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  • jpdavis82
    All Star
    • Sep 2005
    • 8768

    #1

    IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking?

    I'm just interested to hear you guys' thoughts on this, I'm seeing a lot of disappointment surrounding CFM this year on here and I'm just wondering if the gameplay is good enough, will it be enough to keep your attention? There's also the presentation, which hasn't been spoken about much, but it's an important piece too.
  • oneamongthefence
    Nothing to see here folks
    • Apr 2009
    • 5681

    #2
    Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

    Yes. That's what's largely keeping me playing. I enjoy cfm but it would be a lot harder to stick with it if it was say Madden 09 gameplay.
    Because I live in van down by the river...

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    • DeuceDouglas
      Madden Dev Team
      • Apr 2010
      • 4297

      #3
      Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

      Nope. They're separate entities. I look at it like the real NFL. You spend damn near every single day of a calendar year for those 16 days. You hit the off-season and there is so much stuff going on. Then during the season there is constantly transactions, roster jumbling, head coach firings, etc. It never stops. Thursday/Sunday/Monday is only one day of the week and no matter how great gameplay could be, if you're lacking the details in what gets you to that point, it's never going to make up for that fact.

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      • m1ke_nyc
        10
        • Oct 2009
        • 3240

        #4
        Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

        Well the most important aspect of the game is gameplay. If its good then Yea I can overlook shortcomings on other areas as I will be enjoying the on the field product. Will it make up for it ? To an extent yes however I still want a complete package. They have been given far more than enough time to do that. What I want out of the game play is for it to be sim/realistic whichever term you prefer to use. And the additions need to work correctly on a consistent basis, and not be implemented halfway like how we get true step for the ball carrier and not the rest of the players or we get a passing pocket that develops a hand full of times a game. 60 calculations per second, ha.
        It’s easier to do the right thing, than to explain why you didn’t.

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        • Junior Moe
          MVP
          • Jul 2009
          • 3851

          #5
          Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

          It would for me. Good gamplay makes me overlook a lot of "small" stuff. I have resigned myself to the fact that CFM is not going to do it for me this year. But if the gameplay is good, not "good enough" (whatever that is), then that would suffice for me.

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          • Grey_Osprey
            Pro
            • Feb 2013
            • 750

            #6
            Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

            As a mainly offline franchise mode player, they are equally important. Personally, I could live with gameplay if they had a deep and immersive franchise/owners mode. CFM is not it. Just my humble opinion.

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            • roadman
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2003
              • 26342

              #7
              Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

              Lately, I play a season, get in and get out.

              If I don't need to mess with sliders for several months, then I would say ok, but they need to bring a lot to the game play table.

              And I'm a believer one side of the game is great, the other side isn't, everything should be great and balanced all around.

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              • ggsimmonds
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jan 2009
                • 11205

                #8
                Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                Not anymore. With great gameplay but disappointing CFM, it feels like you are playing a series of exhibition games from the front end.

                Like some others I am often short on time. That makes CFM more important in my view. I need to feel that when I sit down to play a game I am achieving something and it is time well spent. A good CFM does this.

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                • Reejer
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 191

                  #9
                  Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                  No.


                  Without depth, realism, and immersion, Madden gets mind numbingly boring after 1 season (and has been that way every year after M-06' PS2). If the gameplay is spot on, it might just make that 1 season more bearable.


                  I used to have to force myself away from playing Madden; now I have to force myself to play it.
                  Last edited by Reejer; 06-11-2015, 07:40 PM.

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                  • jpdavis82
                    All Star
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 8768

                    #10
                    Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                    Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                    Not anymore. With great gameplay but disappointing CFM, it feels like you are playing a series of exhibition games from the front end.

                    Like some others I am often short on time. That makes CFM more important in my view. I need to feel that when I sit down to play a game I am achieving something and it is time well spent. A good CFM does this.
                    I understand what you are saying, but what have you heard that makes you think it will feel like a series of exhibition games? Most of the complaints for CFM are about things like roster management, salary cap, scouting, the draft, free agency, etc... We haven't really started discussing presentation, which to me is what does or does not make it feel like a series of exhibition games. Last year they started doing more to make it feel like a real season was happening, they referenced the previous weeks results from a statistical standpoint and how a team ranked in different categories, also talked about teams upcoming schedules and around week 10 started talking about the Playoff Race with a banner to support it. Hopefully they will build off of that.

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                    • bucky60
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 3288

                      #11
                      Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                      For me, I'm not interested in Madden w/o a good franchise mode.

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                      • jpdavis82
                        All Star
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 8768

                        #12
                        Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                        Originally posted by bucky60
                        For me, I'm not interested in Madden w/o a good franchise mode.
                        Did you play 15?

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                        • ggsimmonds
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 11205

                          #13
                          Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                          Originally posted by jpdavis82
                          I understand what you are saying, but what have you heard that makes you think it will feel like a series of exhibition games? Most of the complaints for CFM are about things like roster management, salary cap, scouting, the draft, free agency, etc... We haven't really started discussing presentation, which to me is what does or does not make it feel like a series of exhibition games. Last year they started doing more to make it feel like a real season was happening, they referenced the previous weeks results from a statistical standpoint and how a team ranked in different categories, also talked about teams upcoming schedules and around week 10 started talking about the Playoff Race with a banner to support it. Hopefully they will build off of that.
                          I am completely skeptical that EA has drastically improved presentation. You cite last year's presentation improvements? You mean the improvements like stat banners and commentary? You mean those banners that usually had a statline of zeros across the board for my QB? The commentary that then said he would need to rebound from last weeks horrible game? And the playoff banner that disappeared two seconds after popping up? And the only commentary to support it was some amazingly vague "playoffs are near, lets have a look at the standings..."
                          And when commentary would cite my team's performance on offense they would more often that not have it reversed (e.g. top 10 in offense treated like a bottom 10)?

                          Presentation wise, well the cameras are nice.

                          I have zero confidence that presentation could carry CFM.

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                          • kjcheezhead
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 3118

                            #14
                            Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                            If the gameplay is good, I could find a mode to enjoy the game in some way. I'm not in the camp that thinks maddenball = good gameplay tho, and aggressive vs conservative catching controls don't have me believing we will get anything but another version of classic madden.

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                            • XtremeDunkz
                              CNFL Commissioner
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 3414

                              #15
                              Re: IF the gameplay is good enough, can it make up for what CFM appears to be lacking

                              As a commish and member of several online CCM's, yes it can. Only because the league masks a lot of issues since there is no cpu. But the gameplay has to be vastly improved. Man coverage needs to be feasible first and foremost or I will lose interest fast.
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