Can't pass !

[packmanuk]

I'm having so much trouble passing. I can run fine but just throwing so many interceptions.

The only passes I can complete with any confidence are short crosses and screens.

Any tips on how to pass better or read defences ? Also any tips on the best playbooks.

[Feros Ferio 7]

Re: Can't pass !

I'm having so much trouble passing. I can run fine but just throwing so many interceptions.



The only passes I can complete with any confidence are short crosses and screens.



Any tips on how to pass better or read defences ? Also any tips on the best playbooks.

First, what throw style are you using (revamped, classic, accuracy, etc.)?


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[packmanuk]

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I'm using classic

[sherrane]

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I'm having so much trouble passing. I can run fine but just throwing so many interceptions.

The only passes I can complete with any confidence are short crosses and screens.

Any tips on how to pass better or read defences ? Also any tips on the best playbooks.

Are you able to distinguish between man and zone? That is the first step and you make subsequent reads based on that. Man coverage with one or more safeties playing a deep zone? Unless you flood one side of the field with 2 or more receivers, your deep pass has likely been taken away. If you have a GO route and a DIG our Deep Out on the same side, the In or Out receiver will likely be open but make sure the deep help is playing the GO.



Some people will say that a receiver is always open against man coverage because the QB can throw him open (make him alter his route by throwing behind him / making him break).


Zone you look for mismatches or floods. 2 defenders cannot cover 3 and someone will be open. If you have 2 receivers in a defender's zone, identify the receiver he is defending and throw to the other one after making sure another defender hasn't snuck underneath.



Best playbooks are an opinion. Everyone could have a different one and they aren't wrong. For passing, the Air Raid, Run and Shoot, and Spread will give you a lot of very good passing plays and concepts. I'd recommend Practice module to try which book you prefer.

[packmanuk]

Re: Can't pass !

I think my biggest problem is not knowing how to read the defence. I need to see that a player is open during the play which is why I'm fine with curls and crosses.

Is there a playbook where it's less important to read the defence prior to the snap ?

[canes21]

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Reading defenses does not need to be complicated.

There are a handful of things to look at when reading the defense pre-snap. I'll give some tips below, but realize these are basic generalizations.

First thing I look at when going to the line of scrimmage is how many safeties are deep. Typically there will be 1, 2, or 0 back deep. 1 back deep most likely means cover 3, cover 1, or a light blitz. 2 deep likely means cover 2, cover 2 man, cover 4, or cover 6 with less chance of blitz. No safeties deep means they are most likely bringing some heat.

After seeing how many safeties are back, make note of the CBs depth. If they are playing up on the WRs in their faces, it's 99% likely it is man. If they are playing back, odds are it is zone and their depth can tell you what type of zone.

2-high safeties with the outside CBs playing 5 yards off the WR? It's cover 2 zone. 1-high with the CBs playing 8-10 yards off the WRs and on their outside shoulder? It's cover 1 man. 2-high safety with 1 outside CB up on his WR while the CB on the other side of the field is off 8-10 yards? Cover 6.

Once you have some semblance of an idea of what they are running, you should know based off what route combination you picked as to what area of the field it will stress which will allow you to key in on a defender to read at the snap. For example, if they are showing cover 3 and you have a flood concept to the strong side, then you already know the CB with a deep zone will follow your streak route down the field, so that's likely not going to be there, so at the snap you should be reading whoever is playing the seam/flat area and watch whether they ride the deep out or jump on the flat route. His choice dictates where you're throwing the ball. He jumps the flat, throw the deep out. He stays back and rides the out, dump it to the flat route and get 5-6 easy yards.

If you can get a basic understanding of defensive concepts and then be half decent at reading the defense pre-snap, that's going to make your passing game take 10 steps forward. The better your understanding gets and the better you get at reading the defense pre-snap, the better your passing game gets. Then, you can start working on reading the defense better post-snap to better combat when the defense disguises their coverage.

But, to start things off, I'd simply make note of how many safeties are back, what depth the CBs are playing at, then make a guess of their coverage based off that. Once you make that guess, pick the defender you're reading a the snap. Also make note of who your safety valve is on the play, usually the RB on a swing or delayed route or a TE on a delayed route. At the snap, if your guess was right, read the defender and throw it to whoever he doesn't cover. If your guess was wrong, move on from that first read and dump it off to your RB or TE underneath who should be safe to throw to.

The worst thing you can do is try and complicate things and expect to be able to look at every single route on every single play before making a decision. Start off simple reading one guy based off your pre-snap guess. Once you're comfortable doing that and seeing yourself get better at reading defenses, then you can start throwing in a 2nd read, and potentially a 3rd if you get really good and have the OL for it.

An example would be with that flood example above, reading the streak route at the snap to see if a safety gives help or if they get 1 on 1 coverage, and if it is 1 on 1, reading the leverage and seeing if a 50/50 ball is worth throwing. You'll read all of this before the WR is even 10 yards down field. If that throw is there, throw it, if not, then read the key defender to see if he rides the out or takes the flat, and if both of those get covered up, you may eventually learn to read if the crossing route is coming open, and if so, good, hit it, if not, dump it off.

But getting to that level does take some time getting comfortable reading defenses pre and post snap and knowing who to read during the play, that's why I'd recommend at first just reading one defender and then dumping it off to the RB/TE if you don't like what you see.

I hope this helps. I'm happy to clear anything up. Ask questions if you want. I know I rambled and this may not all be clear.

[SilverBullet19]

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One of the best ways I can phrase to read the defense is not to watch your man get open. Identify your targets, then watch that area on the field. The defenders movement will tell you if it WILL be open long before it actually is. If it looks to be covered you move to your next target and do the same. That’s how you progress through your reads as a qb.

Easy beginners reads:

-on the snap check linebackers for blitzing. If they’re coming, you’ll need to throw quick

-identify your primary target. The game shows their route as red, but you may have another favorite on a play. You then need to watch the defenders in the area that route is heading. That will tell you if it’ll be open many times.

For example, if my primary target is a drag route, I’m looking at defenders just outside the tackle box on the side I want to throw it. I’m looking if they follow specific players or take an area (man v zone). Then if they vacate the area where my route is going, I know if it will work.

Curls don’t work well against hard flat coverage.

Dig routes will work if you see the center of the field without a coverage man in zone.

[Feros Ferio 7]

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I'm using classic

I'd switch to revamped.

The advice the others have given is excellent.

You also need a progression order that you set after your presnap read of the defense. That way you can adjust based on if your presnap read is correct. You also need a clock for each progression to then get the ball out on time.


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[sherrane]

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I think my biggest problem is not knowing how to read the defence. I need to see that a player is open during the play which is why I'm fine with curls and crosses.

Is there a playbook where it's less important to read the defence prior to the snap ?

No. The simplest reads are option offenses, but you said you already run effectively. There is no passing game that has reduced the importance of trying to figure out what the defense is doing.

One of the best ways I can phrase to read the defense is not to watch your man get open.

This is a very important concept and an excellent starting point. You know where your receivers are going to be. You don't know where the defensive players will be. I almost never look at my receivers until I have an idea what the defense is doing. Then I locate the receiver I think should be open to verify he isn't still trying to get off a jam.



Let's walk through the Scissors play from the Trey Open HB Str playbook (link) https://cfb.fan/25/playbooks/georgia...str/scissors/#


Your Split End is running a corner route on the left of the formation. Your Split TE / WR is also running a corner route on the right of the formation. Your slot WR is running a post on the left and your wide flanker is running an In while your RB is releasing to the right flat. You have at least two or three seconds before you are going to throw, so watch the defense. Unless I'm needing to make a short gain (5 -- 7 yards) to convert a 3rd down or they are blitzing, I always read deep to shallow. DBs first, LBs second, are they dropping a lineman into coverage?



Pre snap you try and identify the blitzers. One hint they have in the game is that unblocked defenders will be identified with flames / fire above them. Make sure they aren't blitzing at the snap because you will need to make a hot read. If the (wide flanker) In and Flat (RB) are covered, you likely want to throw the ball away under pressure. But one or both of them could be open. Another concept regarding beating the blitz is to "throw into the blitz". A receiver who is releasing into an area where the defender is blitzing is very likely to be open initially and will eventually be covered. As a rule of thumb in blitz pickup is that linemen and backs are responsible for blitzing LBs and Safeties, but the QB is ALWAYS responsible for a Corner blitz. Throw to the player they are lined up to defend unless the defense has two defenders stacked on that WR (which means they are tipping their hand and someone else will be open).



Are they playing man? You can determine this if defenders are guarding an area instead of a man. They are likely looking at you at QB than watching the receiver. Against man, corner route are open when the defender is playing a trailing position and using the sideline as a defender (shading the receiver on the inside). You throw a touch pass (NOT bullet) just before or just as the receiver makes the break toward the sideline. The pass should lead the receiver downfield and to the sideline and sail over the defender's head. CAREFUL: Make sure they aren't playing deep safeties who may get to the sideline to intercept. The In is the downfield route most likely to be open. But if the linebackers are playing zone OR you have a spy you will need to be careful with this throw.


Is this a Cover 2 zone? Watch the deep safety on your right and throw to the receiver he does not cover. Make sure it is not a Cover 3 or Cover 4 because you would be throwing into coverage.

[gator3guy]

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One small thing that helped me from a mechanics standpoint was pushing "Up" on the left stick as your QB is finishing his drop back. The default CPU pass rush is isane, so this helps to give you a bit more time in the pocket, be able to step into your throw, and if you do get sacked, lose minimal yardage.

[_-King-_]

Re: Can't pass !

One small thing that helped me from a mechanics standpoint was pushing "Up" on the left stick as your QB is finishing his drop back. The default CPU pass rush is isane, so this helps to give you a bit more time in the pocket, be able to step into your throw, and if you do get sacked, lose minimal yardage.

I think it's this more than anything. I've seen people claim there are more underthrows on classic but to me it feels just about the same on every passing mode. You need to step into anything further than like 5-10 yards downfield to make sure it isn't severely underthrown.

[piffbernd]

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I cant either, i dont know the progression in which Sequenz i should. Reading Option is Harder in Cfb. I Play with Coach mode.

[falcor1234]

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One thing that helped me read coverage pre snap is i went to practice and would have the defense line up in a cover 2man cover 2 zone cover 3 ect and just looked at the alignment of the defense. I didn’t run any plays. That helped me just recognize what shell they were in. Then I would watch the safeties and see how they rotated post snap to see if it’s cover 2 3 4 ect


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[dirk1970]

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CPU DB's are insanely/too quick in this game. Even if you have a receiver wide open, they will come after you. Lowering Pass defense reaction helps a little.


Next problem is the insane amount of drops by your receivers.
This is really killing the game for me.