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  • coach_ruckus
    Rookie
    • Mar 2009
    • 63

    #1

    Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards




    Let me take you back to your childhood <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> remember the cartoons, the cereal, playing throw up tackle, or just playing football outside do you ever remember as (a kid) when your friend said "pass me the ball" and he ran too far for you to hit him what did you do.. you tried to pass the ball with all your might and did the HOP STEP to chuck the ball. think about it How many times did you take that hop step pass the football because you knew you couldn't get it down field. Now with that being said show me a QB or a human that can run 30 yards from the line, **** back and hit a perfect 70 yard pass off the back of his foot or running as if he was Joe Montana?


    Ea needs to take one of their guys and put them on a field and show us sim guys how you can run backwards and hit the wr in stride. You show me this ill show you a smurf. The only way to stop running qbs is to penalize them for running backwards (this kills the game if your palying vs VY or vick even my boy tony romo) If the qb runs more than 10 yards:
    take ten yards off the pass
    make the qb do the hop step to pass the ball
    make the ball hit the dirt Cb's can only cover for about 5 to 9 seconds depending on the pass rush
    Float the ball
    Over throw


    but do something! Ive been a cowboy fan since the late 70's and ive never see a qb do the things in madden that ive seen on TV. You say “ITS IN THE GAME” then put it in the game. This will make the game very sim were it will force the madden player to make 3, 5, and 7 step drop backs and read the field
    MADDEN NATION 3 COACH RUCKUS

    GAMER TAG COACH RUCKUS
  • LingeringRegime
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

    #2
    Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

    I like your vidz, and I agree with your points. But I have one question for you: How did you survive on that bus with all those punks who cheese constantly? Honestly, I tried to watch that show, but I was always so mad at how everyone played and acted it disgusted me.

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    • CapnKill
      MVP
      • Feb 2006
      • 1173

      #3
      Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

      I always felt that the vision cone was a good solution for this type of issue, but unfortuantely it was axed because too many people found it too difficult to use. It really wasn't you just had to spend about a week or so getting used to it and then it just became second nature.

      Anyway, I feel as if this years madden team will adress this issue, snice they seem to be focusing on momentum, locomotion, change of direction, and the overall physics engine. I can't imagine that they would overrsee such a critical issue as not affecting a pass's velocicity and accuracy if thrown off the back foot or while actually running away from the LOS.

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      • wordtobigbird
        MVP
        • Sep 2008
        • 4385

        #4
        Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

        another thing in the NFL if a QB were to run backwards the DEs would shoot right donwfield and catch him and sack him before he got 10 yards away. like in your other video of the 2k8 blocking the tackles in the NFL push the DEs past the QB so the QB steps up into the pocket to pass, so if he were to run RBs and the tackles push the end the end would be going right into the QB.

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        • roadman
          *ll St*r
          • Aug 2003
          • 26342

          #5
          Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

          Did anyone play 09?

          The new Madden team, before the shipped, penalized QB on All-Pro and All-Madden from going back 15 yds and beyond by making it difficult by hitting your WR's.

          My son tried Vince Young against me and he was furious that he couldn't take Vince 30 yds back and hit a WR.

          Anyway, maybe there is some other stuff that could be added as well.

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          • Tito78
            Banned
            • Nov 2007
            • 620

            #6
            Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

            Originally posted by roadman
            Did anyone play 09?

            The new Madden team, before the shipped, penalized QB on All-Pro and All-Madden from going back 15 yds and beyond by making it difficult by hitting your WR's.

            My son tried Vince Young against me and he was furious that he couldn't take Vince 30 yds back and hit a WR.

            Anyway, maybe there is some other stuff that could be added as well.
            That's not the only problem; the reason why you can't get away with that in 2k8 is because the game doesn't give QBs the ability to do that. In 2k8 you need to have your feet set while throwing if you want your passes to have accuracy and zip on them. You also can't throw and sprint at the same time. This is a problem in madden; Qbs are able to throw across their body, off their back foot and while sprinting at full speed.

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            • CapnKill
              MVP
              • Feb 2006
              • 1173

              #7
              Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

              Originally posted by Tito78
              That's not the only problem; the reason why you can't get away with that in 2k8 is because the game doesn't give QBs the ability to do that. In 2k8 you need to have your feet set while throwing if you want your passes to have accuracy and zip on them. You also can't throw and sprint at the same time. This is a problem in madden; Qbs are able to throw across their body, off their back foot and while sprinting at full speed.
              I wouldn't go as far as saying 2k was immune to this event. There was a video floating around of R. Cunningham launching a 75 yard bomb off his back foot.

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              • Glorious Arc
                MVP
                • Sep 2008
                • 1879

                #8
                Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                I like the video but again you post about something that is being taken care of.

                Check out the new QB stats and you will see that the throw on the run stat...yes...that means if a QB tries to throw on the run and doesnt have the stats he will be penalized for trying to do it by not throwing the ball accuratly

                Also their is a new passing raduis(or w/e it would be considered) that is also going to help take these issues out of the game.

                EDIT:
                Please read what the devs have posted then you can rant away...

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                • RGiles36
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3957

                  #9
                  Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                  Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                  I like the video but again you post about something that is being taken care of.

                  EDIT:
                  Please read what the devs have posted then you can rant away...
                  My sentiments exactly...
                  Twitter

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                  • roadman
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 26342

                    #10
                    Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                    Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                    I like the video but again you post about something that is being taken care of.

                    Check out the new QB stats and you will see that the throw on the run stat...yes...that means if a QB tries to throw on the run and doesnt have the stats he will be penalized for trying to do it by not throwing the ball accuratly

                    Also their is a new passing raduis(or w/e it would be considered) that is also going to help take these issues out of the game.

                    EDIT:
                    Please read what the devs have posted then you can rant away...
                    Thanks, Arc, I forgot about that.

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                    • roadman
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 26342

                      #11
                      Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                      Originally posted by Tito78
                      That's not the only problem; the reason why you can't get away with that in 2k8 is because the game doesn't give QBs the ability to do that. In 2k8 you need to have your feet set while throwing if you want your passes to have accuracy and zip on them. You also can't throw and sprint at the same time. This is a problem in madden; Qbs are able to throw across their body, off their back foot and while sprinting at full speed.
                      Ok, but please see Arc's post above mine and below yours.

                      Hopefully, that will satisfy everyone's wants and needs, wouldn't you agree?

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                      • ram29jackson
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 1104

                        #12
                        Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                        Originally posted by coach_ruckus
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqj7DPqdHIk


                        Let me take you back to your childhood <STYLE type=text/css> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </STYLE><STYLE type=text/css> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </STYLE>remember the cartoons, the cereal, playing throw up tackle, or just playing football outside do you ever remember as (a kid) when your friend said "pass me the ball" and he ran too far for you to hit him what did you do.. you tried to pass the ball with all your might and did the HOP STEP to chuck the ball. think about it How many times did you take that hop step pass the football because you knew you couldn't get it down field. Now with that being said show me a QB or a human that can run 30 yards from the line, **** back and hit a perfect 70 yard pass off the back of his foot or running as if he was Joe Montana?


                        Ea needs to take one of their guys and put them on a field and show us sim guys how you can run backwards and hit the wr in stride. You show me this ill show you a smurf. The only way to stop running qbs is to penalize them for running backwards (this kills the game if your palying vs VY or vick even my boy tony romo) If the qb runs more than 10 yards:
                        take ten yards off the pass
                        make the qb do the hop step to pass the ball
                        make the ball hit the dirt Cb's can only cover for about 5 to 9 seconds depending on the pass rush
                        Float the ball
                        Over throw


                        but do something! Ive been a cowboy fan since the late 70's and ive never see a qb do the things in madden that ive seen on TV. You say “ITS IN THE GAME” then put it in the game. This will make the game very sim were it will force the madden player to make 3, 5, and 7 step drop backs and read the field

                        I subscribed to you on youtube. I have a ps3 and madden and apf- my gamertag is fullback29. I am just a few notches above a casual gamer. I dont play -apf that much because of learning all the button commands as of yet. it always looks better on youtube than when I play lol
                        friend me on ps3 if you have that. youll probably school me up and down but at least I would appreciate playing someone like you. thanks again, good vid

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                        • kcarr
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2788

                          #13
                          Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                          I really agree this has to be stopped. I think the throw on the run should help this a lot and if they correctly calculate throw depths then the deep accuracy and them calculating throwing accuracy based on depth. Also, with them slowing down the ball speed it should make these balls thrown from this depth hang in the air much longer and therefore give the defense more time to react.

                          Hopefully they will also adjust the maximum distance that can be thrown and make different animations for throws of different distances

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                          • IRISHFBFAN1
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 290

                            #14
                            Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                            Originally posted by coach_ruckus
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqj7DPqdHIk


                            Let me take you back to your childhood remember the cartoons, the cereal, playing throw up tackle, or just playing football outside do you ever remember as (a kid) when your friend said "pass me the ball" and he ran too far for you to hit him what did you do.. you tried to pass the ball with all your might and did the HOP STEP to chuck the ball. think about it How many times did you take that hop step pass the football because you knew you couldn't get it down field. Now with that being said show me a QB or a human that can run 30 yards from the line, **** back and hit a perfect 70 yard pass off the back of his foot or running as if he was Joe Montana?


                            Ea needs to take one of their guys and put them on a field and show us sim guys how you can run backwards and hit the wr in stride. You show me this ill show you a smurf. The only way to stop running qbs is to penalize them for running backwards (this kills the game if your palying vs VY or vick even my boy tony romo) If the qb runs more than 10 yards:
                            take ten yards off the pass
                            make the qb do the hop step to pass the ball
                            make the ball hit the dirt Cb's can only cover for about 5 to 9 seconds depending on the pass rush
                            Float the ball
                            Over throw


                            but do something! Ive been a cowboy fan since the late 70's and ive never see a qb do the things in madden that ive seen on TV. You say “ITS IN THE GAME” then put it in the game. This will make the game very sim were it will force the madden player to make 3, 5, and 7 step drop backs and read the field

                            absolutely right my friend, you would think with all that knowledge they have, all the animations they can come up with, they could do something to stop this stupid unrealistic tactic

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                            • ram29jackson
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 1104

                              #15
                              Re: Dear Madden (How to stop people from running Qb backwards

                              all these people on sites like this pumping sim play and yet when I go online all I ever get is cheesefest-o-rama

                              I think true -at least want to be straight players - take up . 02 of the gaming population and or those people to have or dont care for online and just play at home or with friends. its just amazing- we have technology to play people across the country and yet they play like selfish 3 year olds displaying poor sportsmanship and typing foul words behind the internet curtain.

                              games are for kids , yes. but this is way beyond sticking a quarter in the machine at the pizza place so long ago-=-=-=-=-=---

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