Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed)

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

I see a lot of people saying they get intercepted too much. I play on All Madden, and I nerf my own pass protection, yet I only throw interceptions when I do something stupid or get an unlucky bounce.


The video below shows the secret. But first...





Here is why you guys may be throwing picks:


(1) You're not throwing with anticipation. I saw a thread today where a guy said he was throwing with anticipation and still getting intercepted, yet he threw it AFTER the WR was already a couple of steps into his break. That's not throwing with anticipation. That's throwing late. This video shows actual anticipatory throwing. Compare it to that video.


(2) You're not making the right pre-snap read, and not adjusting properly post-snap. In the video below, I see that that the middle is open pre-snap (if there was one guy in the middle, we say it's closed). I know I have a post route, so if after the snap I don't see a safety move to the middle, I know that route is going to have a good chance.



(3) You're not adjusting post-snap. In the video below, my pre-snap read of the coverage was right, but I was surprised by a blitz up the middle. I'm on All Madden with nerfed pass protection, so I know I have to get rid of this ball quickly. My running back is running a rail route, but I see the safety following him, so no dumping off to him. The other safety drifts to my right, so my options are the dig route or the post. As I saw way more space in the deep middle, I chose the post. But again, a blitz is coming, so I have to get rid of it really early. So, I throw it with some air, and led the WR away from the other safety.





Overall, this was a successful pass because I made the right pre-snap read, I adjusted properly post-snap, I threw the ball with anticipation (my QB begins his throwing motion a split second before the WR makes his cut, which means I pressed the button even before that), and I put the proper amount of air under the ball to allow the WR to get it (noting that this was partially determined by the post-snap look which showed me that there was no one in the deep middle).


If you do this sort of thing every play, and know where your check downs are (and when NOT to use them - for example in this play where my running back was covered), know your progressions (but be ready to abort them if need be), you won't be intercepted nearly as much. It won't always work out this well. Sometimes you just have to take a sack, sometimes you're wrong about the coverage, etc. But if you do all of this, and practice the timing, your interceptions ought to go way down.







Here is the video demonstrating all this. At :48 I actually slow it way down so you can see the QB beginning to throw well before the WR makes his break.




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[icicle22]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

This is an excellent video but while I can accomplish this much of the time, I notice that the QB often throws to the receiver instead of the route. It would help if there was some true route based passing that we could control. Otherwise I get burned when my guy is supposed to be running a post and I try to lob it up to him and I press the button before he breaks and it throws to where he is and I get an interception because of it.

I do believe there are times that this technique works perfectly but too many times it doesn't work at all for me and the outcome is bad.

Thanks for the helpful post.

[Kentaurus]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

While these things are all very true, you also played against a cover 0 blitz on that play which most people have no problem beating. Do the same against a good user playing C3, and do it with a consistent basis.

Not saying this can't be done, or that you don't do it, however beating Cover 0 isn't the problem the vast majority have throwing INTs.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

While these things are all very true, you also played against a cover 0 blitz on that play which most people have no problem beating. Do the same against a good user playing C3, and do it with a consistent basis.

Not saying this can't be done, or that you don't do it, however beating Cover 0 isn't the problem the vast majority have throwing INTs.

The complaints come from people playing the CPU though. I haven't even played a user yet, so I can't speak to that. But zone, man, whatever, versus the AI on All Madden, I have no trouble avoiding INTs as long as I don't get stupid.



But still, look at the difference from when I throw it versus when this person throws it (first video). That matters.



https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rceptions.html


I kill deep crossing routes fairly often against all defenses. You can't always throw it like that and expect a completion (as you pointed out, coverage matters); sometimes you have to wait for a window, but you still throw it before the WR gets to the window, not after.

[edgevoice]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

I see a lot of people saying they get intercepted too much. I play on All Madden, and I nerf my own pass protection, yet I only throw interceptions when I do something stupid or get an unlucky bounce.


The video below shows the secret. But first...





Here is why you guys may be throwing picks:


(1) You're not throwing with anticipation. I saw a thread today where a guy said he was throwing with anticipation and still getting intercepted, yet he threw it AFTER the WR was already a couple of steps into his break. That's not throwing with anticipation. That's throwing late. This video shows actual anticipatory throwing. Compare it to that video.


(2) You're not making the right pre-snap read, and not adjusting properly post-snap. In the video below, I see that that the middle is open pre-snap (if there was one guy in the middle, we say it's closed). I know I have a post route, so if after the snap I don't see a safety move to the middle, I know that route is going to have a good chance.



(3) You're not adjusting post-snap. In the video below, my pre-snap read of the coverage was right, but I was surprised by a blitz up the middle. I'm on All Madden with nerfed pass protection, so I know I have to get rid of this ball quickly. My running back is running a rail route, but I see the safety following him, so no dumping off to him. The other safety drifts to my right, so my options are the dig route or the post. As I saw way more space in the deep middle, I chose the post. But again, a blitz is coming, so I have to get rid of it really early. So, I throw it with some air, and led the WR away from the other safety.





Overall, this was a successful pass because I made the right pre-snap read, I adjusted properly post-snap, I threw the ball with anticipation (my QB begins his throwing motion a split second before the WR makes his cut, which means I pressed the button even before that), and I put the proper amount of air under the ball to allow the WR to get it (noting that this was partially determined by the post-snap look which showed me that there was no one in the deep middle).


If you do this sort of thing every play, and know where your check downs are (and when NOT to use them - for example in this play where my running back was covered), know your progressions (but be ready to abort them if need be), you won't be intercepted nearly as much. It won't always work out this well. Sometimes you just have to take a sack, sometimes you're wrong about the coverage, etc. But if you do all of this, and practice the timing, your interceptions ought to go way down.

One of the most important factors regarding leading your receiver is how much touch you use on the receiver icon. It's not all about the lead stick. As you pointed out, you have to "put some air" on the ball in order to throw to a spot. If you don't, you will simply throw the ball right on the receiver, with only a small amount of ball placement being accomplished.

There are certain coverages where you have to throw right at, or even before your receiver makes his break. However, when facing a match zone or trying to throw a slant, skinny post against man with inside leverage, it is sometimes necessary to hold the ball a tick longer to make sure your receiver is going to win on his break. Better yet, in this situation it's wiser to go elsewhere with the ball.

[k1ngofny]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

One of the most important factors regarding leading your receiver is how much touch you use on the receiver icon. It's not all about the lead stick. As you pointed out, you have to "put some air" on the ball in order to throw to a spot. If you don't, you will simply throw the ball right on the receiver, with only a small amount of ball placement being accomplished.

There are certain coverages where you have to throw right at, or even before your receiver makes his break. However, when facing a match zone or trying to throw a slant, skinny post against man with inside leverage, it is sometimes necessary to hold the ball a tick longer to make sure your receiver is going to win on his break. Better yet, in this situation it's wiser to go elsewhere with the ball.

I do agree that people overuse the bullet pass and should use touch passes more often. I think the reason for that is that sometimes with a touch pass, there is too much air under the ball. This most often comes into play when throwing against cover 2 or 3 3 zone coverage where there is a gap between the underneath zones and deep zones. Your timing has to be near perfect to use touch passes to complete a pass in that gap. Most people try to use bullet passes instead to fit it in that tight window, but then complain when superman leaping LBs make the pick. A touch pass could work in that scenario, but it has to be perfect or the safety will come down and make a big hit.

[Shosum13]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

While these things are all very true, you also played against a cover 0 blitz on that play which most people have no problem beating. Do the same against a good user playing C3, and do it with a consistent basis.

Not saying this can't be done, or that you don't do it, however beating Cover 0 isn't the problem the vast majority have throwing INTs.

Well now playing against a user and not the CPU is a different story. A user that has mastered using a LB or Safety to roam the middle of the field can take away 2 and even sometimes 3 routes at the same time. User defenders can be overpowered with a good user then the strategy on offense just becomes avoiding the user defender. Against a user you need to try and read which player they are using pre-snap and sometimes call hot routes that will draw them off of your primary WR you want to target.


Another thing that gets overlooked, and I'll admit I used to be guilty of this but the bullet pass gets over used. I used to only throw bullets unless it was a go route then I would just throw a regular lob. If you go in to practice mode and work on touch and lob passes then zone coverage or even tight man coverage becomes easier to beat.



Also work on high pointing passes using the L1/LB buttons or low pointing passes using the L2/LT buttons. If you throw a deep ball in to tighter coverage to a WR like Julio Jones and you high point a touch pass often times they will go up and try to get the ball over the defender. If you play around with these throwing mechanics you'll find that you throw less interceptions. Even in tight coverage I find at least for me if I use these different mechanics at the right time then usually worse case scenario the defender is only in position to possibly break up the pass not intercept it because they place the ball better.

[underdog13]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

Wow that is a great throw you made.

I think my issues are #3 and trying to make throws that you just can't make in madden. I'm actually throwing more picks in my 2nd year so far

[Rayzaa]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

This is an excellent video but while I can accomplish this much of the time, I notice that the QB often throws to the receiver instead of the route. It would help if there was some true route based passing that we could control. Otherwise I get burned when my guy is supposed to be running a post and I try to lob it up to him and I press the button before he breaks and it throws to where he is and I get an interception because of it.

I do believe there are times that this technique works perfectly but too many times it doesn't work at all for me and the outcome is bad.

Thanks for the helpful post.

Why would you throw a lob on a post route? Not saying it has to be a bullet but a lob? That just gives the DB time to catch up first of all.

[k1ngofny]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

Why would you throw a lob on a post route?

You can do it if it's cover 0 and no deep safety in the middle, otherwise you need a bullet pass to hit the receiver before the deep middle safety can get there to either pick it or blow up the WR.

[Shosum13]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

You can do it if it's cover 0 and no deep safety in the middle, otherwise you need a bullet pass to hit the receiver before the deep middle safety can get there to either pick it or blow up the WR.

A well timed touch pass can get there before safety, a lot of times throwing a bullet in that situation will get picked by the CB undercutting the route.

[Rayzaa]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

You can do it if it's cover 0 and no deep safety in the middle, otherwise you need a bullet pass to hit the receiver before the deep middle safety can get there to either pick it or blow up the WR.

Yeah but I think it's better to have it in somewhere in the middle at least so not give a DB a chance to catch up unless he is wide open.
Also these things depend of your QBs rating on medium and deep routes. Even on shorter routes my QB will make an errand throw here and there.

[kennylc321]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

I fully understand I am expecting way too much out of a video football game but here goes...

It would be nice if EA can emulate the real life aspect of route running. IRL, the routes are based on the coverage. If, for instance, the receiver is running a crossing route, if it is man coverage, the receiver runs the crossing pattern. If it is a zone, the receiver will sit in between the zone defenders.

EA does not do that (yeah. I know they have a handful of option routes but really...) So if my receiver is running a crossing route and the AI and his psychic defense just so happens to be in a zone coverage, that receiver is pretty much not an option on that play.

That is what EA need to figure out.

[StefJoeHalt]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

I fully understand I am expecting way too much out of a video football game but here goes...



It would be nice if EA can emulate the real life aspect of route running. IRL, the routes are based on the coverage. If, for instance, the receiver is running a crossing route, if it is man coverage, the receiver runs the crossing pattern. If it is a zone, the receiver will sit in between the zone defenders.



EA does not do that (yeah. I know they have a handful of option routes but really...) So if my receiver is running a crossing route and the AI and his psychic defense just so happens to be in a zone coverage, that receiver is pretty much not an option on that play.



That is what EA need to figure out.

I agree also with this post..however, there is one other element to it that EA would have to workout..and if EA figured it out..the player/human would have to deal with the blow back at times..and here is that element..

duplicating WR knowledge of zone/man, route concepts..there are still plenty of pro level WR’s who make the wrong read on option routes..also others who have hard time learning how to find the soft spot in zone coverages..

if EA is able to duplicate that..then what happens..players scream..when their WR misreads coverage or has hard time finding soft spot in coverage

Double edge sword..but to be clear I want both, WR’s who don’t have understanding of there playbook, route concepts, finding soft spot in zone and WR’s smart enough to properly break off routes based on coverage


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[AUTiger1]

Re: Here is how NOT to throw interceptions (All Madden User/AI pass protection nerfed

I see a lot of people saying they get intercepted too much. I play on All Madden, and I nerf my own pass protection, yet I only throw interceptions when I do something stupid or get an unlucky bounce.


The video below shows the secret. But first...





Here is why you guys may be throwing picks:


(1) You're not throwing with anticipation. I saw a thread today where a guy said he was throwing with anticipation and still getting intercepted, yet he threw it AFTER the WR was already a couple of steps into his break. That's not throwing with anticipation. That's throwing late. This video shows actual anticipatory throwing. Compare it to that video.


(2) You're not making the right pre-snap read, and not adjusting properly post-snap. In the video below, I see that that the middle is open pre-snap (if there was one guy in the middle, we say it's closed). I know I have a post route, so if after the snap I don't see a safety move to the middle, I know that route is going to have a good chance.



(3) You're not adjusting post-snap. In the video below, my pre-snap read of the coverage was right, but I was surprised by a blitz up the middle. I'm on All Madden with nerfed pass protection, so I know I have to get rid of this ball quickly. My running back is running a rail route, but I see the safety following him, so no dumping off to him. The other safety drifts to my right, so my options are the dig route or the post. As I saw way more space in the deep middle, I chose the post. But again, a blitz is coming, so I have to get rid of it really early. So, I throw it with some air, and led the WR away from the other safety.





Overall, this was a successful pass because I made the right pre-snap read, I adjusted properly post-snap, I threw the ball with anticipation (my QB begins his throwing motion a split second before the WR makes his cut, which means I pressed the button even before that), and I put the proper amount of air under the ball to allow the WR to get it (noting that this was partially determined by the post-snap look which showed me that there was no one in the deep middle).


If you do this sort of thing every play, and know where your check downs are (and when NOT to use them - for example in this play where my running back was covered), know your progressions (but be ready to abort them if need be), you won't be intercepted nearly as much. It won't always work out this well. Sometimes you just have to take a sack, sometimes you're wrong about the coverage, etc. But if you do all of this, and practice the timing, your interceptions ought to go way down.







Here is the video demonstrating all this. At :48 I actually slow it way down so you can see the QB beginning to throw well before the WR makes his break.




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Yeah, I can do that and I do several times per game. I think the majority of uses can run that play successfully in that scenario every time. That's nothing like the two interceptions I posted. That's nothing like the QB not lobbing the pass on a go route (even with just tapping the button) and it getting picked despite the receiver having his defender beat by 2 or 3 steps.



I'm not going say anything else though because if I continue I'll get banned and I don't wanna get banned. Already been banned from one message board today.