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  • Steve_OS
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    • Jul 2002
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    Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller



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  • TheBleedingRed21
    Game Dev
    • Oct 2010
    • 5069

    #2
    Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

    Hmm interesting to see him mention changes to a halftime show. Wonder exactly what has changed.
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    • scitychamps87
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      • Apr 2010
      • 1185

      #3
      Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

      I can't believe a 2k5 style wrap-up show got completely shot down.


      We don't need the highlights. Just give us pre-made snapshots or Larry Ridley talking about box scores, trades, playoff pictures, and league leaders. ANYTHING.

      I think Ben is a great addition to the franchise team. But, this isn't rocket science. There's common sense ways to get around the technical issues of the "whole loaf" goal so to speak and still give the Sim community a "slice" of happiness.

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      • canes21
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        • Sep 2008
        • 22742

        #4
        Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

        The video highlights aren't what made 2k5 or Choops 2k8's weekly recap shows as great as they were. I skipped the highlights more often than not after seeing them enough times I could tell you where every player went. What made them special was seeing results and stats from each game, seeing major injuries, seeing trade rumors heat up, seeing Cinderella stories come to life and be talked about, etc.


        The video highlights were near the bottom of the list if not at the bottom as to why those recap shows were so loved. It's the same thing with Choops 2k8 having a selection show in their legacy. It adds to the immersion. It was exciting to start the selection show and see if you made the tourney or to see if you got that final 1 seed. It was exciting to go from 0-3 to 3-3 in 2k5 and have Chris Berman talk about your team turning it around and surprising some folks. It was great seeing Chris Berman talk about the impact losing Santana Moss would have on the Jets. It was immersive to see everything that was talked about.


        If video highlights are what is keeping them from creating a show, then forget about them and create it now! Make this mode come to life finally. A recap show would do wonders for CFM and its lack of immersion.
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        • Cato06
          Rookie
          • Sep 2016
          • 288

          #5
          Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

          Originally posted by canes21
          The video highlights aren't what made 2k5 or Choops 2k8's weekly recap shows as great as they were. I skipped the highlights more often than not after seeing them enough times I could tell you where every player went. What made them special was seeing results and stats from each game, seeing major injuries, seeing trade rumors heat up, seeing Cinderella stories come to life and be talked about, etc.


          The video highlights were near the bottom of the list if not at the bottom as to why those recap shows were so loved. It's the same thing with Choops 2k8 having a selection show in their legacy. It adds to the immersion. It was exciting to start the selection show and see if you made the tourney or to see if you got that final 1 seed. It was exciting to go from 0-3 to 3-3 in 2k5 and have Chris Berman talk about your team turning it around and surprising some folks. It was great seeing Chris Berman talk about the impact losing Santana Moss would have on the Jets. It was immersive to see everything that was talked about.


          If video highlights are what is keeping them from creating a show, then forget about them and create it now! Make this mode come to life finally. A recap show would do wonders for CFM and its lack of immersion.
          This. Even if they just gave us some sort of news hub single page that broke down all the scores (not just a few stories) and key player stats, playoff picture, with screenshots in the background, maybe even a radio voice in the background talking about big games or future games coming up next week.

          EA is finally starting to use the word "immersion" when talking franchise, so that in itself might be a positive sign that they are starting to get it. But they really need to take a weekly show into consideration and not shoot it down so quickly. Nothing gets you more immersed than just sitting back and letting a highlight show bring everything to you. I don't even care if its fake highlights, i just want to see

          1) team records
          2) scores and key player stats
          3) upcoming schedule
          4) player achievements (milestones,weekly awards, yearly award leaders)
          5) college prospects
          6) playoff picture
          7) injury reports
          8) transactions


          all in one place.
          Last edited by Cato06; 06-18-2018, 08:31 PM.

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          • bigsmallwood
            MVP
            • Aug 2008
            • 1474

            #6
            Years later and still no real highlights or halftime/postgame/playoff game implications baked into it either. His 2K5 comments were off base as well...but whatever makes them feel like progress has been made in the presentation department. 
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            • goillini03
              MVP
              • Nov 2005
              • 1247

              #7
              Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

              There will never be immersion in Madden. I am now for certain of that fact.

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              • drugsbunny
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                • Apr 2015
                • 314

                #8
                I love how he danced around the questions about halftime and pre-game. I am a little disappointed about the location change teams not being changed.
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                • jmurphy31
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 2788

                  #9
                  Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                  Very disappointing to hear his thoughts on a weekly halftime show and even pregame.

                  1. Not everyone wants to get on the field as soon as possible. If they do hit x ot whatever button to skip it. Or how about talking about the league or game in the loading screens instead of showing me xp goals for my players.

                  2. As someone else mentioned 2ks wrap up show isnt just about the highlights. It was about giving you updates from around the league. Results, injuries, draft big boards, playoff standings, awards, etc. He also talks about Cannes animations getting stale yet they use can animations for the unrealistic starting line ups with linemen dancing and what not. or the canned Twitter timeline that i hardly even look at.

                  3. I enjoyed even the bare bones Extra Point show on Madden. simply because it talked about the league and what was going on in easy concise way.

                  I think one of the biggest issues is online franchises. I'm guessing it would be harder to create any type of weekly show with 32 users.

                  Adembroski when you were at ea what were talks for a wrap up show like.
                  Last edited by jmurphy31; 06-19-2018, 06:11 AM.

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                  • Patrick Kendrick
                    Just started!
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 3

                    #10
                    Yeah... Ok that's it. I'm done.  I haven't been impressed with what I've seen of Madden 19 (it looks exactly the same as it has the past 3 years with a few minor tweaks). They clearly don't get it and they likely never will. I had hoped with the previous Madden developer moving on things would change for the better but that was clearly a pipe dream. I should have known better. 

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                    • GiantBlue76
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 3287

                      #11
                      Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                      Wow... I'm just flabbergasted from watching that. I honestly don't understand what goes on in that studio, but it sure isn't an environment that fosters critical thinking or innovation. It seems that no matter who is being interviewed, the constant theme is how something "can't" be done. Whether it is Clint stating that it's hard to prevent the players from walking through walls after TDs to Ben saying they can't create a halftime/weekly wrap up show in CFM.

                      So let me get this straight... It's been 14 years and 3 consoles later and you can't even MATCH what was done with 2k5? So what if the hilights aren't real for single player games, you can do a lot of other things that don't involve the highlights. Even if they simply used canned screenshots from a library, or they crowd sourced plays from online games and took pictures. Online leagues can use the uploaded plays from the users to flash on the screen. You have to start somewhere in order to get this stuff going. His answers lead me to believe that they have nothing even designed for this. Basically, if they can't boil the entire ocean, then nothing will ever get implemented. Wow... just wow...

                      At this point it seems like you're more likely to purchase a winning lottery ticket than the Madden team ever "getting it". I now understand why some people leave there and get frustrated. What a waste.

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                      • Reed1417
                        MVP
                        • May 2012
                        • 6120

                        #12
                        Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                        Yeah it's sooooo frustrating to hear about a lack of a weekly wrap up show in CFM again. Literally all I want is the Extra Point show. Do I need to see a model of Larry Ridley pointing at a green screen to scores and stuff or highlights? Not at all. Have his voice over all that stuff and forget the highlights. You have to BUILD from something and when they had the Extra Point show that was perfect for me I watched it every week. They scrapped it because it "wasn't good enough" which ok fine, but I disagree. I am interested to see what the new halftime show looks like but seriously......Extra Point show. Do want.

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                        • canes21
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                          • Sep 2008
                          • 22742

                          #13
                          Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                          Originally posted by Reed1417
                          Yeah it's sooooo frustrating to hear about a lack of a weekly wrap up show in CFM again. Literally all I want is the Extra Point show. Do I need to see a model of Larry Ridley pointing at a green screen to scores and stuff or highlights? Not at all. Have his voice over all that stuff and forget the highlights. You have to BUILD from something and when they had the Extra Point show that was perfect for me I watched it every week. They scrapped it because it "wasn't good enough" which ok fine, but I disagree. I am interested to see what the new halftime show looks like but seriously......Extra Point show. Do want.

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                          If this is how it still was it'd be better than nothing. It was a great first step. The fact that it wasn't good enough should have meant they would have worked to improve it, not scrap it and never replace it 9 years later. There is just too much with this franchise I do not understand. They really seem to make their jobs 10x harder on themselves for whatever reason. Is the legacy code really so bad that it is the main issue or is leadership and vision the main problem?


                          Whatever it is, Madden fails to ever have a consistent identity and every year it seems like they want to be innovative and introduce something new for the back of the box, but they never want to work on polishing what is already there. I guess they hear all of the criticism and think all we want is brand new sparkling features, but most of us would rather have a game that had a year spent polishing everything in the game now.
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                          • triplechin
                            Pro
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 594

                            #14
                            Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                            In FIFA they save replays of goals, some fouls, and some saves. Then you can see them at the end of the match with different angles and such. You can do the same with Madden. Save TDs, turnovers, and late game 1st downs and you can use that as a beginning for a little halftime or wrap up show.
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                            • Kingd803
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                              • Feb 2013
                              • 397

                              #15
                              Re: Madden NFL 19: The Full Interview With Producer Ben Haumiller

                              Originally posted by GiantBlue76
                              Wow... I'm just flabbergasted from watching that. I honestly don't understand what goes on in that studio, but it sure isn't an environment that fosters critical thinking or innovation. It seems that no matter who is being interviewed, the constant theme is how something "can't" be done. Whether it is Clint stating that it's hard to prevent the players from walking through walls after TDs to Ben saying they can't create a halftime/weekly wrap up show in CFM.

                              So let me get this straight... It's been 14 years and 3 consoles later and you can't even MATCH what was done with 2k5? So what if the hilights aren't real for single player games, you can do a lot of other things that don't involve the highlights. Even if they simply used canned screenshots from a library, or they crowd sourced plays from online games and took pictures. Online leagues can use the uploaded plays from the users to flash on the screen. You have to start somewhere in order to get this stuff going. His answers lead me to believe that they have nothing even designed for this. Basically, if they can't boil the entire ocean, then nothing will ever get implemented. Wow... just wow...

                              At this point it seems like you're more likely to purchase a winning lottery ticket than the Madden team ever "getting it". I now understand why some people leave there and get frustrated. What a waste.
                              Hit the nail on the head. I wish we could convey this to EA some how. I mean how can they honestly look at NFL2k5 or see what nba 2k does and really, honestly think what they do even sniffs that. I would be embarrassed.

                              I follow basketball pretty casually. I do not know the x’s and o’s Of basketball at all. But I love nba 2k. I don’t even a quarter of the controls or special moves. But I really don’t care.

                              I love football with a passion. I’m not a football genius but I do know a bit. And I don’t buy madden. Even when it’s like $12 it don’t even interest me. I like the game of football more than I like the NFL.

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