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  • CasE32
    Rookie
    • Sep 2010
    • 13

    #1

    Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

    Does anyone find playing against CPU Warriors or some other fast paced teams extremelly frustrating? What's up with that transition offense? They are just pulling up 80% of offense within 5 seconds of the shot clock. Here below is the example. Please dont mind my offense. With what i have been doing i had 9 shot attempts with 1:05 time of possesion, they had 10 shots (opening attack) and 1:17 time possesion lol.

    Sliders are actually 40 - take inside shots, 70 - take close shots, 60 - take mid range, 45 - take 3 point shots.. Or are tendencies doing the damage. I will test with pull up in transition on 0 for all Warriors starting unit and see what happens. At the moment it just feels stupid. No matter what I do on defense they are playing like there is 5 seconds shot clock violation after defensive rebound. Your thoughts?



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  • fluent2332
    MVP
    • Aug 2005
    • 1735

    #2
    Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

    Wow. That is dumb indeed. lol.

    At first I was going to say that maybe because you were taking bad shots it was leaving your defense vulnerable, but there is no excuse for most of the shots they were taking. That is really bad and frankly 2K has seem to regressed big time in the AI department (both offense and defense).

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    • fluent2332
      MVP
      • Aug 2005
      • 1735

      #3
      Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

      Weird that no one really comments on this stuff. Does anyone else pay any attention to the AI in these games? I've seen several videos where the game is like a chaotic mess that doesn't make any sense in comparison to real NBA basketball.

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #4
        Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

        Transition Offense sucks for the CPU because more times than not, no matter who it is, they'll pull up for 3 even if you give them a clear lane to the basket.

        And by clear, I mean no one in front or to the side of you OR if the CPU has an advantage on fastbreak, they'll still pull up for 3.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • CasE32
          Rookie
          • Sep 2010
          • 13

          #5
          Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

          Its just frustrating to say the least. You just cant stop them doing that, that is the problem. After i missed my shot with Paul I immediately sprinted back and started guarding Curry but still... Curry pull up in transition tendency is 50, but that shouldn't mean he has to pull up in every other transition semi-opportunity. Transition offense/pace is just insane and is at the moment with out of the box tendencies/sliders unplayable.

          If anyone can stop them under 100 with 12 minutes quarter and default HOF sliders please post here.

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          • Peninc
            Rookie
            • Sep 2005
            • 371

            #6
            Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

            Originally posted by CasE32
            Its just frustrating to say the least. You just cant stop them doing that, that is the problem. After i missed my shot with Paul I immediately sprinted back and started guarding Curry but still... Curry pull up in transition tendency is 50, but that shouldn't mean he has to pull up in every other transition semi-opportunity. Transition offense/pace is just insane and is at the moment with out of the box tendencies/sliders unplayable.

            If anyone can stop them under 100 with 12 minutes quarter and default HOF sliders please post here.
            I'd be interested to see a proper video as evidence. One without you jacking up shots from 30 ft on every possession. We all know that typically leaves your transition defense scattered, and especially against players like Durant and Curry who are known to "hunt" for the three point shot, it's not the best way to demonstrate your point. Based on the video several of their shot attempts came when you were scrambling to cover them, as in not in good defensive position to contest. The only exception is the Klay Thompson shot.

            Do I think the CPU hunts for the three a little too much this year? Yes I do. I think a dev said it as well. Getting the game to mimic real life isn't easy. We want Curry to pull up when given a sliver of daylight just like real Curry but we don't want it in all situations. That's hard to account for and maybe it is heavy handed this year but I think it can be lived with.

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            • BegBy
              Banned
              • Feb 2009
              • 1212

              #7
              Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

              Roster edits help to a degree, for sure, but there's more to it than that. The hot potato passing thing happens a lot also when you shut them down on defense. They just spam laser guided 80mph passes until there's 1 second left and it inevitably gets chucked. Even with roster edits there's nothing that truly prevents either, leading me to believe that freelance offenses may be the culprit. I doubt it's actual plays because each team basically spams same play over and over again for the most part, and that doesn't really have a lot to do with fastbreak/transition.

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              • Bunselpower32
                Pro
                • Jul 2012
                • 947

                #8
                Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                Originally posted by Peninc
                I'd be interested to see a proper video as evidence. One without you jacking up shots from 30 ft on every possession. We all know that typically leaves your transition defense scattered, and especially against players like Durant and Curry who are known to "hunt" for the three point shot, it's not the best way to demonstrate your point. Based on the video several of their shot attempts came when you were scrambling to cover them, as in not in good defensive position to contest. The only exception is the Klay Thompson shot.

                Do I think the CPU hunts for the three a little too much this year? Yes I do. I think a dev said it as well. Getting the game to mimic real life isn't easy. We want Curry to pull up when given a sliver of daylight just like real Curry but we don't want it in all situations. That's hard to account for and maybe it is heavy handed this year but I think it can be lived with.

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                Bingo. You're not giving Griffin and Jordan, two of the best rebounders in the game, time to set and crash the boards for you. The Warriors are a lot of things, and undersized is one of them.

                Not only that, you aren't giving their defense time to set. If they aren't on your guys, then you shooting it that early means your guys aren't on their guys when the shift occurs. Now granted, that was a little extreme, but the defense is scattered and not set, and a good amount of those shots were open. Slowing the pace of the game down will help immensely, because the best transition defense is shooting a high percentage.

                Again, not making excuses for this game, believe me, go read the impressions thread and I've given this game the lambasting it deserves. But I'm not sure this is enough evidence for me to be convinced.
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                • fluent2332
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 1735

                  #9
                  Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                  Originally posted by Bunselpower32
                  Bingo. You're not giving Griffin and Jordan, two of the best rebounders in the game, time to set and crash the boards for you. The Warriors are a lot of things, and undersized is one of them.

                  Not only that, you aren't giving their defense time to set. If they aren't on your guys, then you shooting it that early means your guys aren't on their guys when the shift occurs. Now granted, that was a little extreme, but the defense is scattered and not set, and a good amount of those shots were open. Slowing the pace of the game down will help immensely, because the best transition defense is shooting a high percentage.

                  Again, not making excuses for this game, believe me, go read the impressions thread and I've given this game the lambasting it deserves. But I'm not sure this is enough evidence for me to be convinced.
                  Bro, I was thinking the same thing. Defense wasn't set, bad shots on offense, etc. But that video is not good. It does not resemble NBA basketball.

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                  • dramachild11
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 888

                    #10
                    Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                    this better be a troll thread, I almost NEVER post anything but the OP actually made me laugh out loud when I watched the video which is something I suspect was the point of the post either that or they were testing transition defense (and thats me being very generous with benefit of the doubt) or they know absolutely nothing about basketball... the fun part was watching GS miss all the open 3's, you got lucky son

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                    • Hustle Westbrook
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 3113

                      #11
                      Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                      Just the Warriors? I play with Indiana on Mycareer and I see the same crap. These guys watched a few Warriors highlights and lost their damn minds.

                      I can't even let the CPU handle the ball on the fastbreak because these guys are so obsessed with taking stepback 3s. It's so disgusting and infuriating watching Thaddeus Young and Paul George pull up for contested threes on the fastbreak. Leave that nonsense to Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and keep it to a minimum for the regular NBA players.
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                      • RNS1hunna
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 145

                        #12
                        Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                        I know this is off topic but you must be playing this on PC because the clippers court is actually right LOL


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                        • CasE32
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 13

                          #13
                          Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                          I made this video for testing purposes, I would never play that way if I wasnt trying to prove my point and open a discussion.

                          Yes, if helps a bit if I play half-court offense with running plays. They wont necessary pull up every transition chance. But after 1st quarter they would have 3 minutes less ball possesion.

                          I suspect the problems lies with:
                          a) transition offense is kinda broken, I have seen other guys who are terrible shooters pulling up from 3pt line/midrange when they had clear path to the hoop (and no, tendencies in sliders dont seem to help a lot)
                          b) Curry/Durant/Thompson all have 95+ touches/shot tendency. They are all trigger happy and shoot at the smallest opportunity.
                          c) Pull up in transition player slider needs to be lowered. Curry has 50, Durant 60 but they are madmans on transition. I hope patch can fix that but I am not sure if 2K is even aware of that problems. They probably have too much work with moaning online cheesers and offline/CPU matters gets overlooked.

                          And yes, this in on PC with modded Clippers court and jerseys and also rim sound. The only problem for PC is that we have to pray to even get the patch. If we do, its atleast 2 or 3 weeks later than PS4. But the modding possibilities are awesome to have.

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                          • CasE32
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 13

                            #14
                            Re: Playing against CPU Warriors/Transition offense

                            Also the other problem is that no matter what, offensive CPU in transition is running in the corner to spot up even when there is an opportunity for uncontested layup/dunk.
                            But on the other side lets say there is a 3 on 3 fastbreak. I am guarding a ballhandler but other defender is going to run in the paint even though CPU shooter is spotting in the corner. When i switch to him and try to contest the corner 3 its too late.

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