Read option is broken

[feeq14]

I'm thinking this may be part of the greater problem with defensive pursuit being too strong. In previous maddens the read option was a two way read on the outside defender. If he crashed down you kept it, if he stayed at home you handed it off. However I noticed that in this madden if the outside defender crashes down he can make both plays at once. Ironically he isn't affected by the new motion physics and is able to alter course on a dime to make the play. If there was any place where the new physics should come into play it's on these plays as they rely on the defense making the wrong first step, but it doesn't matter cause they can easily correct. I tried this a bunch of different ways.

Edit- somehow there are folks who couldn't recognize the issue in the other video so I've reposted my latest video to explain the problem.

https://youtu.be/jH-ZnpA9wf8

[kennylc321]

Re: Read option is broken

The other issue, which has been an issue since I can remember is when you hit the RT for a speed burst, that triggers shed block so all the defenders are all over you.

[Cory Levy]

Re: Read option is broken

The other issue, which has been an issue since I can remember is when you hit the RT for a speed burst, that triggers shed block so all the defenders are all over you.

It's one of the game's ways of trying to teach players to be patient as a real life RB would be. Find your hole and then accelerate through it. You can't just get the hand off and instantly turn on the jets and glide wherever you want. The player motion this year also enforces this by making it harder to guide your players while they're sprinting.

It does get frustrating at times when it seems like defenders are all Insta-Free as soon as you turn on the jets but if you take the time to feel the process out it's pretty rewarding when you have that hole open up and can just bumrush right through it past the second level.

[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

I've tried so many things to see if they affect the play. No matter what I've done the unblocked defender is able to blow up the play either way.

[Juve]

Re: Read option is broken

Should show more than just one video. That defender could've simply just been reacting that way. It happens in the nfl. Not saying the option is broken, I dont use it enough to know, but a one clip example doesnt really support much

I've used the read option a hand full of times and haven't seen the CPU react like that at all

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[stinkubus]

Re: Read option is broken

Based on a very small sample size (probably no more than a dozen attempts) the AI always plays the QB on the option. I've had some success giving the ball to the RB. Out of some sets the hand off animation is much faster and it's actually a better play than the stock Inside Zone.

[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

Should show more than just one video. That defender could've simply just been reacting that way. It happens in the nfl. Not saying the option is broken, I dont use it enough to know, but a one clip example doesnt really support much

I've used the read option a hand full of times and haven't seen the CPU react like that at all

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What are your settings? Have you ever had a successful read option QB keep? I can post a ton of videos later.

[LBzrule]

Re: Read option is broken

It's one of the game's ways of trying to teach players to be patient as a real life RB would be. Find your hole and then accelerate through it. You can't just get the hand off and instantly turn on the jets and glide wherever you want. The player motion this year also enforces this by making it harder to guide your players while they're sprinting.

It does get frustrating at times when it seems like defenders are all Insta-Free as soon as you turn on the jets but if you take the time to feel the process out it's pretty rewarding when you have that hole open up and can just bumrush right through it past the second level.

Not that I disagree but the biggest thing we need to start thinking about especially for h2h games is that it doesn't work well. The guy on defense is sprinting around playing over the top of plays and actually is everywhere. So actually users on offense when they see a hole they need to be about to hit it full sprint. The 1 cut is a step in the right direction.

[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

Should show more than just one video. That defender could've simply just been reacting that way. It happens in the nfl. Not saying the option is broken, I dont use it enough to know, but a one clip example doesnt really support much

I've used the read option a hand full of times and haven't seen the CPU react like that at all

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More evidence for you

https://youtu.be/sujXfpSHEEs

[Juve]

Re: Read option is broken

More evidence for you

https://youtu.be/sujXfpSHEEs

Looked pretty good to me
=)

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[TheDominator273]

Re: Read option is broken

More evidence for you

https://youtu.be/sujXfpSHEEs

This video doesn't show anything wrong with read options. You hit some nice gains, the keep was there on occasion and the unblocked OLB made some football plays. Really not seeing an issue

[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

Should show more than just one video. That defender could've simply just been reacting that way. It happens in the nfl. Not saying the option is broken, I dont use it enough to know, but a one clip example doesnt really support much

I've used the read option a hand full of times and haven't seen the CPU react like that at all

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This video doesn't show anything wrong with read options. You hit some nice gains, the keep was there on occasion and the unblocked OLB made some football plays. Really not seeing an issue

You guys weren't listening to what I was saying in the video. Nice gains are possible but really only when the read is to hand off to the back. Go watch the video again. The keep by the QB is the part that's broken. In essence its no longer an option play it's an inside hb zone and it kills a whole offensive play style and the value if dual threat qbs

[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

Looked pretty good to me
=)

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I'm wondering if some of you know how the read option is supposed to work in the game...

If you look at the video, how many times was the qb blown up in the backfield? What was the appropriate read vs what actually happened? On the last play I pretty much spelled it out. I don't see how you guys don't get it. The read for qb keep will lead to a tackle for a loss 90% of the time because the DE can cover both the handoff and the keep. The video illustrates this. That's why the option is broken. I'm not saying it's not possible to get good gains l, I'm saying the play doesn't work the way its supposed.

[Juve]

Re: Read option is broken

I'm wondering if some of you know how the read option is supposed to work in the game...

If you look at the video, how many times was the qb blown up in the backfield? What was the appropriate read vs what actually happened? On the last play I pretty much spelled it out. I don't see how you guys don't get it. The read for qb keep will lead to a tackle for a loss 90% of the time because the DE can cover both the handoff and the keep. The video illustrates this. That's why the option is broken. I'm not saying it's not possible to get good gains l, I'm saying the play doesn't work the way its supposed.

To me, if it was "broken", it wouldnt work at all. Yet alone as many times as it did in the video

Difference of opinions I guess

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[feeq14]

Re: Read option is broken

To me, if it was "broken", it wouldnt work at all. Yet alone as many times as it did in the video

Difference of opinions I guess

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Broken means it doesn't work properly. It works only halfway. The READ part if the READ OPTION doesn't work. Its not a inside zone. Look at the video and see how many times the qb was hit in the back field despite making the appropriate read. You probably don't really run this play or don't understand the mechanics.