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FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

01:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

Interview with Berens on the OS Radio Show on BlogTalkRadio

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# 1401 charter04 @ 08/03/14 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo80


	Nah man its just smug. Its like saying I hear your question, wont address it, but instead ill tell you to just do it my way and tell me how it was. I can pick that stuff up, yeah sensitive. But I sold my ps3 a few weeks ago so luckily im able to discuss the game with some like minded people.

There was no smug intent. Maybe Dan knows more about how to answer your question.

The reason I suggested to play it and test it is because figuring out exactly how madden uses ratings in game is a very complicated thing to figure out. I've tested and tested. I've heard many theories and I'm still not sure. When playing games though it's pretty easy to see that these ratings make games play more realistic. IMO

# 1402 huskerfan4life @ 08/04/14 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jukeman


	if it wasnt for that site, I wouldnt have found MM and OS.

can I ask what is MM I know OS is operation sports buve never heard of MM?

# 1403 RyanLaFalce @ 08/04/14 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elledaddy787


	How can anyone take these ratings serious?

How can anyone take you seriously?

# 1404 Hooe @ 08/04/14 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by huskerfan4life


	can I ask what is MM I know OS is operation sports buve never heard of MM?

MM refers to MaddenMania, an old Madden NFL news / fan site / forum which merged with Operation Sports years ago.

# 1405 friscob @ 08/04/14 03:16 PM

Is there a specific slider set that is meant to be coupled with this roster? I browsed through a few of the teams and players and I'll be honest I don't entirely get some of the ratings. Just weird seeing some of the best in their position according to metrics and performance last year having such low attribute ratings in comparison to some of their peers.

# 1406 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by friscob


	Is there a specific slider set that is meant to be coupled with this roster? I browsed through a few of the teams and players and I'll be honest I don't entirely get some of the ratings. Just weird seeing some of the best in their position according to metrics and performance last year having such low attribute ratings in comparison to some of their peers.

Well, perhaps you are just used to seeing too many players with ratings that have been over-inflated and based on seemingly no data and consistency. These are very different from stock EA rosters. They play differently, too. I suggest trying them out first. I once thought that NFL 2K5 had "weird" low ratings too, but those turned out to be pretty darn good.

# 1407 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo80


	Nah man its just smug. Its like saying I hear your question, wont address it, but instead ill tell you to just do it my way and tell me how it was. I can pick that stuff up, yeah sensitive. But I sold my ps3 a few weeks ago so luckily im able to discuss the game with some like minded people.

I didn't think that was smug at all. In fact, I think Charter said exactly what I would say. Try the rosters out for yourself and let us know what you think. That is the point of the thread. Trial and discussion.

# 1408 Primo80 @ 08/04/14 05:24 PM

Oh I thought we were past that. Yeah, ill definitely be trying the rosters out for next gen on 15.

# 1409 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo80


	Oh I thought we were past that. Yeah, ill definitely be trying the rosters out for next gen on 15.

Yeah, I actually didn't see those posts until today. Thought I would address it.

# 1410 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 09:47 PM

Just came here to add my 2 cents to your ratings. Clearly you guys don't favor The Giants. Seriously rated Eli Manning worst than (just to name a few) Christian Ponder and Matt Moore? You guys seem bias. Patrick Chung... I like the guy but he's equal to Antrel Rolle... How so? What season? Looked at it some more and notice Geoff Schwartz rated lower than Brewer? Smh. I wanted to give you guys a try but you prove to be worst than Danny Moore at this point. Keep trying tho I believe one day you guys will figure it out. I like the idea of lowering ratings but it seems to be little consistency.

# 1411 MajorSupreme @ 08/04/14 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	Just came here to add my 2 cents to your ratings. Clearly you guys don't favor The Giants. Seriously rated Eli Manning worst than (just to name a few) Christian Ponder and Matt Moore? You guys seem bias. Patrick Chung... I like the guy but he's equal to Antrel Rolle... How so? What season? Looked at it some more and notice Geoff Schwartz rated lower than Brewer? Smh. I wanted to give you guys a try but you prove to be worst than Danny Moore at this point. Keep trying tho I believe one day you guys will figure it out. I like the idea of lowering ratings but it seems to be little consistency.

I think it may be you showing bias. Why, by any means, should Eli not be rated so low after last season? And there is still no reason to not at least try these before you write them off as blasphemy. They have a consistent system that works, based upon more than basic stats and youtube scouting, unlike Mr. Moore.

# 1412 charter04 @ 08/04/14 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigGee55


	Have you guys or anyone else that you know of actually download rosters with these ratings? If so, whats the file name foe XBox1 ? Thanks in advance

I have a roster file on roster share that has about 8-10 teams done.

# 1413 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorSupreme


	I think it may be you showing bias. Why, by any means, should Eli not be rated so low after last season? And there is still no reason to not at least try these before you write them off as blasphemy. They have a consistent system that works, based upon more than basic stats and youtube scouting, unlike Mr. Moore.

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Originally Posted by BigGee55


	I love the ratings BUT you think Pat Develin should be rated higher then Eli Manning bcuz Manning had a bad year?

It's not so much bias as it's the fact that I knew they were going to severely under rate him. He had 27 INTs I doubt that they rated Favre a 62 when he threw 29 INTs. Why are 53 QBs better than Manning? I'm not saying he needs to be a 90 but when he plays behind a solid line he wins Super Bowls. I mean Geoff Schwartz isn't better than James Brewer? That makes no sense either. I know I'm a Giants fan, I also know most football fans hate us especially Eli. And I see it clearly on FBG. McBride was rated the number one corner in real life but has incredibly low man and zone coverage skills on FBG. Where did they get they're suppose research on that?

# 1414 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 11:01 PM

I seriously like the idea of lower ratings like 2k almost. But basketball isn't football. There's way more parity than Brady 98/Eli 63... Until you guys perfect this I've wrote these ratings off as BLASPHEMY lol. Danny Moore if you can read this. You're an angel. Go EA!!!

# 1415 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	Just came here to add my 2 cents to your ratings. Clearly you guys don't favor The Giants. Seriously rated Eli Manning worst than (just to name a few) Christian Ponder and Matt Moore? You guys seem bias. Patrick Chung... I like the guy but he's equal to Antrel Rolle... How so? What season? Looked at it some more and notice Geoff Schwartz rated lower than Brewer? Smh. I wanted to give you guys a try but you prove to be worst than Danny Moore at this point. Keep trying tho I believe one day you guys will figure it out. I like the idea of lowering ratings but it seems to be little consistency.

Did you read the FAQ page on the website? You may want to read that first...especially #6.

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/faqs.php

Manning is coming off of an injury and surgery. His OVR will rise as he heals up and proves he can play at a level that may be more "deserving" of his OVR rating.

Schwartz and Brewer will be in a battle to start at LG. Minnesota tried everything to get Schwartz to replace Fusco last year, and couldn't. Brewer at least started and was demoted. Schwartz is the starter right now, but that could change. Keep in mind that players are evaluated on ability and traits, NOT production. Believe it or not, sometimes a better player will be behind a lesser player on the depth chart. See the Jets QB situation right now for an example.

Chung and Rolle - look at their abilities. One is a thumper, the other is a coverage SS. Don't just look at the OVR. Sure, they are the same position, but are two totally different style of player.

We are not biased. We only interpret and interpolate the data into Madden ratings. I would love to see my Packers with 99s across the board, but if the data doesn't reflect that, then neither do we.

# 1416 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	It's not so much bias as it's the fact that I knew they were going to severely under rate him. He had 27 INTs I doubt that they rated Favre a 62 when he threw 29 INTs. Why are 53 QBs better than Manning? I'm not saying he needs to be a 90 but when he plays behind a solid line he wins Super Bowls. I mean Geoff Schwartz isn't better than James Brewer? That makes no sense either. I know I'm a Giants fan, I also know most football fans hate us especially Eli. And I see it clearly on FBG. McBride was rated the number one corner in real life but has incredibly low man and zone coverage skills on FBG. Where did they get they're suppose research on that?

But the reason for his rating was his injury. I don't mind Eli at all. His stats don't have anything to do with his rating. Once he is healthy, I am sure he will be up in the upper 70s low 80s like he was before. When it comes to Schwartz and Brewer, you have to look at their traits. Brewer is a younger, better athlete. He gets most of his age through his physical traits and his footwork. The difference is only 3 points. If Schwartz hangs on to the job, then he will be rated accordingly - trust me. But if Brewer wins out, I wonder if I will see you back here ready to eat your crow pie? I can't tell you how many times I have seen a guy behind on the depth chart with a higher rating than the guy in front win a position battle by the time the regular season comes around. Happens every year. This may be one of those cases. If it is, then the preseason ratings were correct. If it isn't then I am positive that the scouts will adjust the ratings for either player or both. Keep in mind that these are done in real-time, and while position battles wax and wane during training camps, so do the ratings.

# 1417 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	I seriously like the idea of lower ratings like 2k almost. But basketball isn't football. There's way more parity than Brady 98/Eli 63... Until you guys perfect this I've wrote these ratings off as BLASPHEMY lol. Danny Moore if you can read this. You're an angel. Go EA!!!

If you read what I said, I compared it more to the likes of Lindy's, Pro Football Weekly, and ESPN NFL 2K, not NBA 2K. Once again, Eli was hurt, had surgery, and is coming off of the recovery. As he improves and shows he is healthy, his ratings will come back up. If you want to write these off, that's fine, go right ahead. But I will tell you that there are some pretty reputable OSers and Madden vets that swear by them - read the other ratings threads and see the posts about people favoring FBG Ratings over those of Donny Moore. I don't even have to bring the site up anymore - it is starting to get recognition by other OSers on its own. However, if you like a game where players are rated without data, consistency, or logic, then I cannot compete with Donny Moore. That guy has the market cornered on those types of ratings year in and year out.

# 1418 charter04 @ 08/04/14 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigGee55


	Oh yeah, whats the name on it? I wanna give it a try.

Just go to the xbox1 fbg roster project thread in the roster forum. Everything is there

# 1419 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	...But if Brewer wins out, I wonder if I will see you back here ready to eat your crow pie? I can't tell you how many times I have seen a guy behind on the depth chart with a higher rating than the guy in front win a position battle by the time the regular season comes around. Happens every year...

What ever Rolle does in his style... He does several times better than Chung does in Chung's style. That's why Rolle is a Pro Bowler and Chung is not. Also what about your data made McBride so lowly rated? Schwartz isn't in a battle with Brewer either. Brewer is in a battle to even make the roster. I mean look him up on PFF it might help, Schwartz' ranked highly there. I just don't see how you're really taking into consideration actual talent. Eli Manning is definitely not hurt either. I'd be willing to be a trip to Monte Carlo that Brewer doesn't starts over Schwartz or much less even makes the roster.

# 1420 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigGee55


	That would be kool if true, but Cam had a more serious injury which he actually is STILL hurt while Eli played a full quarter of NFL football last night. And as of 8-2( last reported update) Eli was still ranked as the 55th highest QB. Cam suffered no such drop.

Eli is also older and believe me injuries take more time to get back to 100%. Not to mention that Eli was probably already lower than Cam to begin with based on last season. Each player is rated on an individual basis. Obviously the scouts see Manning's injury and situation a bit more daunting than Cam's right now. Keep in mind that even if he jumps up 10 points once the medical holds are removed, that will put him back in the top 15. Just 2 weeks ago he was at a 55 OVR, so in two weeks he has already jumped up 8 points. Based on what he has done this far in camp, he should only go up higher as his situation improves (if it improves). You must be patient. Changes like this don't happen overnight, even if the website is updated that quickly. It is a gradual progression.

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