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NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #4 - Playcall System

01:01 PM - September 2, 2011 by Steve_OS

Check out today's NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #4 from Gameplay Director, Rob Jones.

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# 141 coolcras7 @ 09/02/11 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	I made this argument as strongly as I could. The implementation of plays online happened after I left. It's not a let's just not allow them to do it situation. Or a simple" if they press this button they can allow it." It's not that they didn't understand the need.

Unfortunately people seem to think that putting something in a game is as easy typing a few keys, and if it is not in the game it means 2k got lazy, the fact is if it's not in the game it's probably because 2k could not get it to work the way it needed too, the game will still be great even if you can't save play books online.

# 142 secondcity t @ 09/02/11 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 23


	Calling a deep playcalling system useless unless you can save them online is a wild statement. Everybody doesnt care about online play, thats just the individuals world...just like the other kid who said they shouldnt add legends because it takes away from the game as if they have some kind of hidden tally no one else has when in fact, NBA 2K11 sold more copies than any other 2k game ever has because it included them I think people need to watch what kind of statements they make as if its law when its in fact not that at all Ill probably play 2k12 for the entire year without ever seeing any of you guys online and I'll still feel like it was a well spent 60 bucks

The reason why people are saying its useless is because spending 2:30 out of a 3:00 minute clock before every single game setting up and finding plays and coaching sliders becomes a pain. When I play Bad Company, my weapon loadout is the same as it was when I turned off my system. We just want the same for 2K12 and I don't believe its an unreasonable request.

The frustrating part, and it has been stated before, is that before 2K9 we were able to save our settings. I don't see the problem in wanting online to be more seamless considering the strides that 2K has made.

# 143 mreyes930 @ 09/02/11 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UnDefeatedEZ


	So in other words wat u r tryin to say is that we cant save playbooks again online??? Lol I hope this isnt true....

He's not saying that at all. He said he pushed for the idea but left before he could tell it was implemented.

# 144 Goffs @ 09/02/11 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mreyes930


	He's not saying that at all. He said he pushed for the idea but left before he could tell it was implemented.

This. It could be the that they are saving the news on the online insight so they got something to write about.

# 145 qnzballa5 @ 09/02/11 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by secondcity t


	The reason why people are saying its useless is because spending 2:30 out of a 3:00 minute clock before every single game setting up and finding plays and coaching sliders becomes a pain. When I play Bad Company, my weapon loadout is the same as it was when I turned off my system. We just want the same for 2K12 and I don't believe its an unreasonable request. The frustrating part, and it has been stated before, is that before 2K9 we were able to save our settings. I don't see the problem in wanting online to be more seamless considering the strides that 2K has made.

Couldn't have stated it any better then this.

# 146 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UnDefeatedEZ


	So in other words wat u r tryin to say is that we cant save playbooks again online??? Lol I hope this isnt true....

NO EZ i meant exactly what I said fam. I don't know. and I expressed the need. It's not a simple solution. That is what I meant.

# 147 shmitty @ 09/02/11 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rockchisler


	the more aggresive they are the more tired and fouls will happen..That would be a game changer..

Definite game changer, I would love for there to be more foul calls on the perimeter for over eager defenders. I would like to see more fouls and penalty free throws in the game anyway.

# 148 GSWarriors9 @ 09/02/11 06:26 PM

Great Insight but if we can't save plays online this feature won't be of use for me. I only play online so I will be highly disapointed if we can't. I refuse to continue to take alomost 3 mins to set plays every single game like i've done before. Saving plays online will make life so much easier and allow me to use these new features.

# 149 Eman5805 @ 09/02/11 06:27 PM

*foams at the mouth*
*panting*
*passes out*

# 150 GSWarriors9 @ 09/02/11 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	NO EZ i meant exactly what I said fam. I don't know. and I expressed the need. It's not a simple solution. That is what I meant.

But they atleast kno that we all really want playbooks to be saved for online so there is hope right?

# 151 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GSWarriors9


	But they atleast kno that we all really want playbooks to be saved for online so there is hope right?

There is definite hope. They didn't say hell no that's stupid... LOL I can't say anymore than that but last year you had to hope they even knew about it. This year at least I am telling you they know and they know it's important. If it isn't in then there is a reason. And that reason is not that they don't think it's important.

# 152 Vast @ 09/02/11 06:47 PM

Fantastic insight. Can't wait for this game.

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Originally Posted by GSWarriors9


	Great Insight but if we can't save plays online this feature won't be of use for me. I only play online so I will be highly disapointed if we can't. I refuse to continue to take alomost 3 mins to set plays every single game like i've done before. Saving plays online will make life so much easier and allow me to use these new features.

Whats wrong with using the tons of plays that are assigned to your players?? Theres no need to change your playbook unless you're playing in the Association and you've changed players and schemes. and even then you might not have to.

# 153 Control-X @ 09/02/11 06:50 PM

I have a feeling that this is going to be the best playcalling system for an NBA 2K game yet.

# 154 shmitty @ 09/02/11 06:52 PM

This is finally turning into a thinking man's game, I've been waiting for this day to come. The graphics are always improving and the control looks promising, but now it looks like "Bball IQ" is finally getting some attention. Oh happy day....

# 155 GSWarriors9 @ 09/02/11 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vast


	Fantastic insight. Can't wait for this game. Whats wrong with using the tons of plays that are assigned to your players?? Theres no need to change your playbook unless you're playing in the Association and you've changed players and schemes. and even then you might not have to.

Oh i will use the default plays in 2k12 if we can't save them ourselves. I used Golden State's default plays in 2k11 alot but the problem was there are only a few plays that are actually effective. Being able to make sure every single play is effective would make life so much easier online and fun as you can customize them to you liking.

# 156 aglenn1695 @ 09/02/11 07:07 PM

Wooooo!!!! Let's GO!! Now I'm Hyped

# 157 ggsimmonds @ 09/02/11 07:24 PM

My jaw was dropped as I read this. Excellent work 2K.

# 158 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jmo2278


	I understand where you are coming from as I was confused when I first read this too, but if you think outside the box a little bit you will see the brilliance in this. In most team sports things you do on one side of the ball will have an effect on the other. Take the heat for example; when they were at there best last year, it was when they were creating pressure with there defense to create fast break opportunities. Therefore you could say that they were set to def strategy: create pressure and off strategy: leak out. To counter this strategy you would need to slow the pace down, move the ball, take good shots, and crash the boards to neutralize the break. (ala the Dallas mavericks) The brilliance comes in because if you pick leak out, then you won't be able to pick another offensive strategy because the slot is taken. So theoretically you may struggle in half court sets if your opponent is making their shots. (ala Miami heat) Hopefuly this will lead to some great chess matches but I think it will be harder to stop dominant players if used correctly.(which is probably how it should be) I hardly ever post but this insight has me so excited I couldn't contain myself. All sports game developers need to stop and take note on what 2k has been doing for the past couple years. You dont need gimmicks or "features" to sell a game. Sports are good enough on their own, just make the game as true to the sport as possible and they will come. 2k clearly "gets it". Can't wait for 10-4

I really don't want to be sharing any ideas but I'm almost sure that if the "Leak Out" is more effective than the other strategies, the typical player will have the "Leak Out" set which will give him the advantage of starting a fast break and IF you somehow stop the fast break and they retain possession, they will simply switch from "Leak Out" to another option being that they still have the ball.

"slowING the pace down, movING the ball, takING good shots," as you said are all things you as the user have to do, it's not a strategy you can set. That's why I was pointing it out.

I am also assuming there are more fast break "OPPORTUNITIES" than half court sets with the "Leak Out" option. This is all an assumption being that I don't have the game, just an educated guess based on the information provide.

# 159 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thugnificant


	but notice no defense counter to "leak out" this will be the new cheese move in 2k12. full court passes to leaking players being called "fast breaks"

Exactly what I've been trying to state. "Leak Out" MAY work, but it MIGHT lead to abuse...all the other strategies seem like they can be stopped in a balanced way except for that one...just my two cents.

# 160 BDM313 @ 09/02/11 07:49 PM

Tears......Cant wait

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