EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

[ChaseB]

The FIFA Direct Twitter handle went on a tweet onslaught a couple days ago to coincide...

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[villabraves]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

Sorry they can deny it all they want but I call Bull[emoji90]!


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[King of Kings]

Our eyes don't lie. EA, on the other hand, does. We all see these occurrences repeatedly happen. No amount of yelling by them will achieve anything until the occurrences stop happening in-game. And the fact that they went the route of denying instead of fixing the problem has convinced me to once again not buy a FIFA game for the 6th or 7th consecutive year. I'll try it when it hits EA Access.

[ChaseB]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

While it is a denial, it did come with an explanation. Whether or not you believe it is fair enough, but RNG is in these games either way, which is going to lead to random results, which thus results in theories existing.

I don't think any true DDA exists, for the record. I just think FIFA has quite a bit of randomness with so many AI players out there, and we're always going to remember when we were screwed by randomness and not the countless other times we were not -- so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts if you're prone to go down that path.

[CujoMatty]

This actually blows my mind. I have believed for a long time that scripting/momentum/whatever is something that needs to exist in the current state of AI programming or we would be back in the Sega Genesis days of going undefeated in single player games. I also believe the RNG aspect to an extent  but to come out and adamantly deny its existence is honestly crazy.

I feel like the argument usually devolves into semantics as any one term for it can somewhat be disputed but I have zero doubt it's there , whatever you want to call it. RNG says to me a bad pass might happen or an errant shot. Here is the definition I found:

A Random Number Generator (RNG) is a mathematical construct, either computational or as a hardware device that is designed to generate a random set of numbers that should not display any distinguishable patterns in their appearance or generation, hence the word random.*Jul 7, 2019


The part that sticks out is "that should not see any distinguishable pattern".  Explaining what most of us see in FIFA with this definition just doesn't work for me.  I routinely have games playing as Man U where my players simply cant pass or shoot all game and I'm playing against a relegation level team that is playing like Barca on top form. If that's not DDA or momentum I honestly dont know what it is but it sure isnt a "random event"

Again I'm not saying this in frustration or anger as like I said, it feels necessary given the limitations of AI programming, but to forcefully deny it or this RNG explanation actually discourages me from believing the dev's know what they are talking about. 

[LoadStar81]

The perception is the experience in gaming.  So if something is so widespread that it's a general perception, then it's the general experience, whether EA likes it or not.
And if it's not supposed to be the general experience, then it needs to be corrected.  Maybe there really is no causative code, but there certainly seems to be no preventive code, given how widespread the perception/experience seems to be.

[JohnyBlacks]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

You must understand them. Imagine: you got a product that banging from year to year, and some people (the minority) are saying that it is something wrong with game, and other 80% are playing it and they are happy. I am sure, that EA can make FIFA 20(For example) the best simulator of this era, but they don`t need it because who`ll want to buy next part with a hope that some buges are fixed? That is about business, not stupidity of developers

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

The perception is the experience in gaming.* So if something is so widespread that it's a general perception, then it's the general experience, whether EA likes it or not.
And if it's not supposed to be the general experience, then it needs to be corrected.* Maybe there really is no causative code, but there certainly seems to be no preventive code, given how widespread the perception/experience seems to be.

Exactly this. There is a widespread perception, and I'm sure anyone who has played against AI has felt certain about a pattern of behavior that seems to disingenuously favor the AI in some circumstances.

If it's not scripting or DDA in a technical sense, the issue remains and should be identified by the devs--unless it's an intended design choice for gameplay.

[jrnlgrn]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

The part that sticks out is "that should not see any distinguishable pattern".* Explaining what most of us see in FIFA with this definition just doesn't work for me.* I routinely have games playing as Man U where my players simply cant pass or shoot all game and I'm playing against a relegation level team that is playing like Barca on top form. If that's not DDA or momentum I honestly dont know what it is but it sure isnt a "random event"

This part right here. "that should not see any distinguishable pattern"

We all see the pattern and that's the real problem. I think a vast majority would be okay with RNG or "scripting" if we couldn't see the pattern. It's like the RNG present in FIFA is limited to a few "random" scenarios instead of multiple instances throughout a game being random based on certain criteria. All video games are pulling the strings to engineer the experience in a certain way. It's only a problem when you are painfully aware that things are being manipulated.

[bxphenom7]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

Riiiiight lol

[ChaseB]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

The perception is the experience in gaming.* So if something is so widespread that it's a general perception, then it's the general experience, whether EA likes it or not.
And if it's not supposed to be the general experience, then it needs to be corrected.* Maybe there really is no causative code, but there certainly seems to be no preventive code, given how widespread the perception/experience seems to be.

Yeah, I think this is a fair reply. I simply mean I think a lot of people overestimate how "smart" or "sinister" these companies are being with the "code" of the game. RNG is just naturally in all these games due to all the elements that smash against each other. Again, I don't think there's any real DDA as the true cause for people creating the theories because it would be dumb for EA to lie about something like that and would serve no good purpose if it's upsetting everyone anyway. It's just a game that isn't "good enough" right now to create an experience that doesn't lead to frustrations at certain times, which thus leads to these conspiracies.

But, again, I don't deny people can feel like the game is out to get them, that's a song as old as time for pretty much every sports game.

[jWILL253]

Re: EA Denies That Scripting, DDA or Momentum Exist in FIFA

Yeah, I think this is a fair reply. I simply mean I think a lot of people overestimate how "smart" or "sinister" these companies are being with the "code" of the game. RNG is just naturally in all these games due to all the elements that smash against each other. Again, I don't think there's any real DDA as the true cause for people creating the theories because it would be dumb for EA to lie about something like that and would serve no good purpose if it's upsetting everyone anyway. It's just a game that isn't "good enough" right now to create an experience that doesn't lead to frustrations at certain times, which thus leads to these conspiracies.

But, again, I don't deny people can feel like the game is out to get them, that's a song as old as time for pretty much every sports game.

The problem is, there are plenty of modders that have played with the game's code on a deep enough level to change AI behavior, and they've all acknowledged that DDA is a thing.


At this point, I would prefer more honesty about it from EA, even if they changed nothing else about the game going forward.