There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

[howardphillips214]

Standing directly underneath the basket on offense shouldn't GIFT you rebounds because you're 7'3. These guys don't even have to jump to get rebounds. I'm pushing him, shoving him trying to get between him and the basket. But at 7'3 290 he's just unstoppable when I'm 6'9. I'm just so tired of the 7'3s being like this. Ever since the inception of MyPlayer being tall is all you need to do.

I ended up closing the gap, he had 10 rebounds to my 5 at half. But he ended with 15 to my 12. The problem is most of his rebounds were offensive. Doing NOTHING but sitting under the rim to kick out to shooters.

[tru11]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

If you are tired make a taller player or box out better on defense.

Stop trying to make this game even more arcade and unrealistic then it already is.

You are 6’9.
You should be at a disadvantage in the paint against a much taller player.

Blake Griffin would get destroyed in the paint on offense, defense and on the boards against the likes of shaq, hakeem, kareem of wilt......


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[MrWrestling3]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Height disparity aside, the only thing I can think is that anticipation and positioning are also a part of rebounding; it sounds like you are giving up position right off the bat.

Assuming you are some sort of defender/rebounder, you should be quicker than he is and roughly as strong...most importantly try to beat him to his spots; get there first and do everything you can to keep him from getting any advantage at all before the shot goes up.Some times the best you can do is just make sure the other teams best rebounder is always in bad position and trust your team to get the ball.

Yes, I know the way 2K works that's nowhere nearly as easy as it sounds and may not be incredibly helpful, but unfortunately it's all I have.

[howardphillips214]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Most important piece of information y'all not accounting for. HE AIN'T EVEN GOTTA JUMP. If im leaning into him, pushing him,shoving him, he can just get the rebound by it coming off the rim and going into his hands. You look at the best rebounders in the game. Drummond 6'10, DeAndre Jordan 6'11, deAndre Ayton 6'11... The only 2 7'3s in the league both play for the Mavs right now. KP averaging career highs in rebounds at 9 per game. Boban Marjonovic gets boards when he's on the court, but he's not out rebounding Drummond. He barely even plays for us.

Tristan Thompson is like 6'9. He's one of the best rebounders in the game.

Stop it.

[TonyBake]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Don't you have another thread going right now where you complained about big men that can't shoot clogging the paint and not even getting rebounds to make up for it?

It really does sound like you're just not anticipating misses or not in position which can happen obviously when you're playing help D and what not. I've got a 6'10" defending/finishing PF and never feel like I'm struggling on the glass

[howardphillips214]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Don't you have another thread going right now where you complained about big men that can't shoot clogging the paint and not even getting rebounds to make up for it?

It really does sound like you're just not anticipating misses or not in position which can happen obviously when you're playing help D and what not. I've got a 6'10" defending/finishing PF and never feel like I'm struggling on the glass

Overall it was pretty even. You're not understanding my complaint. He twiced me on the offensive glass. If he's just standing under the rim waiting for a shot, I'm at a disadvantage. Defensively if i beat him down court getting back and they throw an early shot up, i can get those over anyone. But when Im jostling with him for position when he's on offense and I'm on defense it's hard because he has to reset. If he's not getting 3 in the key because he's popping in and out it's hard to maintain my position between him and the basket. But even times when i feel i have him boxed, he'll get animations where they'll just fly over my head.


I love how you all assume I'm just trash. Rather than just acknowledging the logic. Most players in the current NBA over 7' are not great rebounders. The best in the game are the good blends of athleticism and strength.

[TonyBake]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

I see what you mean. IDK maybe it's just been my experience but I don't often find myself having to "jostle" with anyone lol it's like rebounding/boxout battles don't really exist. Half the games I play no one even boxes out. I've just found that if I anticipate properly I can snag defensive boards before the bigs even try to crash the offensive glass.

But sometimes the way the ball bounces does cause boards to go over my head or if I time it wrong it'll go over. But I don't think that's really anything the 7'3" behemoths are doing. If I was in the right position and boxing out I like to think I'd still have gotten the board.

So you think defensive boxing out isn't as effective as it should be? Do you have the Box badge? (which btw is a stupid badge that we shouldn't have to waste badge points on but still). I only have like Bronze Box and Silver Rebound Chaser and it seems to be enough to hold down my boxouts.

[tru11]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Overall it was pretty even. You're not understanding my complaint. He twiced me on the offensive glass. If he's just standing under the rim waiting for a shot, I'm at a disadvantage. Defensively if i beat him down court getting back and they throw an early shot up, i can get those over anyone. But when Im jostling with him for position when he's on offense and I'm on defense it's hard because he has to reset. If he's not getting 3 in the key because he's popping in and out it's hard to maintain my position between him and the basket. But even times when i feel i have him boxed, he'll get animations where they'll just fly over my head.


I love how you all assume I'm just trash. Rather than just acknowledging the logic. Most players in the current NBA over 7' are not great rebounders. The best in the game are the good blends of athleticism and strength.

What are your rebound ratings?
At what level is rebound chaser and box out and other badges?

[tru11]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

I see what you mean. IDK maybe it's just been my experience but I don't often find myself having to "jostle" with anyone lol it's like rebounding/boxout battles don't really exist. Half the games I play no one even boxes out. I've just found that if I anticipate properly I can snag defensive boards before the bigs even try to crash the offensive glass.

But sometimes the way the ball bounces does cause boards to go over my head or if I time it wrong it'll go over. But I don't think that's really anything the 7'3" behemoths are doing. If I was in the right position and boxing out I like to think I'd still have gotten the board.

So you think defensive boxing out isn't as effective as it should be? Do you have the Box badge? (which btw is a stupid badge that we shouldn't have to waste badge points on but still). I only have like Bronze Box and Silver Rebound Chaser and it seems to be enough to hold down my boxouts.

i have bronze box and gold rebound chaser with a 76 rebound rating on my 7`0 interior force and i have little issue getting defensive boards.

Even against 7`3 glass cleaner with takeover i can stop them from getting offensive boards.

I wont get barely any offensive boards myself though

[howardphillips214]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

i have bronze box and gold rebound chaser with a 76 rebound rating on my 7`0 interior force and i have little issue getting defensive boards.

Even against 7`3 glass cleaner with takeover i can stop them from getting offensive boards.

I wont get barely any offensive boards myself though

Have rebound chaser HOF. Have an 85 defensive rebounding right now. It'll go over a 90 when higher OVR right now only a 92. But my vertical is a 75 which should mean more than someone's 7'3 height.

[tru11]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Have rebound chaser HOF. Have an 85 defensive rebounding right now. It'll go over a 90 when higher OVR right now only a 92. But my vertical is a 75 which should mean more than someone's 7'3 height.

7`3 players also have a vertical.
im 1000% sure its not 0.

They can have the same badges as you.
Odds are they are a glass cleaning rimprotector with much higher rebounding ratings.
They can get the same boost as you wether its overall, boost stand or workout.

So im not sure why it should mean more.
My 2way SG has a 99 vertical.
According to you i should dominate everyone including you on the glass?

[howardphillips214]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

7`3 players also have a vertical.
im 1000% sure its not 0.

They can have the same badges as you.
Odds are they are a glass cleaning rimprotector with much higher rebounding ratings.
They can get the same boost as you wether its overall, boost stand or workout.

So im not sure why it should mean more.
My 2way SG has a 99 vertical.
According to you i should dominate everyone including you on the glass?

Bro, you just love to be argumentative.

7'3 max wing span with a 35 vertical VS a 6'9 with slightly above default wingspan 75 vertical. At the apex of their jump, who you think should be higher? The tree or the human trampoline?

[tru11]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

Bro, you just love to be argumentative.

7'3 max wing span with a 35 vertical VS a 6'9 with slightly above default wingspan 75 vertical. At the apex of their jump, who you think should be higher? The tree or the human trampoline?

Wilt the stilt vs blake griffin.
kareem vs blake griffin.
Shaq vs Griffin.
Hakeem vs Griffin.

Who will win on the glass?

My money is on the trees.

There is more to rebounding then just jumping.

[splashmountain]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

If you are tired make a taller player or box out better on defense.

Stop trying to make this game even more arcade and unrealistic then it already is.

You are 6’9.
You should be at a disadvantage in the paint against a much taller player.

Blake Griffin would get destroyed in the paint on offense, defense and on the boards against the likes of shaq, hakeem, kareem of wilt......


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You do realize hakeem wasnt even 7 feet right?

You do realize Charles barkely was actually 6'4 to 6'5 right?I'll give him another fake inch and say he was 6'6.

Charles was a monster on the glass, because he did a great job of boxing out but he also was quicker than most true bigs and he could jump higher and jump faster than them as well. This is what the Original poster is talking about.
he never said he wasnt boxing out. you went there.

GUys now get Glass Locks and just stand under the backboard. some stand out of bounds on purpose right behind the rim. and hit RT and the Jump button when the ball hits the rim. If they have high enough rebound ratings. the ball will float to where they are more so than them jumping towards where the ball was truly going to begin with.

I keep telling you guys. this game is not what you think it is. a lot of what you think you see aint real. just like in that thread about zone defense and fake passing lane steals. it applies to fake rebounds too. The ball's trajectory is not Free and Open after a missed shot. Depending on where the best rebounders are, the ball will fall towards those guys rather than where it should have fallen based on how it hit the rim. guys with high rebounding ratings and rebound chaser on HOF. They dont have to chase the rebound, the rebound will chase them. You become a Magnet and the ball is like Metal. it will be attracted to you whether you do the proper boxing out or not. doesnt matter.

and if you get really good at boxing guys out but you're not a rebounder and you're not super tall. the ball will start to bounce far far over your head so you never have a chance to get it. thats not where the ball was going. thats where it had to go because there was a super tall rebounder guy with badges there. thats how 2k works.

If you want to have a more realistic rebounding experience. you have to not be a rebounder archetype, not be 7 feet+. and go up against someone that also isnt a rebounder arch and also not 7 feet. this is the only time you will feel like the ball is free and you have to GO GET the ball, box out, worm, etc.

the non rebounders do not have the magnetic effect on the ball like rebounders do.

This is also why i say the sweet spot of playing in the REC or pro am is when everyone's overall is approx 80 to 88. This is when its a lot less cheese assuming people arent fake 88's and just holding on to their overall boosts to get badges and smash weaker opponents.

let me keep adding. Dennis rodman was not 7 feet.
Ben wallace was not 7 feet.

Dwight howard was, is not 7 feet.

Wilt was a monster we know this. so were other truly big guys. but wilt was the perfect combination of Quicks, Hops, Length, and strength. Its like saying what if dennis rodman had charles barkley's strength and was 7 feet + with super long arms. its a wrap. lol.

But most true 7 footers are not that combination. these 2k 7'3 dudes are 7'3 stiffs. They are defender rebounders or rebounding defenders. not hyper athletic at all.

lets take a look at the top rebounders by Rebounds per game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_per_g_career.html

Make sure to look at the NBA only list on the far right. Bill russell is high and he aint 7 feet neither.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: There HAS to be more to rebounding than being tall.

You do realize hakeem wasnt even 7 feet right?

You do realize Charles barkely was actually 6'4 to 6'5 right?I'll give him another fake inch and say he was 6'6.

Charles was a monster on the glass, because he did a great job of boxing out but he also was quicker than most true bigs and he could jump higher and jump faster than them as well. This is what the Original poster is talking about.
he never said he wasnt boxing out. you went there.

GUys now get Glass Locks and just stand under the backboard. some stand out of bounds on purpose right behind the rim. and hit RT and the Jump button when the ball hits the rim. If they have high enough rebound ratings. the ball will float to where they are more so than them jumping towards where the ball was truly going to begin with.

I keep telling you guys. this game is not what you think it is. a lot of what you think you see aint real. just like in that thread about zone defense and fake passing lane steals. it applies to fake rebounds too. The ball's trajectory is not Free and Open after a missed shot. Depending on where the best rebounders are, the ball will fall towards those guys rather than where it should have fallen based on how it hit the rim. guys with high rebounding ratings and rebound chaser on HOF. They dont have to chase the rebound, the rebound will chase them. You become a Magnet and the ball is like Metal. it will be attracted to you whether you do the proper boxing out or not. doesnt matter.

and if you get really good at boxing guys out but you're not a rebounder and you're not super tall. the ball will start to bounce far far over your head so you never have a chance to get it. thats not where the ball was going. thats where it had to go because there was a super tall rebounder guy with badges there. thats how 2k works.

If you want to have a more realistic rebounding experience. you have to not be a rebounder archetype, not be 7 feet+. and go up against someone that also isnt a rebounder arch and also not 7 feet. this is the only time you will feel like the ball is free and you have to GO GET the ball, box out, worm, etc.

the non rebounders do not have the magnetic effect on the ball like rebounders do.

This is also why i say the sweet spot of playing in the REC or pro am is when everyone's overall is approx 80 to 88. This is when its a lot less cheese assuming people arent fake 88's and just holding on to their overall boosts to get badges and smash weaker opponents.

let me keep adding. Dennis rodman was not 7 feet.
Ben wallace was not 7 feet.

Dwight howard was, is not 7 feet.

Wilt was a monster we know this. so were other truly big guys. but wilt was the perfect combination of Quicks, Hops, Length, and strength. Its like saying what if dennis rodman had charles barkley's strength and was 7 feet + with super long arms. its a wrap. lol.

But most true 7 footers are not that combination. these 2k 7'3 dudes are 7'3 stiffs. They are defender rebounders or rebounding defenders. not hyper athletic at all.

lets take a look at the top rebounders by Rebounds per game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_per_g_career.html

Make sure to look at the NBA only list on the far right. Bill russell is high and he aint 7 feet neither.

Something Barkley,Rodman,Hakeem,Russell,Wallace,etc. have in common which noone seems to mention....every one of them was exceptional at predicting which way the ball would come off the rim and would beat people to the spot.Most of them were also excellent at sealing people out of position during the box out.While it did happen sometimes, pretty much none of these guys were soaring in over other good rebounders with some sort of crazy high leap to snag boards on the regular.Generally it was all about grinding it out.

Now I get that 2K isn't exactly the pinnacle of realism these days;thanks to badges, ALOT of really dumb stuff does happen.At times, this game feels more like AND 1 with an NBA license than it does pro basketball.

That being said......at the same time, if you just let big guys go stand in a superior spot under the hoop right off the bat and don't do work to get him out of there, you are also basically conceding the rebound to him from the get go.That guy would kill you on the boards IRL too.

Most of the online games I have seen, you almost never see guys box out, much less box out battle(turbo+RS+LS into the guy during boxout pushes them away from the basket) or grind on people to wear their stamina down to make them tired so they become less effective.

Too often everybody chases the ball around the court like it's a pick up game in Phys Ed class and expect NBA level results.Heck,some games I have watched people are on the verge of calling "HAX" when someone does box out as if it's some kind of cheat code.