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  • JoeRyan33
    It's RBIs or ribbies
    • Jan 2008
    • 1005

    #1

    JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

    Pretty much done modifying these. Absolutely thrilled with how the game plays now, feels massively improved. Enjoy.

    Main issues with the game on default:
    • Fielder's throws too strong.
    • Base runner speed and fielder's overpowered throws combined led to plays never developing, made fielding feel choppy.
    • Fielders moving too quickly, outfielders running balls down too easily.
    • Opposing pitcher control too good, even back end starters hitting the corners with ease and locating pitches at the knees too much.
    • A few too many foul balls from CPU.
    • Too many hits were liners splitting the gaps.
    • CPU overly disciplined, rarely ever chasing good breaking pitches.


    I use zone+analog hitting, and pure analog pitching with the analog meter made as small as possible. This way it makes control difficult without having to adjust the user control slider and having the negative effect upon cpu contact.

    I turned the throwing meter off on defense for the sake of animations and smoother play. I find my throws get erratic using it.

    Camera Angles I use:


    Based on Offset Catcher. I feel this view gives a good view of the ball coming in, definitely hit better on this than the views based on the Catcher cam.

    New preliminary set (work in progress): May 22

    Human Contact - 5
    Human Power - 4
    Human Timing - 8
    Stride Difficulty - 5
    Human Foul Frequency - 4
    Human Solid Hits - 2
    Human Starter Stamina - 5
    Human Reliever Stamina - 2
    Human Pitch Control - 3
    Human Pitcher Consistency - 5
    CPU Contact - 2
    CPU Power - 4
    CPU Timing - 8
    CPU Foul Frequency - 4
    CPU Solid Hits - 2
    CPU Starter Stamina - 5
    CPU Reliever Stamina - 2
    CPU Pitcher Control - 1
    CPU Pitcher Consistency - 5
    CPU Strike Frequency - 2
    CPU Manager Hook - 7
    CPU Pickoffs - 5
    Pitch Speed - 10
    Fielding Errors - 5
    Throwing Errors - 5
    Fielder Run Speed – 0
    Fielder Reaction - 0
    Fielder Arm Strength - 3 ! (Testing at 3)
    Baserunner Speed - 6
    Baserunner Steal Ability - 7
    Baserunner Steal Frequency - 5
    Wind - 4
    Injury Frequency - 5


    Slider settings Old settings, retired

    Human Contact - 5
    Human Power - 6
    Human Timing - 8
    Stride Difficulty - 5
    Human Foul Frequency - 4
    Human Solid Hits - 2
    Human Starter Stamina - 5
    Human Reliever Stamina - 2
    Human Pitch Control - 3
    Human Pitcher Consistency - 5
    CPU Contact - 2
    CPU Power - 6
    CPU Timing - 8
    CPU Foul Frequency - 4
    CPU Solid Hits - 2
    CPU Starter Stamina - 5
    CPU Reliever Stamina - 2
    CPU Pitcher Control - 1
    CPU Pitcher Consistency - 5
    CPU Strike Frequency - 2
    CPU Manager Hook - 7
    CPU Pickoffs - 5
    Pitch Speed - 10
    Fielding Errors - 5
    Throwing Errors - 5
    Fielder Run Speed – 0
    Fielder Reaction - 0
    Fielder Arm Strength - 2
    Baserunner Speed - 0
    Baserunner Steal Ability - 7 (9)
    Baserunner Steal Frequency - 5
    Wind - 4
    Injury Frequency - 5

    Improvements due to sliders:
    • Ball comes off the bat with proper zip, gets over fielder's heads, gets into the corners for extra base hits.
    • Constant weak gappers are a thing of the past.
    • CPU will now chase pitches, breaking balls actually get swings and misses.
    • Greatly reduced bat through ball animations.
    • Much better variety of hits and outcomes, looks like baseball.
    • CPU pitchers pitch smart, but can't simply paint the corner at will.
    • Baserunner speeds and arm strength matched to real life times.
    • Pitch speed now like real life.
    Last edited by JoeRyan33; 05-31-2012, 05:19 PM. Reason: Testing Arm Strength at 3 (Upped to 3)
    May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

    Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

    CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/
  • hysteria499
    Rookie
    • Jan 2011
    • 266

    #2
    Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

    did you try using TNK's? To me his are pretty good. I will also give yours a try and give you my thoughts.

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    • JoeRyan33
      It's RBIs or ribbies
      • Jan 2008
      • 1005

      #3
      Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

      Originally posted by hysteria499
      did you try using TNK's? To me his are pretty good. I will also give yours a try and give you my thoughts.
      Most of what I was trying here are based on TNK's work.

      One big issue I was having which I'm working to address are the unwillingness of the CPU to chase balls just out of the zone. I dropped CPU contact and power to 4. It seems to be working so far, can get guys to chase on good sliders, etc. I got Jason Heyward to chase on a high fastball and low slider and miss like he seems to IRL.

      I've also been messing around with the base runner speed and clocking it with a stopwatch. Fpr example, at base runner speed of 2, I clocked Michael Bourn at 4.1 from point of contact to first base. Dan Uggla I nailed on a stolen base attempt (1B to 2B), close play, and clocked him at 3.4 seconds. IRL, 3.2 seconds is the accepted time you need to best to be successful on most base stealing attempts.

      Work in progress. I appreciate you trying them out... I'll update them after I test some more. I want to get these down in time for starting my franchise.
      May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

      Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

      CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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      • JoeRyan33
        It's RBIs or ribbies
        • Jan 2008
        • 1005

        #4
        Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

        The more I test, the more I feel influenced by Bobhead's sliders. They may look a bit extreme, but he's on to a few things that no other set seems to be adequately addressing.
        May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

        Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

        CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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        • hysteria499
          Rookie
          • Jan 2011
          • 266

          #5
          Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

          I've tried them out a little with the time I have and they do seem to not always chase like they do in RL. Base running to me is just kind of a problem over all in this game. Hopefully it can get smoothed out overall.

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          • JoeRyan33
            It's RBIs or ribbies
            • Jan 2008
            • 1005

            #6
            Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

            Originally posted by hysteria499
            I've tried them out a little with the time I have and they do seem to not always chase like they do in RL. Base running to me is just kind of a problem over all in this game. Hopefully it can get smoothed out overall.
            Made some pretty big changes to them now. The only big remaining issue for me is whether or not to tone down the CPU hitting just a bit. CPU pitching is where I want it to be.
            May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

            Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

            CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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            • Fcshuckers73
              Pro
              • Sep 2011
              • 736

              #7
              Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

              Gonna try these later tonight when the wife goes to bed. I have also based my sliders off TNK....But I am tempted to try yours.....I too want a set the makes the cpu chase pitches and #5 starters not paint the black.....I was using 2/2/2 for cpu pitching sliders.....getting about 60 to 68% strike percentage from cpu....what kind of strike percentage are you getting with this set? And bout how many walks are you drawing a game? Thank you for taking the time to make this great game even better!

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              • JoeRyan33
                It's RBIs or ribbies
                • Jan 2008
                • 1005

                #8
                Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                Originally posted by Fcshuckers73
                Gonna try these later tonight when the wife goes to bed. I have also based my sliders off TNK....But I am tempted to try yours.....I too want a set the makes the cpu chase pitches and #5 starters not paint the black.....I was using 2/2/2 for cpu pitching sliders.....getting about 60 to 68% strike percentage from cpu....what kind of strike percentage are you getting with this set? And bout how many walks are you drawing a game? Thank you for taking the time to make this great game even better!
                You could try dropping the pitch control down to 2. I've been trying it between 2 and 3...not really seeing them paint the black too often. I've been facing mostly #1's and 2's in exhibition games.

                The pitch speed was the big change I made today, and I find I actually strike out a bit less since I feel I can time the fastball at proper speed.
                May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

                Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

                CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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                • Fcshuckers73
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 736

                  #9
                  Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                  wow, pitch speed at ten and on hof is a bit intimidating! i am 39 and i kno my reflexes arent that good. I am gonna try these but i am going with 2/2/2 as my cpu pitch sliders. i also use timing hitting and classoc pitching.....my pitch sliders are normally 5/4......ill try and get back with you on how it went

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                  • JoeRyan33
                    It's RBIs or ribbies
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1005

                    #10
                    Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                    Originally posted by Fcshuckers73
                    wow, pitch speed at ten and on hof is a bit intimidating! i am 39 and i kno my reflexes arent that good. I am gonna try these but i am going with 2/2/2 as my cpu pitch sliders. i also use timing hitting and classoc pitching.....my pitch sliders are normally 5/4......ill try and get back with you on how it went
                    No problem man... it's really not too bad on 10, definitely more realistic but it's something you can set to individual preference.

                    I uploaded my set to the vault, under the PSN Playmus.
                    May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

                    Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

                    CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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                    • Fcshuckers73
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 736

                      #11
                      Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                      Originally posted by JoeRyan33
                      No problem man... it's really not too bad on 10, definitely more realistic but it's something you can set to individual preference.

                      I uploaded my set to the vault, under the PSN Playmus.
                      I am loading the set from op cept for the changes i mentioned....playing my cub franchise....game 11 garza against josh johnson

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                      • JoeRyan33
                        It's RBIs or ribbies
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 1005

                        #12
                        Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                        Originally posted by Fcshuckers73
                        I am loading the set from op cept for the changes i mentioned....playing my cub franchise....game 11 garza against josh johnson
                        The set I loaded on there has user pitch control at 3. I've set that to 2 in the latest set.

                        I noticed that raising the timing window on hitting makes hitting a lot easier.. balls that would have been fouled off probably end up in play. As soon as I changed it from 6 to 7, I was putting more balls in play and hit my first home run in a couple of games.

                        Making it 7 for the CPU is definitely too high... they put too many balls in play.
                        Last edited by JoeRyan33; 04-13-2012, 02:20 AM.
                        May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

                        Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

                        CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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                        • JoeRyan33
                          It's RBIs or ribbies
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1005

                          #13
                          Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                          After reading bobhead's thread, maybe you can have the higher timing window if you adjust the foul ball frequency back up.

                          I was using 6, upped to 7 for user and felt I was able to get contact on more balls... more it seems it was at the cost of foul balls.. might try foul balls at 4 and timing window at 7.

                          I'll work with it later to see what I can do. I tried hitting on All-Star and it felt like I was cheating getting hits on balls I shouldn't have. Maybe I've just been conditioned to HOF now.
                          Last edited by JoeRyan33; 04-13-2012, 02:08 PM.
                          May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

                          Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

                          CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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                          • WeimaBrewer
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 79

                            #14
                            Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                            So you are using HOF pitching and batting? What hitting camera are you using?

                            I've tried Psycho's slider for a while and the CPU hit every pitch I would throw. I mean there PCI wouldn't even be on the ball and it would be a frozen rope constantly. My first 3 games in my Brewers Franchise against the Cards was 2-10, 2-9 and 0-10. Those game were pitched by Gallardo, Greinke and Wolf. They scored 29 runs and I got 4 the entire series. They caught everything and snagged everything I hit. Gotta restart my 'Chise until I find a good set.

                            I should also point out I use timing hitting. I can't do analog and I have a tough time using zone also. I just can not move the pci to where the ball location is going to be. That's why I use timing. I've tried zone without moving the pci and I did ok.
                            Last edited by WeimaBrewer; 04-13-2012, 04:30 PM.

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                            • JoeRyan33
                              It's RBIs or ribbies
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1005

                              #15
                              Re: JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

                              Originally posted by WeimaBrewer
                              So you are using HOF pitching and batting? What hitting camera are you using?

                              I've tried Psycho's slider for a while and the CPU hit every pitch I would throw. I mean there PCI wouldn't even be on the ball and it would be a frozen rope constantly. My first 3 games in my Brewers Franchise against the Cards was 2-10, 2-9 and 0-10. Those game were pitched by Gallardo, Greinke and Wolf. They scored 29 runs and I got 4 the entire series. They caught everything and snagged everything I hit. Gotta restart my 'Chise until I find a good set.

                              I should also point out I use timing hitting. I can't do analog and I have a tough time using zone also. I just can not move the pci to where the ball location is going to be. That's why I use timing. I've tried zone without moving the pci and I did ok.
                              Yeah, I use HOF pitching and hitting, full analog.

                              I do alright on the pitching end, I give up the usual amount of hits, get the right amount of strikeouts and issue walks as well.

                              I'm definitely struggling on offense, but I have been mostly playing games against #1's and 2's in exhibition mode. I am probably going to tweak my hitting sliders a bit, I don't think a drastic change is needed... I set the timing window to 7 and found I was making a lot of contact and much less foul balls. I'm going to try the foul ball frequency a little higher and see if it balances out.

                              One thing I've been seeking to remedy are the ball going through the bat swings, which shouldn't really be happening. I've been looking at the replays and I've seen only one in recent games. I'd like to see none. If I got the bat in that area and timed it well enough, it should at least be a foul ball or weak contact. It was a huge problem in previous games, and thankfully isn't nearly as bad now, but even seeing that once irks me.

                              I would try Bobhead's sliders on HOF. They are definitely the best set I've seen on here. I have to give him so much credit for those, they are the most influential on what I'm trying to achieve with these.
                              May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

                              Thanks to all that helped with the Baltimore Orioles roster, and to N51_rob for making me an OS premium member.

                              CAPS I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25328192@N06/

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