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  • Matt10
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2006
    • 16523

    #1

    PES 2011 was better than PES 2014 :)

    With global edits - even more so! (even at default PES 11 is better than PES 14, honestly. yes, console players could global edit too )

    <iframe width="750" height="422" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/VberEkrTZvU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Option file download (compatible with Smoke Patch 3.7):

    Everton (USER) vs Newcastle (CPU)
    *using 2011 option file of course*
    - 20 mins, Top Player, 0 Game Speed, 0.90 Kitserve Speeder

    A blast from the past - Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 for the PC. One of the best ever, and I believe it just did not get the chance it deserved in terms of editing global stats.

    The reason for some edits is because PES 2011 had a great BASE to work with, however - there were some quirks that made it a bit too easy even on the hardest of difficulties. I addressed these by making sure the FUNDAMENTALS are there. So player's response, aggression and balance are all taken into equation. Then you have the team tactics/settings with a universal fundamental. There is still so much customization - but as long as you use these as the fundamental (and not changing them) you will experience solid gameplay throughout. This still allows exceptional individuality for your team, so players will not play the same throughout - that's the beauty of PES 2011 after all!

    If you're savvy with the global editor, feel free to try out the following edits that I've made:

    Link to editor by w!Ld@: http://www.moddingway.com/file/6194.html

    Matt10 Tweak to Smoke Patch 3.7 Option File for PES 2011:
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    You can apply these tweaks manually or through the .XML file so you can play with any option file/patch of your choosing
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    I've made the following changes to improve the gameplay significantly for PES 2011.

    ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK RESPONSE = 99
    ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK AGGRESSION = 99
    ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK BALANCE = 99

    A/D AWARENESS = SOLELY DEF MINDED
    COVERING = TRUE
    COVERING: Removed from CB, SB, DMF
    MAN MARKING: all SB, CB, DMF, AMF and CMF
    BOX TO BOX: all SMF
    Removed from all DMF
    ENFORCER: Applied to all DMF
    Removed from CB

    UNTUCKED SHIRTS = TRUE

    SUPPORT RANGE = 100
    POSITION SWITCH = 0
    PRESSING = 75
    COMPACTNESS = 0
    --------------------------------------------

    Install directions (BACK UP ORIGINAL FILES IN YOUR FOLDERS FIRST!!!):

    Option File - simply extract the EDIT.BIN file to your /documents/Konami/PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2011/SAVE folder - this should overwrite the existing EDIT.BIN (BACK IT UP FIRST!)

    If you want to apply the Tweaks to a different Option File, follow these instructions:

    You must have PES EDITOR by w!Ld@: http://www.moddingway.com/file/6194.html

    Extract all files to your desktop or any folder you can find easily.
    Load your EXISTING Edit.BIN from PES EDITOR. Go to Global Functions TAB. On the bottom right you will see where it says: "MUlitple Changes of Player Abilities (OF Tweak)":
    - Below that will be a button to click (right above, to the right, of Record Macro - should have three dots "..." ) - locate the .XML file from my .RAR download.
    - Once loaded, click APPLY - wait for it to install each Tweak, then it will finish with logs of what was edited.

    THAT'S IT - YOU'RE DONE! ENJOY THE GAME AND PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL (Matt10L) AS I WILL MAKE CHANGES THERE AND UPLOAD VIDEOS TO SUPPORT. THIS GAME IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN PES 2014
    NOW - AND I REALLY DO HOPE PES 2015 CAN LIVE UP TO IT AS WELL. ENJOY!

    Matt10
    Last edited by Matt10; 07-24-2014, 09:53 PM.
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  • Ermolli
    MVP
    • Jul 2009
    • 3315

    #2
    Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

    I thought it was known and accepted that PES 2011 was better than 2014 or at least that's what I've got from reading several PES forums. After trying once again playing PES 2014 after installing all the patches I still find it quite unplayable and a mess so i went back to PES 5 which I'm having lots of fun, I'll try to give this a try though.

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    • JODYE
      JB4MVP
      • May 2012
      • 4834

      #3
      Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

      Wow the lighting in this version is incredible.

      Gameplay wise, everything looks and moves as it should. Really impressive. Might have to give this a try.
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      • Matt10
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2006
        • 16523

        #4
        Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

        Originally posted by Ermolli
        I thought it was known and accepted that PES 2011 was better than 2014 or at least that's what I've got from reading several PES forums. After trying once again playing PES 2014 after installing all the patches I still find it quite unplayable and a mess so i went back to PES 5 which I'm having lots of fun, I'll try to give this a try though.
        Love PES 5, man. I'm in 5th year with Inter in my ML - just a blast. Can't wait to get this going as well on the side. Try it out - let me know. I made edits too on the bottom of the OP as well.

        Originally posted by 13
        Wow the lighting in this version is incredible.

        Gameplay wise, everything looks and moves as it should. Really impressive. Might have to give this a try.
        Yeah, the lighting was spot on - I know having a Day/Night and Afternoon created a lot more variety, not to mention the occasional rain as well. I adjust my color in the game option as well to everything +6 except Brightness +3 and Red -6; looks great.
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        • Ermolli
          MVP
          • Jul 2009
          • 3315

          #5
          Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

          Originally posted by Matt10
          Love PES 5, man. I'm in 5th year with Inter in my ML - just a blast. Can't wait to get this going as well on the side. Try it out - let me know. I made edits too on the bottom of the OP as well.



          Yeah, the lighting was spot on - I know having a Day/Night and Afternoon created a lot more variety, not to mention the occasional rain as well. I adjust my color in the game option as well to everything +6 except Brightness +3 and Red -6; looks great.
          My first game of PES 5 since I reinstalled it was Inter-Milan, those teams were stacked and I liked playing with a not so old Recoba since he's one of my favorite players (and I remember being Seabass favorite too).

          Do you recommend me to download every PES 2011 update to play with that patch and settings?

          Edit: What do you mean by A/D AWARENESS = SOLELY DEF MINDED? What input should I put in the PES Editor?
          Last edited by Ermolli; 07-24-2014, 07:45 PM.

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          • Matt10
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2006
            • 16523

            #6
            Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

            Originally posted by Ermolli
            My first game of PES 5 since I reinstalled it was Inter-Milan, those teams were stacked and I liked playing with a not so old Recoba since he's one of my favorite players (and I remember being Seabass favorite too).

            Do you recommend me to download every PES 2011 update to play with that patch and settings?

            Edit: What do you mean by A/D AWARENESS = SOLELY DEF MINDED? What input should I put in the PES Editor?
            I just downloaded Smoke Patch 3.7 - it came with the update to 1.03 (really it's just the executable) and from there added my own smoother turf (http://www.moddingway.com/file/20866.html) since I'll playing English football.

            A/D Awareness is the Attack/Defensive awareness. Within the editor it's located under "Other" right after Market Price. When you select it change the Operation to "=" and the Value will change from 1 to "Solely Attack minded" by default - change this to "Solely Defence Minded".

            Here the changes sticking since my Lam Matteo ML is about to start:

            ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK RESPONSE = 99
            ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK AGGRESSION = 99
            ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT GK BALANCE = 99

            A/D AWARENESS = SOLELY DEF MINDED
            COVERING = TRUE
            COVERING: Removed from CB, SB, DMF
            MAN MARKING: all SB, CB, DMF, AMF and CMF
            BOX TO BOX: all SMF
            Removed from all DMF
            ENFORCER: Applied to all DMF
            Removed from CB

            UNTUCKED SHIRTS = TRUE

            SUPPORT RANGE = 100
            POSITION SWITCH = 0
            PRESSING = 75
            COMPACTNESS = 0
            Last edited by Matt10; 07-24-2014, 09:19 PM.
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            • Matt10
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2006
              • 16523

              #7
              Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

              It seriously doesn't get any better than this. Played this in "fixed" mode (control one player) and Player Camera. Used Torress - epic failed a couple of times, lol - but was so much fun. Kalou got booked for diving! That doesn't happen in ANY game right now.

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              • Ermolli
                MVP
                • Jul 2009
                • 3315

                #8
                Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                I tried playing but I'm not sure if it's the framerate but it wasn't smooth, I don't have great gaming laptop but I could play PES 2014 lag free with minimum settings, any way to fix that? I remember there was a workaround with kitserver but can't remember.

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                • Matt10
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 16523

                  #9
                  Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                  Originally posted by Ermolli
                  I tried playing but I'm not sure if it's the framerate but it wasn't smooth, I don't have great gaming laptop but I could play PES 2014 lag free with minimum settings, any way to fix that? I remember there was a workaround with kitserver but can't remember.
                  Not sure, man. I know blur is on so that could be it? There are a lot of things going on with the crowd compared to PES 2014 as well. You might want to try low-medium settings just to see the difference.

                  Also, if you have kitserver - check the config file for the LOD settings - might just lower them all.
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                  • Ermolli
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 3315

                    #10
                    Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                    So I tried playing again a few games but there were some stuff I didn't like: there was no acceleration or speed between players, having quick wingers and strikers I couldn't take advantage of going through slow defenders; I felt I didn't have much control of my players and many times they were in rails and couldn't do much to avoid it; my SB SMF and wingers didn't make overlap runs forward, there was very little movement overall by players; keepers still made some bad plays. Think there were more things but those are what I remember right now.

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                    • Matt10
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 16523

                      #11
                      Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                      Originally posted by Ermolli
                      So I tried playing again a few games but there were some stuff I didn't like: there was no acceleration or speed between players, having quick wingers and strikers I couldn't take advantage of going through slow defenders; I felt I didn't have much control of my players and many times they were in rails and couldn't do much to avoid it; my SB SMF and wingers didn't make overlap runs forward, there was very little movement overall by players; keepers still made some bad plays. Think there were more things but those are what I remember right now.
                      Give it a couple more games! Are you using manager tactics? For testing I just go to gameplan before the match and just select the "Balanced" option - and the squad/formation/strategy, etc is auto selected.

                      Slow defenders is just that thing about PES 11 though, it's hard to dribble - very hard actually. The current tweak I'm working on for the next update is just that - getting the dribbling accurate because yes the defenders simply do not get beat on the dribble. I saw Aguero do this last night though so I will be using his "template" as a base to start from.

                      But make sure you do the gameplan and just let the manager control on Offensive or Balanced. I'll get a couple more videos up - but as you can see in mine how much movement there was from every player.

                      If you truly stop seeing it - simply use the global editor and change the RB/LB/SB Attack/Defensive (A/D) to Balanced or even Offensive. You can do the same with the other players too if you wish but I wouldn't recommend it as everyone will be all out attacking with zero defensive care.
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                      • Ermolli
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 3315

                        #12
                        Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                        Matt did you make any changes or improvements? Didn't have a chance to play again during the weekend but wanted to know if you've done some tweaks.

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                        • Matt10
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 16523

                          #13
                          Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                          Originally posted by Ermolli
                          Matt did you make any changes or improvements? Didn't have a chance to play again during the weekend but wanted to know if you've done some tweaks.
                          No tweaks, but I did experiment a bit more with the effectiveness of special abilities, etc - take a look:

                          <iframe width="750" height="422" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/NtuwKL4OXGo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          In this video I'm showing raw gameplay after modifying only the following in the PES Editor 11:

                          - All players Special Abilities = TRUE
                          - All players Special Abilities - Side & Centre = FALSE
                          - All teams defensive line +20%

                          As you can see the game plays quite nice. There are some things that can be adjusted by position, and that is what I will be working on next.
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                          • SimonDD
                            Just started!
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 9

                            #14
                            Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                            with all patches and brodcast pes 2014 - best

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                            • Matt10
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 16523

                              #15
                              Re: PES 2011 was better than PES 2014

                              Originally posted by SimonDD
                              with all patches and brodcast pes 2014 - best
                              Did it - done it - and it's nothing near PES 2011. One big fault is the lack of defensive line in PES 2014. The back four always follow the man into the box. This is why you can easily run down the flanks and cross in easily. Not to mention they back off to follow the run as well, so the player with the ball can just run at will.
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