AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

[VictorMG]

Amidst all the positive feedback about the game I've heard so far, this is one issue I've seen mixed opinions about, and it's a really big deal for me. Pick-and-roll followed by a post-up after a switch is a common action in the NBA, and I don't want the AI to be helpless against it.

I asked in the Questions thread but never got an answer. What's everybody seeing in this instance in 2K24, preferably with video evidence in either case?

Thanks.

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[Chairman7w]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I've been playing a lot of games with the Kings, and I throw in some post up plays to let Sabonis eat (usually 1 or 2 per qtr) and they OFTEN double-team him, which is great since I got 3pt shooters all over the place.

[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

FINALLY THANK YOU SOMEONE OTHER THAN MYSELF BRING THIS UP,

AI doesn't see this, IT MUST BE PATCHED!

ALSO, putting trae young on my luka right at the start of the game is already another game breaker, like CPU doesn't know what is matching up means!!!

[sirdez]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I've been playing a lot of games with the Kings, and I throw in some post up plays to let Sabonis eat (usually 1 or 2 per qtr) and they OFTEN double-team him, which is great since I got 3pt shooters all over the place.

I don't think this is what the thread is talking about. The CPU will often double team dangerous post players as a predetermined strategy, but its the lack of reacting to a mismatch that is an issue.

If I get a switch on a pick and roll and end up.with their guard defending my big on the block, the CPU shouldn't allow single coverage.

[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I don't think this is what the thread is talking about. The CPU will often double team dangerous post players as a predetermined strategy, but its the lack of reacting to a mismatch that is an issue.

If I get a switch on a pick and roll and end up.with their guard defending my big on the block, the CPU shouldn't allow single coverage.

perfectly said and i don't know why some of the guys here said this is OK, or even claimed that this is not happening, JOKE.

[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I've been playing a lot of games with the Kings, and I throw in some post up plays to let Sabonis eat (usually 1 or 2 per qtr) and they OFTEN double-team him, which is great since I got 3pt shooters all over the place.

the thread says so clearly, low-post mismatches!!!

[The 24th Letter]

AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Amidst all the positive feedback about the game I've heard so far, this is one issue I've seen mixed opinions about, and it's a really big deal for me. Pick-and-roll followed by a post-up after a switch is a common action in the NBA, and I don't want the AI to be helpless against it.

I asked in the Questions thread but never got an answer. What's everybody seeing in this instance in 2K24, preferably with video evidence in either case?

Thanks.

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I think it depends a lot on coaching tendencies but I’ve seen teams adjust to mismatches in various situations-

On the dribble handoff- Giannis vs. Grant Williams

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Out in transition - Giannis on an island vs. Green

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(Doesn’t fit the description because I believe the DT came before the post up, but thought it was a cool adjustment made by the AI defense)

Off the pick and roll - Jokic vs. Brooks

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Just some examples that happened within the flow of the game. I’m not really big on running tests and all that so I can’t tell you the % of which they happen, but I’ve seen them happen.


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[DonWuan]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Needs to be patched. You can take your big from the 3pt line and back down slowly to under the rim and easy basket everytime.

[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I think it depends a lot on coaching tendencies but I’ve seen teams adjust to mismatches in various situations-

On the dribble handoff- Giannis vs. Grant Williams

https://media3.giphy.com/media/9FeFd6UIyPcO070Ate/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d70317c7ed92a8b679ccc26828dfdb367dcc492e02&ep=v1_gifs_username_username&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Out in transition - Giannis on an island vs. Green

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(Doesn’t fit the description because I believe the DT came before the post up, but thought it was a cool adjustment made by the AI defense)

Off the pick and roll - Jokic vs. Brooks

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Just some examples that happened within the flow of the game. I’m not really big on running tests and all that so I can’t tell you the % of which they happen, but I’ve seen them happen.


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Um, top tier superstars get treated differently by AI, meaning, you can't use guys like Giannis, Embidd, Curry, to do these type of testings, because AI knows they are top tier superstars, they are a lot more sensitive to just those limited number of guys that they would know they need to double team.

The thread is more about how normal mismatches triggered by pick and roll leading into a big posting up on a small situation, GENERAL SITUATION.

[VictorMG]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Um, top tier superstars get treated differently by AI, meaning, you can't use guys like Giannis, Embidd, Curry, to do these type of testings, because AI knows they are top tier superstars, they are a lot more sensitive to just those limited number of guys that they would know they need to double team.

The thread is more about how normal mismatches triggered by pick and roll leading into a big posting up on a small situation, GENERAL SITUATION.

Are you sure that's true? The only thing I've heard about anything like that being hardcoded is the AI being aggressive defensively against Jordan at all times when you play in that era.


Other than that, I assume everything is dictated by ratings, and not just "X rating has to be Y number or higher," but presumably ratings differential, i.e., "X rating has to be Y points higher than defender's Z rating."

[The 24th Letter]

AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Um, top tier superstars get treated differently by AI, meaning, you can't use guys like Giannis, Embidd, Curry, to do these type of testings, because AI knows they are top tier superstars, they are a lot more sensitive to just those limited number of guys that they would know they need to double team.

The thread is more about how normal mismatches triggered by pick and roll leading into a big posting up on a small situation, GENERAL SITUATION.

With all due respect. I’m discussing Victors topic, not your take on it. If HE mentions that it’s not what the thread is about, We can go from there.

You’ve already mentioned Giannis and Jokic specifically as players you “tested” this with. Why does that change now? You’ve also stated you didn’t finish a game of 2K23, Which tells me you haven’t really seen how the AI adapts as the game progresses.

So I’m much more concerned with moving this conversation forward with people who have really dug into that side of the game. It’s not really about who’s right and wrong.

So…from a mismatch standpoint, are we actually saying we can beat the HOF CPU by backing down the entire game with bigger players because the AI doesn’t adjust at all?

[jkits]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Here's a double team by the A.I. when I tried to take advantage of a mismatch. Was actually really good to see:
It starts at 1:24 time stamp

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[The 24th Letter]

AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Other than that, I assume everything is dictated by ratings, and not just "X rating has to be Y number or higher," but presumably ratings differential, i.e., "X rating has to be Y points higher than defender's Z rating."

I think in older 2K’s that was exactly how it was dictated. I remember in 2K21 they would do things like send a double team when Shaq was guarding Tim Duncan because his post rating was so high, lol

I think it’s a bit more nuanced now. In that Rockets matchup for example, The doubled Jokic the very first play vs. the starting center, Didn’t the next, Then sent digs the play after that.


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[sirdez]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

The CPU often countered the switch in 2k23 by having the "smaller" post defender strip the attacking players dribble before he could go up for a shot.

There's still a lot of double teaming by the CPU but it seems less situational based and more reputation based/predetermined. If I get a switch and end up with Brook Lopez backing down Trae Young on the block, generally the CPU isn't sending help or trying to switch back. Whereas, if the CPU starts someone undersized at the 5 and I get the ball to Lopez on the block, they may double team as it's a predetermined strategy.

One thing I did notice last year is if your player gets hot, the CPU will sometimes send a double team straight away to get the ball out of their hands, which is cool.

[VictorMG]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I was seeing double-teams before, even with non-mismatches, but now...











I hope a patch or update didn't cause this.