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  • mngophers21
    Rookie
    • Apr 2009
    • 168

    #1

    Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

    1. When the ball rolls in front of one of my cpu teammates, why do they turn and run away from the ball instead of trying to intercept it? I kid you not, the ball will roll right next to their feet and they will turn and run away to mark someone, leaving the CPU opponents player wide open to receive the pass.

    2. In 1 game alone, 7 handballs were committed by the CPU, but none of them were called. And yes, my setting is set to "On"

    3. The CPU's ability to sloppily dribble down the field and make 90 degree cuts right after another. It looks so damn ugly to see them dribble all the way vertically, make 3 90 degree cuts, then turn make and go back down the field.

    4. For some reason, the CPU is ALWAYS defending with 7+ players, and when I try to attack my midfield REFUSES to join in, leaving me with a 2 on 7 (+ goalie) in which I hardly ever am able to score. But when the CPU attacks, 1 guy can take on 6 of my teammates, no matter the skill level.

    5. When the CPU has a goal kick, their forward is able to receive the ball off the kick and be on a 1 on 1 situation 75% of the time. But anytime I take a goal kick, I can never even keep the possession from the kick.

    Edit: 6. Whenever I take a shot and it hits the post/gets blocked, NONE of my teammates will run towards the ball to keep possession. They instantly turn around and run back towards the midfield line. (this is referring to the 2, sometimes 3 people that manage to join in my attack)

    Edit 2: 7. When I try to make a tackle, the ball will always roll to another cpu player instead of me gaining possession. It's so blatantly scripted it's hilarious. Like the ball picks up another 5 mph to it so it can reach the cpu before you.

    Anyone else feeling like these are occurring to them?
    Last edited by mngophers21; 10-22-2011, 06:32 PM.
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  • aarontab
    Rookie
    • Mar 2011
    • 468

    #2
    Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

    Yes, yes and yes.

    I almost posted something very similar to this due to my own frustrations. It seems like 90% of the time you're fighting against these types of "challenges" instead of playing a truly difficult game against another team. It has always been a trademark of EA to use these "cheats" rather than make AI that provides the challenge on its own.

    I feel like the talent of the opposing team should be able to create a challenge in and of itself, but it definitely doesn't. Even a bad team will be able to take advantage of the exact things you listed. The worst by far has to be the way that your AI teammates actually move out of position, allowing the CPU offense to score. Instead of making you control more players to play defense, you're stuck having to correct the mistakes and poor play they appear to be committing ON PURPOSE. This game is fantastic, it is my favorite FIFA to ever be released, but it seems like laziness from a programming perspective to have your challenge come from giving unfair advantages to the CPU team.

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    • clipperfan811
      Pro
      • Oct 2002
      • 876

      #3
      Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

      Teammate ai is definitely the biggest gripe that 90% of FIFA players have, myself included. I would love to hear one of their developers take on why it's programed that way.

      The game is still extremely enjoyable though.

      Concerns 4, 5 and 7 are things you can get better at as you play more and/or drop the difficulty (or slider adjustments) if needed. Try to enjoy the positives

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      • eyeamg0dly
        MVP
        • May 2009
        • 1671

        #4
        Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

        I wonder if it is a rating issue though. I get subpar play much like is posted, however it varies per team mate, some are far worse than others. I usually set the tactics to default high pressure and ultra attacking. It does make the payers react differently, but I need to make more of my custom tactics to really understand the issue.
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        • Gonira
          Banned
          • Sep 2011
          • 865

          #5
          Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

          tackles are a problem because of ninja cpu dribbling skills. i found sliding tackles against legendary ai to be absolutely useless. the result is that i played an entire season on cm without being awarded not even one yellow card.

          i had a problem with 50/50 headers in goal kicks too, but i found that trying to shoot to a winger has a way higher success rate than shooting to the center of the field.

          little number of teammates joining attack can be fixed by the user run frequency slider and by playing a slower, more patient, build-up style.

          my problems with the game is the lack of variety in cpu playing strategy (worst problem imo), their ninja dribbling skills, the horribly dumb ai teammates and REPLAY SELECTION!! any corner kick has a replay showing the ball going off in every angle, but you don't have a replay for a foul commited inside the box, wtf! and why most of the times the replays of the goals aren't shown at the end of the match? it makes no sense.

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          • eyeamg0dly
            MVP
            • May 2009
            • 1671

            #6
            Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

            Originally posted by Gonira
            tackles are a problem because of ninja cpu dribbling skills. i found sliding tackles against legendary ai to be absolutely useless. the result is that i played an entire season on cm without being awarded not even one yellow card.

            i had a problem with 50/50 headers in goal kicks too, but i found that trying to shoot to a winger has a way higher success rate than shooting to the center of the field.

            little number of teammates joining attack can be fixed by the user run frequency slider and by playing a slower, more patient, build-up style.

            my problems with the game is the lack of variety in cpu playing strategy (worst problem imo), their ninja dribbling skills, the horribly dumb ai teammates and REPLAY SELECTION!! any corner kick has a replay showing the ball going off in every angle, but you don't have a replay for a foul commited inside the box, wtf! and why most of the times the replays of the goals aren't shown at the end of the match? it makes no sense.
            i get carded alot. first game on legendary for me and i get a red card, apparently my slide tackle was illegal. actually my first game ever playing and i made the opponent gk get a red card. and this was on the lowest difficulty. not really understanding the game, i went in the box for a shot and the gk did some qausi dive / kick save (pretty odd looking animation) and i did a somersault and he got a red card.

            but yeah you are right, very few cards go out generally speaking.
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            • thehip41
              Rookie
              • Dec 2010
              • 18

              #7
              Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

              Originally posted by mngophers21
              1. When the ball rolls in front of one of my cpu teammates, why do they turn and run away from the ball instead of trying to intercept it? I kid you not, the ball will roll right next to their feet and they will turn and run away to mark someone, leaving the CPU opponents player wide open to receive the pass.

              2. In 1 game alone, 7 handballs were committed by the CPU, but none of them were called. And yes, my setting is set to "On"

              3. The CPU's ability to sloppily dribble down the field and make 90 degree cuts right after another. It looks so damn ugly to see them dribble all the way vertically, make 3 90 degree cuts, then turn make and go back down the field.

              4. For some reason, the CPU is ALWAYS defending with 7+ players, and when I try to attack my midfield REFUSES to join in, leaving me with a 2 on 7 (+ goalie) in which I hardly ever am able to score. But when the CPU attacks, 1 guy can take on 6 of my teammates, no matter the skill level.

              5. When the CPU has a goal kick, their forward is able to receive the ball off the kick and be on a 1 on 1 situation 75% of the time. But anytime I take a goal kick, I can never even keep the possession from the kick.

              Edit: 6. Whenever I take a shot and it hits the post/gets blocked, NONE of my teammates will run towards the ball to keep possession. They instantly turn around and run back towards the midfield line. (this is referring to the 2, sometimes 3 people that manage to join in my attack)

              Edit 2: 7. When I try to make a tackle, the ball will always roll to another cpu player instead of me gaining possession. It's so blatantly scripted it's hilarious. Like the ball picks up another 5 mph to it so it can reach the cpu before you.

              Anyone else feeling like these are occurring to them?

              cliff notes:

              1. I suck at FIFA and the computer beats me and I cant score

              2. wah

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              • seawolves9
                Rookie
                • Dec 2006
                • 347

                #8
                Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                Originally posted by thehip41
                cliff notes:

                1. I suck at FIFA and the computer beats me and I cant score

                2. wah
                Don't think that's the case... I beat the computer nearly every game, but it's just not enjoyable with all these issues. I don't get any satisfaction from beating a flawed system.

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                • CHF
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 91

                  #9
                  Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                  Originally posted by thehip41
                  cliff notes:

                  1. I suck at FIFA and the computer beats me and I cant score

                  2. wah
                  I win most of my games but have the same complaints. The ai does not behave in a remotely realistic fashion. This game is great but I find myself playing other games because of the AI, hoping against hope EA patches it up.

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                  • Spandrel
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 14

                    #10
                    Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                    Originally posted by mngophers21
                    1. When the ball rolls in front of one of my cpu teammates, why do they turn and run away from the ball instead of trying to intercept it? I kid you not, the ball will roll right next to their feet and they will turn and run away to mark someone, leaving the CPU opponents player wide open to receive the pass.

                    2. In 1 game alone, 7 handballs were committed by the CPU, but none of them were called. And yes, my setting is set to "On"

                    3. The CPU's ability to sloppily dribble down the field and make 90 degree cuts right after another. It looks so damn ugly to see them dribble all the way vertically, make 3 90 degree cuts, then turn make and go back down the field.

                    4. For some reason, the CPU is ALWAYS defending with 7+ players, and when I try to attack my midfield REFUSES to join in, leaving me with a 2 on 7 (+ goalie) in which I hardly ever am able to score. But when the CPU attacks, 1 guy can take on 6 of my teammates, no matter the skill level.

                    5. When the CPU has a goal kick, their forward is able to receive the ball off the kick and be on a 1 on 1 situation 75% of the time. But anytime I take a goal kick, I can never even keep the possession from the kick.

                    Edit: 6. Whenever I take a shot and it hits the post/gets blocked, NONE of my teammates will run towards the ball to keep possession. They instantly turn around and run back towards the midfield line. (this is referring to the 2, sometimes 3 people that manage to join in my attack)

                    Edit 2: 7. When I try to make a tackle, the ball will always roll to another cpu player instead of me gaining possession. It's so blatantly scripted it's hilarious. Like the ball picks up another 5 mph to it so it can reach the cpu before you.

                    Anyone else feeling like these are occurring to them?


                    I have also noticed all of these, and they do take away from the game a bit. I really do hate how the aerial game is so tilted towards the CPU. I'm better than I have ever been at contesting these aerial "50/50" balls, but there is still a significant bias. I almost always play my goal kicks short to my defense and work the ball out.

                    I also hate the ninja dribbling ability of the CPU opponents, regardless of their skill level. I also can't stand when the CPU "panic clears" a ball miraculously spot on to one of their teammates who is wide open with space to push the ball. It is something when I'm dispossessed in the box by the CPU who manages to not only steal the ball from me, but can also bang-bang put a lob pass right on target to his most open teammate. If that happened once in a while, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it happens very often, in my games on World Class level.

                    I also wish the game had more fouls. In my 15-minute half games, there are, on average, 1-2 fouls per game between the two teams. Cards are a rarity, for either team.

                    And I average about 5-6 offsides per game compared to hardly ever by the CPU, partly because the CPU rarely attempts through balls.

                    I'm sure these could be fixed by spending a few hours tweaking CTT's and sliders, but I don't have a lot of time to play, in the first place, so I usually would rather play than spend time making adjustments.

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                    • kbmnm247
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 456

                      #11
                      Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                      Control the players yourself, stop expecting the computer to do everything for you.

                      That's about it. I have none of those issues because I play the game, not spectate the computer.

                      1. Switch to the defender using LB or the RS and take the ball yourself.

                      2. They probably weren't handballs but were instead off the players chest or whatever.

                      3. The CPU plays to how you defend. It's really that simple. If you are charging at them and trying to do straight on tackles and slide tackles they will do 90 degree pushes to avoid you. I don't have this problem when I play.

                      4. Get better midfielders. Change their workloads. Change your tactics. Change who you control. There's no way you should be 2 on 7 every time.

                      5. Defend where the ball is headed, and when you kick, look at radar to see if anyone is one on one or free and kick it in their direction and take control yourself to get it.

                      Edit: 6. Take control yourself for the rebound. Or change your tactics and workloads. Or get better players.

                      Edit 2: 7. I highly doubt this is actually occurring, more likely you just noticing it more than when you get the ball on the same exact luck.

                      Basically I agree with the post a few posts up, sounds like a whine to me.

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                      • StormJH1
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 1220

                        #12
                        Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                        Originally posted by mngophers21
                        1. When the ball rolls in front of one of my cpu teammates, why do they turn and run away from the ball instead of trying to intercept it? I kid you not, the ball will roll right next to their feet and they will turn and run away to mark someone, leaving the CPU opponents player wide open to receive the pass.

                        2. In 1 game alone, 7 handballs were committed by the CPU, but none of them were called. And yes, my setting is set to "On"

                        3. The CPU's ability to sloppily dribble down the field and make 90 degree cuts right after another. It looks so damn ugly to see them dribble all the way vertically, make 3 90 degree cuts, then turn make and go back down the field.

                        4. For some reason, the CPU is ALWAYS defending with 7+ players, and when I try to attack my midfield REFUSES to join in, leaving me with a 2 on 7 (+ goalie) in which I hardly ever am able to score. But when the CPU attacks, 1 guy can take on 6 of my teammates, no matter the skill level.

                        5. When the CPU has a goal kick, their forward is able to receive the ball off the kick and be on a 1 on 1 situation 75% of the time. But anytime I take a goal kick, I can never even keep the possession from the kick.

                        Edit: 6. Whenever I take a shot and it hits the post/gets blocked, NONE of my teammates will run towards the ball to keep possession. They instantly turn around and run back towards the midfield line. (this is referring to the 2, sometimes 3 people that manage to join in my attack)

                        Edit 2: 7. When I try to make a tackle, the ball will always roll to another cpu player instead of me gaining possession. It's so blatantly scripted it's hilarious. Like the ball picks up another 5 mph to it so it can reach the cpu before you.

                        Anyone else feeling like these are occurring to them?
                        I found myself nodding my head while reading through most of these. Also, to the guy above who talked about playing against the glitches instead of the skill of the other team, I absolutely feel that way. I fully admit that I'm not very good at this game, but it's not like the CPU walks all over me. I feel like I'm playing at the proper level during gameplay, but the results aren't reflecting that because the entire game is decided by that one bunk goal that they invariably end up with out of nowhere.

                        The teammate A.I. is atrocious. There's no sense whatsoever on defense of urgency to shut down a dangerous situation. We've documented the lack of ball awareness for some time, so I won't rehash that here. But the point about going in 2 on 7 trying to attack is also very true. I don't understand what my teammates on offense are doing. If they even ran around totally randomly, i feel like I could find them and set plays up. Instead they basically run to their slotted positions and just stand or shift there. You can send guys on runs in the midfield, but if you don't, they won't do anything.

                        I like the game a lot and LOVE the changes to Manager Mode, but I'm afraid I'll get fired before I appreciate them, since the actual gameplay for me is becoming frustrating.

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                        • seawolves9
                          Rookie
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 347

                          #13
                          Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                          Originally posted by kbmnm247
                          Control the players yourself, stop expecting the computer to do everything for you.

                          That's about it. I have none of those issues because I play the game, not spectate the computer.

                          1. Switch to the defender using LB or the RS and take the ball yourself.

                          2. They probably weren't handballs but were instead off the players chest or whatever.

                          3. The CPU plays to how you defend. It's really that simple. If you are charging at them and trying to do straight on tackles and slide tackles they will do 90 degree pushes to avoid you. I don't have this problem when I play.

                          4. Get better midfielders. Change their workloads. Change your tactics. Change who you control. There's no way you should be 2 on 7 every time.

                          5. Defend where the ball is headed, and when you kick, look at radar to see if anyone is one on one or free and kick it in their direction and take control yourself to get it.

                          Edit: 6. Take control yourself for the rebound. Or change your tactics and workloads. Or get better players.

                          Edit 2: 7. I highly doubt this is actually occurring, more likely you just noticing it more than when you get the ball on the same exact luck.

                          Basically I agree with the post a few posts up, sounds like a whine to me.
                          1. Your answer doesn't work, cause even when you switch to a player, he's 'stuck' in the backwards animation. It is impossible to run forward. Pressing LT + RT to cancel his movement won't work. Takes too much time.

                          2. I guarantee you the OP went to the replay to make sure they were handballs. It's not like it's impossible to go into the replay mode to double check what you saw in real time.

                          3. Mind providing how you defend? I've read everywhere on here that no matter how you defend, the CPU will always cut ridiculously and just run around until you back off. They don't play to how you defend really, they have one mindset, run forward, if cut off, turn the other way and run til we have open space. That wouldn't be a problem if they couldn't cut on a dime with the ball secured snugly beneath their feet. Or if they didn't run aimlessly. I've had times where the CPU will just run all they back to his own half and then clear the ball. Or just recently, there was a player on the CPU team, who, whenever he got the ball, just ran from sideline to sideline until I stopped pressuring him. Only then would he pass. So unless you just let the CPU run to where they want, then of course you're not going to see this.

                          4. I've seen both sides of the coin on this one. Sometimes I'll have breaks with numbers, other times the CPU will recover at an incredible pace.

                          5. Not enough information provided in the OP to determine the issue. I don't know if he's talking about the goal kick being played over the entire back line, allowing the CPU forward to run to the ball, or if he's talking about the 50/50 balls in the air, or even on the ground.

                          6. No matter what you do, you cannot help this. The CPU will always show more aggression towards the 50/50 balls than your players. Changing tactics or work rates or whatever doesn't help. I've set everything to as aggressive as can be, and my players still take a lackadaisical approach to the loose balls. Your answer of 'getting better players' doesn't work for everyone, nor should it have to. What player on the pitch doesn't try as hard as they can to score a goal off of a loose ball off the rebound? Or fight for the ball in the midfield? It just doesn't make sense. It shouldn't come down to a rating, it should be instinctual. I shouldn't see players sitting there when a ball comes off the post, while the CPU defender or forward comes barging in to clear the ball or score the goal.

                          7. This one is probably more debatable rather than being stone factual, but I tend to agree with the OP in most cases on this one as well. Loose balls seem to roll the way of the CPU more often than not. This is a combination of the artificial difficulty and your players not being aggressive enough. I feel like the CPU gets the loose balls more to create a difficulty factor.

                          I take control of my teammates. I don't just stand there and hope for the best when it comes to their abilities. I've lost my faith in that a long, long time ago. I don't think anyone around here plays like that.

                          You kept saying something about changing tactics, workloads, and players and what not. I want to know your specific settings, players and work rates, along with formations and game settings to play your game, myself. These issues are somewhat notorious in the FIFA serious, so I'd like to see what you have on your game to where you're not seeing any of these issues at all.

                          EDIT: I'll provide some of my own settings, just to be fair: MOST of the time I play on World Class, 10 minutes, random referee, with all the rules set to on. Most recently, I've played on the default settings with regards to User and CPU sliders. I still saw the same 7 issues when tinkering with sliders, however.

                          I played some games with Aston Villa using a custom 4-3-3 formation, where I have my 2 centre back's work rates set as high for defense and low for offense. My 2 fullbacks have high defense work rates and medium offense work rates. The 3 midfielders work rates set to high with regards to offense and defense. And my forwards have high offense work rates with low defense work rates.

                          I had all my custom tactics set in the 90's to try and create an aggressive play style. I saw no such thing.
                          Originally posted by Spandrel
                          I also hate the ninja dribbling ability of the CPU opponents, regardless of their skill level. I also can't stand when the CPU "panic clears" a ball miraculously spot on to one of their teammates who is wide open with space to push the ball. It is something when I'm dispossessed in the box by the CPU who manages to not only steal the ball from me, but can also bang-bang put a lob pass right on target to his most open teammate. If that happened once in a while, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it happens very often, in my games on World Class level.
                          Ah man, I hate this! Every now and then I'll have a clearance go sailing out of play, but more often than not, the CPU clearances go straight to a teammates feet.
                          Last edited by seawolves9; 10-27-2011, 12:44 AM.

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                          • eyeamg0dly
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 1671

                            #14
                            Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                            Honestly I don't see the 90 degree cut on a dime issue anymore when I'm defending. Part of what you say is true as far as letting him go where he wants, but rather let him go where I want him to go. I've learned to take away the passing and shooting lanes. I play on ultra defensive and my teammates do come and help out as long as they don't have a mark. CPU starts to adapt and does take outside shots if there is a lane to do so.

                            I don't use the tackle button much anymore unless the ball gets away from them. Instead I just force then into a direction and just simply step in.
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                            • seawolves9
                              Rookie
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 347

                              #15
                              Re: Some things are really starting to get on my nerves.

                              Originally posted by eyeamg0dly
                              Honestly I don't see the 90 degree cut on a dime issue anymore when I'm defending. Part of what you say is true as far as letting him go where he wants, but rather let him go where I want him to go. I've learned to take away the passing and shooting lanes. I play on ultra defensive and my teammates do come and help out as long as they don't have a mark. CPU starts to adapt and does take outside shots if there is a lane to do so.

                              I don't use the tackle button much anymore unless the ball gets away from them. Instead I just force then into a direction and just simply step in.
                              I feel like that's what I'm doing, but I must not be if defending is that simple for you haha. I usually take away the passing lanes fairly well, I just get annoyed when the CPU player backtracks about 35 yards, or runs all the way across the pitch in a jagged line because of all the cutting.

                              I'd like to see the CPU weigh their options more when they have time. Most of the time I've moved to just containing and cutting off lanes, but they insist on moving at all times, rather than stop, maybe do a step over or feint, or ball fake or what have you to to try and create.

                              I find calling for a teammate basically useless now, as it just takes him out of position. I've seen a player come over to help and be in perfect position to make a tackle, but instead he retreats like there's a barrier around the dribbler. I'm not talking about the missile tackling like in FIFA 11, where players would run right through the player, but I'll have a game coming over to help, and be in perfect position to cut off the dribble but my guy just stops mid stride, creating more space for the CPU player. Which is exactly the opposite of what I wanted him to do.

                              Sometimes I wonder if all the games are created equal when people post things about not seeing the most common elements in mine, and many other people's experiences.

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