I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

[ogwilson]

Take a look at this, my 3QBs in connected franchise:



Zach Mettenberger has better throwing stats (sans 2 points less throw power than Locker) in all power and accuracy categories.

Yet, Locker can light up the field like Peyton Manning, while Mettenberger plays more like a peewee footballer.

The screenshot above doesn't show it, but confidence should not be the issue. Mettenberger's confidence is consistently in the 80s while Locker's is in the mid-70s, so he's playing true to his stats.

For years people always said awareness makes no difference for user controlled QBs, and while that should make sense, I'm starting to wonder if awareness actually does affect QB accuracy at some point.

48 awareness is alarmingly low for a QB and the only reason I haven't upgraded it yet is because I was under the impression it does nothing if you're controlling him (also because EA doesn't give you enough time to train your players week to week and it's incredibly difficult to get enough XP points to commit to it).

So with awareness being the only major disadvantage of Mettenberger's, is it possible that this could affect his throwing accuracy even if I'm controlling him? I can't find ANY other explanation and it's making me mad.

[ogwilson]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

Oh and for the record, Locker's awareness is 69. Teehee.

[ECPackers]

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sorry, just wanted to quick point out...

i see people using "sans" as a drop in word all the time... its actual meaning is "without"... so, you basically said "without 2 points less throw power than locker", which is the opposite of what you actually meant. (which was "with 2 points less throw power")


k, sorry. heh, just thought i'd throw that out there.



my opinion is that, EA has secret, unchangeable ratings you cannot see, that factor in how well a player plays anyway...

[mercalnd]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

sorry, just wanted to quick point out...

i see people using "sans" as a drop in word all the time... its actual meaning is "without"... so, you basically said "without 2 points less throw power than locker", which is the opposite of what you actually meant. (which was "with 2 points less throw power")


k, sorry. heh, just thought i'd throw that out there.

He actually had it right. He meant that Mettenberger's throwing stats are better, with the exception of the 2 points less on throw power.

[Noodles121]

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He actually had it right. He meant that Mettenberger's throwing stats are better, with the exception of the 2 points less on throw power.

*BOOM, HEADSHOT*

[BTownSlinger]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

If you are using controlling then I'd say it's in your head, or poor decisions etc that makes you think Zach is worse.

AWR has no affect on user controlled players and I believe that. I've played with 0 AWR QB's (created player, lower salary this way) and there aren't any downsides to it.

[jagsfanforlife88]

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This is happened to me before mainly in ncaa but i think the concept is the same. I've have done better with qbs that have lesser stats than the other qb but yet i do better. I think its a combo of the way he throws, like his "release point" and some qbs seem to havea quicker throwing motion which helps. Sometimes with more accuate qbs you dont have to use the lead throw as much cuz it will be on target whereas with less accurate qbs you have to lead more/do more user assists to make the ball go where you want..idk if that made sense to you but yeah i have dealth with this before

[nuckles2k2]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

He actually had it right. He meant that Mettenberger's throwing stats are better, with the exception of the 2 points less on throw power.

Sans doesn't mean "with the exception of" tho. It means without/absent/minus.

Packers had it right.


On topic:

It does seem like the QBs with a higher awareness have a better chance of success than QBs with a lower awareness.

I actually have a CFM w/ the Titans where Locker got hurt in a game, against the Jags, where I was slicing them up thru the air. I chose to go with Mettenberger over Whitehurst and suddenly the line couldn't block anymore and no one was getting open.

But it doesn't seem to be a guaranteed thing tho, because I still went with Mettenberger as the starter in the next game, and things went noticeably better.

It's weird, but there's definitely something at play with awareness in the game.

[Potatoes002]

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Believe what you will, but from years of playing and testing NCAA I came to the conclusion that Awareness actually affects user-controlled QBs. The O-line will block better, the WRs will run and catch more effectively. I know EA says differently, and with the whole mess of sliders/ratings this game's foundation is built on, I don't blame them by saying user-QB Awareness does not do anything....because well it shouldn't. I am still convinced it does.

[LordHorc]

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Did you check his abilities? I wonder if something like "throws a tight spiral" or whatever traits the QBs have, has some effect on it.

[Shon 23]

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Man, I don't know what you're going on about awareness making Mett suck, but I'll just ignore that and comment on Mett's abilities in-game.

I actually got to watch the kid in real life, after my 20th year with LSU season tickets (been to all three BCS Nat'l Championships, and at the last one too unfortunately, so yes there is some bias here).

Mett was a deer in headlights when the pressure came (decimated o-line though too) in his first year starting, not keeping his feet under him and his arms just flailing all about, sometimes causing fumbles... BUT, after one year under our o-coordinator Cam Cameron and having a healthy o-line in his 2nd year, he improved tremendously. It proves he is very coachable. With that said, he just needs a few things to be a very successful QB in the NFL. First, a really good o-line (what QB doesn't), as he is a pure pocket passer and is not mobile by any means. He needs to stay healthy, as he did tear that ACL, and there were reports he had a lower-back condition that could cause him problems in the NFL, but he passed that test. Third, and probably most important, he needs to learn the NFL game overall as a leading QB, making adjustments and pre-reads in his mind off of a D, before the snap. He reminds, me a lot of Joe Flacco, tall and lanky (same type of build, but Mett could use a little more muscle), pure pocket passer with a very, very strong arm.

Now to Mett, in-game in M15. Mett is excellent, especially for being a rookie, so I don't know what you are talking about.

Mett's throwing accuracy is already good enough across the board, where you don't even have to touch them first, and can just start dropping points into his throwing power (at 93). I can't believe Locker has a higher throwing power at 95, lol..

EA definitely got some things right though with him, his speed is like 66, as he his not mobile AT ALL, and his acceleration is 65.. which is ironic considering his throw on the run is 75. lol..

I started an online CFM with the Rams, benched Shaun Hill after a terrible 1st game against the Vikings, started Case Keenum, and began to develop his throwing accuracies across the board. Hill had great short to medium throw accuracy, but Keenum had an 88 deep throw accuracy compared to Hill's 66, that sealed it, because I kept getting errant passes with Hill on intermediate and deep routes. Keenum's short to medium throw accuracies were in the mid to high 70's as well (got them into the low 80's). So with that, Keenum was an average starter that could get me some wins. Only knock on the young guy, his throw power is a bit low.

Now, Keenum went out for the year, mid-season with a fractured elbow. Hill went out for the year after that with a dislocated hip. Now, I'm using FAs Kevin Kolb and my backup is Thad Lewis. Ugh.

With all this said, I plan on doing what I can for the future of the Rams, and trying to trade for Mett. The perfect pocket passer I'm looking for. I already have a pretty good o-line to block for him. A quality QB is the only thing I need with the Rams' D already regarded as one of the best front 7's in the game (when healthy).

I waited too long into the season to think of picking him up via trade, so I don't know what I'll have to give up for him, and I don't know how different the CPU's trade logic is this year. He should be valuable to them, even if he is only a rookie.. and they did JUST draft him. Currently, he is rated 59 OVR, the Titans have 4 QBs with Mett, and Mett isn't even listed on the depth chart. Jake Locker, Brian Hoyer (who's actually the starter), and Charlie Whitehurst is on there. lol..

Anyways, the guy is the perfect project for a pure pocket passer as long as you have a good pass-blocking o-line. A ton of upside being so young (23 as a rookie) with those starting throwing accuracy stats. Just dump points into his throw power early on, and then eventually get his throwing accuracy ratings into the 80's-90's, while also working on his play-action a little. More than capable enough for a great starting QB. I'm almost done with my first season as the Rams, and I hope and look forward to trying to trade for him.

Especially since my first draft class isn't deep at all in quality-projected QBs. The one I WAS eyeing eventually had a draft story pop up about him forgoing his senior year to get his MBA, while he said he is still expecting to get drafted eventually, then he disappeared from this off-season's draft class. He was a vertical threat, pocket passing QB. He was projected as a 1st round, 31st pick (I'm currently 8 and 4). I was thinking hard on picking him up, but not now...

[Sheba2011]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

Sans doesn't mean "with the exception of" tho. It means without/absent/minus.

Packers had it right.

Using the definition "minus" the OP's statement would be correct....

To the OP,

It sounds like it's just something in your head or you are just having bad luck with Met in the game. I use him in on of my test CFM's and he is a beast.

[therewillbechud]

Re: I can't figure out why Zach Mettenberger sucks.

I think it's just a personal thing. After playing about 20 online head to head games with the Colts, and experimenting with them the most, I've come to the conclusion that I just can't throw with Luck. It doesn't mean he sucks by any means, just that I can't make it work with him. Give me your average 88 arm power 75 acc QB and I'll take you to the promise land though.

[MaddenFan676]

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He is a beast in my CFM.

yeah. you are right...

[NuclearPalsy]

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I think awareness effects human controlled player quite a bit. It's the difference between an overthrow/underthrow or leading a WR and hitting him in stride.

Like being able to throw a lob pass while before the WR breaks his route but knowing to throw it to where he will be instead of where it looks like he is going.