No matter what EA fix, with current controls UFC4 is not competetive (Feints ruined.)

[jafc1]

So if you don't know EA have implementd a new tap mechanic to the contros, so the strength of your button press can determine what action your fighter performs, these taps need to be super precise. For some strange reason the body shot combination is linked to the takedown and the overhand right is linked to the clinch entry.

Body shots and takedowns are core mechanics of the game. You can't have a MMA game with janky controls for takedowns and bodyshots. It does not matter what they fix if they the controls wrong it undermines the whole game.

When you press the button for a body shot one of three things can happen.

1) Body shot

2) Body feint

3) Takedown

The margin for error is so slight how can you ever consistently perform body feints? Feints were a mechanic that many people used in UFC 3. It is crazy to have these linked to one button combo.

I can not think of any competetive fighting game that implements such janky weak tap controls. When you press the button you do not know what will happen. Imagine in tekken if the A button could do a punch, kick or block depending on how long you tapped the button for? It would be lunacy. With the control scheme how it is, this game cannot be competitive.


To block a takedown you need to hold the shoulder button and back. Therefore controls change depending on what side of the cage you are on. This is madness, you have a split second to deny takedowns the button you press should not change.


Legacy controls give you full control, if you want a feint you can feint, if you want a takedown you can takedown and if you want to throw a body shot you can. Before EA do anything else they need to change the control scheme.


Full legacy controls need to be an option.

[lahonda]

The control changes were made to get the RS free so we can sway as long as we hold block. A lot of FNC players wanted that and i like it. Trough this change this hole sway bubble head will go a little bit away.

Boy you never play beat em ups like MK X/11, DBZ or SFV?

All games need exact inputs! Theres nothing wrong about it. What scares me is if its laggy and a fight with >150 latency.

Ohhh btw check For Honor where hits are done in 400ms ans there still a lot of guys that handel those fast inputs and block that stuff. They even parry those!!!

[jafc1]

Quote: Originally Posted by lahonda

The control changes were made to get the RS free so we can sway as long as we hold block. A lot of FNC players wanted that and i like it. Trough this change this hole sway bubble head will go a little bit away. Boy you never play beat em ups like MK X/11, DBZ or SFV? All games need exact inputs! Theres nothing wrong about it. What scares me is if its laggy and a fight with >150 latency. Ohhh btw check For Honor where hits are done in 400ms ans there still a lot of guys that handel those fast inputs and block that stuff. They even parry those!!!

That is great and all, but this is not For Honor where you are swinging with a sword this is a fast pased striking game with many buttons and decisions.



This can not be as competetive as UFC 3 with the current setup.



Are you honestly saying there is no problem with Body shot, body feint and takedowns all being mapped to the same button combo?

[slikkster]

Bro, what are you talking about? Don’t hold the button. I threw many combos with body shots involved and never went for a takedown that was unintended. Also, the feint is rt/r2. How does that factor in with takedowns which are done with lt/l2? Also, clinch is always done with the lead hand. If you’re an orthodox fighter and trying to use the input for clinching with your right hand, it’s going to throw an overhand right because you can’t clinch with your non lead hand


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[lahonda]

Quote: Originally Posted by jafc1

That is great and all, but this is not For Honor where you are swinging with a sword this is a fast pased striking game with many buttons and decisions. This can not be as competetive as UFC 3 with the current setup. Are you honestly saying there is no problem with Body shot, body feint and takedowns all being mapped to the same button combo?

I had those problems till i figured out what i did wrong!

For honor is even faster AND more reactable then this ufc game. So judgeing over FH just from saying or watching a few time a video/stream?

[Pedro_Guap]

Quote: Originally Posted by jafc1

So if you don't know EA have implementd a new tap mechanic to the contros, so the strength of your button press can determine what action your fighter performs, these taps need to be super precise. For some strange reason the body shot combination is linked to the takedown and the overhand right is linked to the clinch entry. Body shots and takedowns are core mechanics of the game. You can't have a MMA game with janky controls for takedowns and bodyshots. It does not matter what they fix if they the controls wrong it undermines the whole game. When you press the button for a body shot one of three things can happen. 1) Body shot 2) Body feint 3) Takedown The margin for error is so slight how can you ever consistently perform body feints? Feints were a mechanic that many people used in UFC 3. It is crazy to have these linked to one button combo. I can not think of any competetive fighting game that implements such janky weak tap controls. When you press the button you do not know what will happen. Imagine in tekken if the A button could do a punch, kick or block depending on how long you tapped the button for? It would be lunacy. With the control scheme how it is, this game cannot be competitive. To block a takedown you need to hold the shoulder button and back. Therefore controls change depending on what side of the cage you are on. This is madness, you have a split second to deny takedowns the button you press should not change. Legacy controls give you full control, if you want a feint you can feint, if you want a takedown you can takedown and if you want to throw a body shot you can. Before EA do anything else they need to change the control scheme. Full legacy controls need to be an option.

Honestly, I am glad they made it harder to spam feints.

[RetractedMonkey]

“Spam feints”. Lmfao Out of all the things this guy has said this is the most ridiculous. God forbid someone not telegraph what they are going to throw so I can counter easily. Not mention guys like Wineland feint endlessly from their stance alone.

In regard to the body shots into takedowns I actually agree to an extent. The takedown hold should have to be just a hair longer. I go for body shots and hit takedowns on accident far to often.


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[1212headkick]

Take downs need a completely different input. You cant feint into clinch or into strikes fluidly.