard
Johnny Mize
Hank Greenberg
Charlie Gehringer
Arky Vaughan
Allen Trammell
Eddie Mathews
Home Run Baker
Hugh Duffy
Billy Hamilton
Al Simmons
Chuck Klein
Warren Spahn
David Cone
Juan Marichal
Fergie Jenkins

spleen1015
08-28-2019, 06:16 AM
Oh, perhaps my BIGGEST holy cow how wasn't he drafted: Jeff Kent.

2000: 33 HR, 12 SB, .334/.424/.596 at the 2B position.

I was looking at him. Can't remember why I didn't take him but there was a time where he was going to be one of my 2 picks when I was 3-4 picks away. Not sure what happened.

Vince, Pt. II
08-28-2019, 09:29 AM
I have a few to add to this list:

Elston Howard
Johnny Mize
Hank Greenberg
Charlie Gehringer
Arky Vaughan
Allen Trammell
Eddie Mathews
Home Run Baker
Hugh Duffy
Billy Hamilton
Al Simmons
Chuck Klein
Warren Spahn
David Cone
Juan Marichal
Fergie Jenkins

Most of these should be on my list too; Spahn, Marichal, Mize, Gehringer, and Vaughn especially. I took a long hard look at Baker, but wasn't sure his numbers would translate well.

Breeze
08-28-2019, 09:57 AM
Most of these should be on my list too; Spahn, Marichal, Mize, Gehringer, and Vaughn especially. I took a long hard look at Baker, but wasn't sure his numbers would translate well.

I was right ready to pick Eddie Mathews with the last pick, but I figured in this league configuration the extra bullpen arm would be more important.