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  • greenieblue
    MVP
    • Nov 2010
    • 1240

    #1

    The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

    Edit 11/18 v. 0.4
    Not recommended for post-patch play, new ones in development. In the meantime see Armor&Swords on page 25

    The goal (as with all slider sets) is to create an environment that produces both realistic play-to-play results as well as game results.
    I.e.
    - Good teams should beat bad teams more often than vice versa.
    - Good players should produce and produce realistically pertaining to % and location of shots.
    - Luck should occasionally play a role
    - Defense, pace, size, speed should be factors
    - Fouls should be a factor
    etc.

    How did I come up with these sliders?

    A number of ways:

    - Hoopdata.com and 82games.com both track shot locations and FG % per location-- I've used these to tune tendencies and shot success rates
    - Hoopdata.com tracks rebound rates- I've used these to tune rebounds
    - I've played at least 100 games and watched at least 100 CPU v. CPU games-- therefore, I have seen all types of teams and players operate with these sliders in place
    - Personally I started at Sim/Pro and started moving slightly in directions (for instance, down on quickness slider) that seemed necessary to make this game more realistic.
    - Finally, I took all slider sets on this website whose gameplay settings mirrored or at least resembled mine (i.e. Pro or all-star level, 12 minute quarters) plugged them in a spreadsheet (my settings were plugged in three times each per slider, to weight the end result mostly toward mine), dropped both the highest and lowest setting and averaged the rest. However, a few settings are arrived at through different means (see above).

    In essence these sliders are a collaboration heavily influenced by my game experience and tweaking and information seeking.

    A note: I believe the best possible way to play the game is with sliders equal on both sides, so all settings are for both cpu and human.

    Gameplay
    Difficulty: Pro
    Quarter Length: 12 Minutes
    Game Speed: 48
    Player Speed: 42
    Shooting Type: Shot Stick %
    FT Shooting Type: Real Player %
    FT Difficulty: 35

    Game Sliders
    Offense
    Inside Shot-46
    Close Shot -47
    Mid Range- 47 (my setting before the spreadsheet) -50 (the setting kicked out by the spreadsheet) *currently testing, 48 presents itself as the logical option but 39% FG is about what you need.
    3 Pt-50
    Layup- 48
    Dunk-49
    Dunks in Traffic-38
    Pass Accuracy-51
    Alley-Oop-49
    Contact Shot-42

    Defense
    Driving Contact Shot-71
    Inside Contact Shot-74
    Help Defense-66
    Steal Success-47

    Attributes
    Quickness-21
    Vertical-28
    Strength-76
    Stamina-46
    Durability-49
    Hustle-62
    Ball Handling-43
    Hands-39
    Dunk Ability-42
    On Ball Defense-66
    Stealing-48
    Blocking-44
    Offensive Awareness-63
    Def Awareness-61
    Offensive Reb-26
    Defensive Reb-74
    Clutch Factor-27
    Consistency-50
    Fatigue Rate-48
    Injury Frequency-50
    Injury Severity-46

    Tendencies
    Inside Shot-27
    Close Shot-16
    Mid Range Shot-34
    3PT Shot-22
    Attack The Basket-63
    Look for Post Player-61
    Throw Alley Oops-45
    Attempt Dunks-27
    Attempt Putbacks-55
    Flashy Pass-35
    Commit Fouls-74
    Play Passing Lane-40
    On Ball Steal-50
    Contest Shots-64
    Back Door Cuts-51

    Fouls
    Over the Back-92
    Charging-94
    Blocking-90
    Reaching-87
    Shooting- 70
    Loose Ball-95

    Controller Settings

    Camera Relative for both,
    5 for Defensive Assistance


    Camera: (if you play from the side, I can't recommend this any higher-- defending on the perimeter is a lot easier when you can see the entire perimeter)

    Broadcast
    3
    7
    Off

    Enjoy!

    If you choose to move to all-star level with these sliders, the shooting sliders (success when shooting from different areas: mid, close, etc.) will need to be adjusted down. I highly recommend Pro level. Police yourself. It's a video game. Like Czar says, "Play basketball". Pro is more than challenging and much more realistic. Also, remember this: players have a "draw foul" tendency (which is a spectacular addition), so rookies, lesser players, etc. will get mauled in the paint and no call will be made. This is exactly the case in the NBA. 70 gives you a nice balance of calls and no-calls with calls going to the better players (or the players with a higher draw foul rating).

    As far as a lot of the issues others have been having (short of bumping on the perimeter): O-rebounds not happening, loose-ball fouls and over the back fouls not being called, no collision in the paint, etc. I have never had a problem with any of these. Since I have the same game, I'm assuming it's the level and sliders that are correcting it.
    Last edited by greenieblue; 11-26-2010, 11:24 PM.
    Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
    [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.
  • mesyes25
    Rookie
    • Jun 2003
    • 248

    #2
    Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

    Have u uploaded these

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    • FADED
      Rookie
      • Jul 2003
      • 257

      #3
      Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

      do u think these will work good with Real Player % for shooting? i wanna give these a shoot, but i wanna make sure using Real Player % for shooting doesn't mess things up.

      thx

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      • greenieblue
        MVP
        • Nov 2010
        • 1240

        #4
        Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

        No, I haven't uploaded them. I guess I could.

        I highly recommend shot stick. But, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work on real player %.

        Also, if you find these sliders makes the game too easy, move it up to All-Star. I prefer Pro. And before these sliders I was killing the computer on Pro. I just think the game plays much more realistically on Pro.

        Is there still too much bumping on the perimeter? Possibly. Hand check rules have all but eliminated this in the NBA. But, this needs to be dealt with by the devs-- reach in calls should rise, defensive players should shadow and not cause contact on the perimeter or we are pre-hand check rules. When you adjust on-ball defense, defensive awareness and driving contact essentially what you are doing is altering the depth of the defensive coverage. It doesn't seem to solve the problem. The game is far from broke, but we should (hopefully with a patch) be able to find some happy medium. Altering settings can change how players defend in the post, and that's a problem. Post defense is good, but defenders on the perimeter should not be defending like post players.

        Also, I rarely use Iso-Motion. Breaking a defender down can be as simple as moving the left stick quickly one way and then the other. You can create space and separation this way quite realistically.

        A side note: a lot of people look to tune the game somewhere between realism and winning. Usually they err on the side of winning-- i.e. they tune the game so that they can win all the time but still call the game "realistic". Wins were not a factor when I made this sliders. I'm probably .500 since I finished them. And, my team is about a .500 team.
        Last edited by greenieblue; 11-16-2010, 01:26 PM.
        Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
        [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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        • christian cage
          Rookie
          • May 2009
          • 12

          #5
          Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

          Are you using the latest living roster?

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          • Armor and Sword
            The Lama
            • Sep 2010
            • 21736

            #6
            Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

            I played 4 play now games with these sliders with different match-ups, 2 games as the road team 2 as the home team.

            Really good man. I use real fg/ft% and they work just fine. Played on Pro. Very good numbers in all games. FT's were prevalent and superstars played like superstars. Scrubs play like scrubs.

            I had been using JD's sliders and for the most part they are very good too but I was finding some games to be weird. I also played 35 plus games with them in Association (and made a few tweaks nothing drastic). I will give these a go for the next 35 games and see how I like them. But after 4 games I was very impressed.

            Good work.
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            • greenieblue
              MVP
              • Nov 2010
              • 1240

              #7
              Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

              Originally posted by christian cage
              Are you using the latest living roster?
              No. I am in 2022 in an association. I can't remember what roster I started with, but it was around opening night.
              Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
              [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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              • greenieblue
                MVP
                • Nov 2010
                • 1240

                #8
                Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                Originally posted by Armor & Sword
                I played 4 play now games with these sliders with different match-ups, 2 games as the road team 2 as the home team.

                Really good man. I use real fg/ft% and they work just fine. Played on Pro. Very good numbers in all games. FT's were prevalent and superstars played like superstars. Scrubs play like scrubs.

                I had been using JD's sliders and for the most part they are very good too but I was finding some games to be weird. I also played 35 plus games with them in Association (and made a few tweaks nothing drastic). I will give these a go for the next 35 games and see how I like them. But after 4 games I was very impressed.

                Good work.
                Thanks, brother. You never know how sliders will work out, because we all play differently. But, what you describe has generally been my experience as well. Enjoy.
                Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
                [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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                • christian cage
                  Rookie
                  • May 2009
                  • 12

                  #9
                  Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                  Thanks for this slider.

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                  • greenieblue
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1240

                    #10
                    Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                    Originally posted by christian cage
                    Thanks for this slider.
                    No doubt, man. Enjoy.
                    Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
                    [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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                    • bassbro
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 15

                      #11
                      Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                      thanks bro, set my sliders to these last night and played two games (playing as the blazers)
                      amazing basketball experience, i been trying to get the best bball sim experience since TV Sports Basketball on the Amiga 500 and have finally reached basketball gaming nirvana


                      one question - where do change player speed? (although the game played fine with everything else changed)

                      thanks again bro

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                      • jr86
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1728

                        #12
                        Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                        Originally posted by bassbro
                        thanks bro, set my sliders to these last night and played two games (playing as the blazers)
                        amazing basketball experience, i been trying to get the best bball sim experience since TV Sports Basketball on the Amiga 500 and have finally reached basketball gaming nirvana


                        one question - where do change player speed? (although the game played fine with everything else changed)

                        thanks again bro

                        You can only access player speed in Association mode not in Quick Game. Press Triangle (PS3) when the matchup screen appears.

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                        • greenieblue
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1240

                          #13
                          Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                          Originally posted by bassbro
                          thanks bro, set my sliders to these last night and played two games (playing as the blazers)
                          amazing basketball experience, i been trying to get the best bball sim experience since TV Sports Basketball on the Amiga 500 and have finally reached basketball gaming nirvana


                          one question - where do change player speed? (although the game played fine with everything else changed)

                          thanks again bro
                          No doubt. Glad they are working out for you. Now we just await the patch, which will be a good/bad thing.

                          Yup, access player speed in association mode by pressing triangle (top button if XBOX) at team select screen.

                          On another note: I messed around with, what would seem to be, the appropriate sliders to decrease/increase collision on the perimeter and I've come to the conclusion that it can not be fixed with sliders without harming the rest of the game. It's really not a big deal to me. Use turbo less, dribble more precisely and it's only an annoyance.

                          Then I had a defensive war with the 2022 Phoenix Suns-- 88-79. What a game.

                          And I made a few small changes to the set. Namely: camera, defensive assist and shooting fouls (I prefer it at 70, you may prefer it at 62).

                          Also, if anyone wants to upload these (in my name, in their name-- I couldn't care less, although identification may be a problem) feel free. I have never uploaded anything, but I understand it's a chore to set sliders manually.
                          Last edited by greenieblue; 11-17-2010, 07:38 PM.
                          Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
                          [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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                          • Armor and Sword
                            The Lama
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 21736

                            #14
                            Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                            Alright played 2 games thus far in my association with these.
                            I love them.

                            The only thing I will be probably tweaking is fatigue rate. I will bump it down to JD's setting as I like that it forces you to make your timeouts count and your bench rotation becomes a little more important on long road trips, back to backs etc.

                            But really great work on these. I played two road games

                            Heat at Portland

                            Heat at Clippers

                            In both games I was down as much as 15 points in the first half only to storm back and win both games in critical 4th quarters. Unlike some crys I have read around this forum about the CPU's 3rd quarter runs it was I who was able to claw back in the 3rd quarter to cut those leads down to single digits heading into the 4th quarter (Cut it to 9 in Portland and 8 in LA).

                            Lebron had a triple double in Portland and Bosh poured in 35 against the LAC. The games are highly competitve and the turnovers, FT's, PIP numbers and rebound numbers are all looking great. I am truly getting a sim game.

                            JD's are also very good sliders but I found them giving me some problems in creating some space and I think it had to do with the quickness being set at 0. Your Quicks are a a big difference and your off and def awareness numbers feel much better. I also like your contact settings, and foul settings. I got to the line 24 times vs Portland and 18 vs the Clippers.

                            Again great work and I would highly reccomend these for novices to the series (like me) and start on the Pro setting. I also use real FG% and they are $$$. I am sure if you bump up to All-Star they will be very challenging for noobs or average players like myself. On Pro it is giving me the right experience.
                            Last edited by Armor and Sword; 11-18-2010, 11:46 AM.
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                            • greenieblue
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1240

                              #15
                              Re: The Purist Sliders (12 min, Pro) v. 0.1

                              Originally posted by Armor & Sword
                              Alright played 2 games thus far in my association with these.
                              I love them.

                              The only thing I will be probably tweaking is fatigue rate. I will bump it down to JD's setting as I like that it forces you to make your timeouts count and your bench rotation becomes a little more important on long road trips, back to backs etc.

                              But really great work on these. I played two road games

                              Heat at Portland

                              Heat at Clippers

                              In both games I was down as much as 15 points in the first half only to storm back and win both games in critical 4th quarters. Unlike some crys I have read around this forum about the CPU's 3rd quarter runs it was I who was able to claw back in the 3rd quarter to cut those leads down to single digits heading into the 4th quarter (Cut it to 9 in Portland and 8 in LA).

                              Lebron had a triple double in Portland and Bosh poured in 35 against the LAC. The games are highly competitve and the turnovers, FT's, PIP numbers and rebound numbers are all looking great. I am truly getting a sim game.

                              JD's are also very good sliders but I found them giving me some problems in creating some space and I think it had to do with the quickness being set at 0. Your Quicks are a a big difference and your off and def awareness numbers feel much better. I also like your contact settings, and foul settings. I got to the line 24 times vs Portland and 18 vs the Clippers.

                              Again great work and I would highly reccomend these for novices to the series (like me) and start on the Pro setting. I also use real FG% and they are $$$. I am sure if you bump up to All-Star they will be very challenging for noobs or average players like myself. On Pro it is giving me the right experience.
                              Thanks, man.

                              I know exactly what you mean about fatigue--if I remember correctly I had mine set at 40 Stamina, 60 Fatigue Rate before I threw them in the spreadsheet.

                              I'm not quite sure where I would fall on the NBA 2K player skill hierarchy, but I have been playing basketball games since their invention. I played 2k9 (the year I decided to buy the PS3) and 2k10 at all-star level (won some, lost some) and did sliders for both (that never saw this site). So maybe I'm wrong, but I think I'm at least good at the game. Perhaps, not great. But if you watch Madden challenge, etc. "great" seems like you've just figured out a way to game the system. What I'm saying is, I think these sliders will work for anyone, but if you despise Pro they are going to need adjustment at all-star. I played a lot of games on all-star, and my goal was to create sliders that made Pro (which was already more realistic) challenging. (And by challenging, I don't mean almost being beat by the computer, I mean good teams win and bad teams lose-- I'm 3-1 but I do have the 3rd best defense in the NBA and two beast post scorers).

                              I'm also not relying on any roster set-- my entire league (with the exception of a few players) is filled with players drafted and signed as undrafted free agents-- I'm in 2022. So the supposed roster/patch that came out, has had zero effect on my game/sliders.
                              Enjoy, post stats, etc.
                              Last edited by greenieblue; 11-18-2010, 03:10 PM.
                              Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
                              [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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