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The Run and Shoot
I've been a fan of this offense since the Houston Oilers ran it in the 90's and I'm a fan of any team that runs it. But no other videogame other than Joe Montana Football circa 1994 had a run and shoot play book (receivers with multiple route breaks). I am so psyched for this year's NCAA FB title now that they are using the actual schemes. My question is has anyone seen the playbooks for SMU and Hawaii and is it a true run and shoot?Tags: None -
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I've been a fan of this offense since the Houston Oilers ran it in the 90's and I'm a fan of any team that runs it. But no other videogame other than Joe Montana Football circa 1994 had a run and shoot play book (receivers with multiple route breaks). I am so psyched for this year's NCAA FB title now that they are using the actual schemes. My question is has anyone seen the playbooks for SMU and Hawaii and is it a true run and shoot?
When I first saw that I got excited, because 61 X Choice and 60 Go are actual Run & Shoot plays. I have several playbooks of Mouse Davis and one from June Jones circa 2002. Then someone posted on here that these plays were in Navy's play book in NCAA 10!
How does Navy get Run & Shoot plays???
That first play, Curl - Post - Wheel should actually be 60 Switch for the R&S and here's how it should be diagrammed...
There should only be 2 WR's on each side of the field, not trips, so imagine the A WR on the left side in the slot. The B WR should run the route they have A running, with of course options in there... hook, post, go, or 10 and in... The LB WR would do just as he is doing, but keep in mind, he is the slot receiver now and so when he runs that route and B runs his route they would be "switching" which creates huge plays in Man>Man.
On the other side of the field X would run a Go and A, who is now in the left slot, would run one of several Option routes, including a Go up the seam against Man or a Hook if in Zone.
One thing I will be looking for is if they implemented the Shovel Pass in the Run & Shoot offense. June Jones uses this play in place of a run, but Hawaii and now SMU use{d} it a lot. I doubt that EA got it in because I cannot get an EA rep to confirm or deny it. That said, there's no excuse for them to not have the Shovel Pass in the game.
Will the offense be a true Run & Shoot? We shall see... rest assured I will be airing my thoughts on it here soon.Dr Death
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I'd be careful about getting too excited about the Run & Shoot; for starters, the three plays above were already in NCAA 10.
I can't imagine the devs put that much work into an offensive scheme that few teams use -- although it'd be nice if they did.Comment
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Great to see fellow pony fans here! I'm also excited to see this offense in the game but I doubt it will be 100% accurate due to limitations in the game. I wonder how high Padron is ranked? Either way it should be fun to play with them this season....if only Texas wasn't such an easy state to recruit in...Comment
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So far, all we have seen is this...
When I first saw that I got excited, because 61 X Choice and 60 Go are actual Run & Shoot plays. I have several playbooks of Mouse Davis and one from June Jones circa 2002. Then someone posted on here that these plays were in Navy's play book in NCAA 10!
How does Navy get Run & Shoot plays???
That first play, Curl - Post - Wheel should actually be 60 Switch for the R&S and here's how it should be diagrammed...
There should only be 2 WR's on each side of the field, not trips, so imagine the A WR on the left side in the slot. The B WR should run the route they have A running, with of course options in there... hook, post, go, or 10 and in... The LB WR would do just as he is doing, but keep in mind, he is the slot receiver now and so when he runs that route and B runs his route they would be "switching" which creates huge plays in Man>Man.
On the other side of the field X would run a Go and A, who is now in the left slot, would run one of several Option routes, including a Go up the seam against Man or a Hook if in Zone.
One thing I will be looking for is if they implemented the Shovel Pass in the Run & Shoot offense. June Jones uses this play in place of a run, but Hawaii and now SMU use{d} it a lot. I doubt that EA got it in because I cannot get an EA rep to confirm or deny it. That said, there's no excuse for them to not have the Shovel Pass in the game.
Will the offense be a true Run & Shoot? We shall see... rest assured I will be airing my thoughts on it here soon.
Those are indeed the exact plays as you described. Right down to the terminology. Never ran the shovel pass, though. Did have a Hook and Ladder type play we liked to run once in a while.
Think it was called 59 Georgia.
Miss it so bad.Comment
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I got this off of some one who had supposedly helped EA Tiburon.
"Primarily, what I would say is a bonus for us this year, is that we were able to implement proper option routes into the Hawaii/SMU playbook. So for all you video-game QB's you can actually make R&S reads on the fly in game now; Choice/Switch/Go are all in there + Thunder/Divide/Georgia too. (these are more set routes though, Curl/Flat concept or double out/vertical stretch backside slant variations)"
"Having a realistic simulation of the Run& Shoot is pretty bad *** though I must say. Gonna have all kinds of fun exposing backside single coverage with option routes n killing the flats/seams with numbers against zone haha."NFL:Oakland Raiders Seattle Seahawks
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Great to see fellow pony fans here! I'm also excited to see this offense in the game but I doubt it will be 100% accurate due to limitations in the game. I wonder how high Padron is ranked? Either way it should be fun to play with them this season....if only Texas wasn't such an easy state to recruit in...
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I've got a great video series w/ Mouse Davis as he breaks down a play, and then has video of his team running that play against the various defenses. I think a Google of Run & Shoot should bring something decent up.Dr Death
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The most famous game that involved a team running the run and shoot offense was one where that team lost: the infamous "greatest playoff com...
Tiger Ellison is the one who came up with the run and shoot concept watching kids playing sandlot football. In essence it's go where the defense isn't with receivers changing their routes after the snap depending on the coverage.
If you want to see this offense at it's finest here's a clip of University of Hawaii QB Colt Brennan in the 2006 bowl game against Arizona St.
Brennan is the best QB to have ever triggered that offense.Comment
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Coach June Jones and Colt Brennan on the run and shoot:
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I've also found this, 1980 Portland st highlights of when Mouse Davis was HC
And here's a more recent highlight of when he was OC @ Portland st in 2007
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I thought this thread was about me. lol.
Reason Navy/G Tech had those plays is b/c the flexbone uses some R&S ideas. Like its said above don't get your hopes up for a good playbook especially since there's only one WR able to run an option route.Cosmetic Guides to the Show v2 Rosters
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http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/20...ot-part-1.html
Tiger Ellison is the one who came up with the run and shoot concept watching kids playing sandlot football. In essence it's go where the defense isn't with receivers changing their routes after the snap depending on the coverage.
also Colt Brennan was a beast.Last edited by dan_457; 06-19-2010, 11:12 PM.-Ohio State-
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