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  • tessl
    All Star
    • Apr 2007
    • 5649

    #1

    Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

    There are issues with franchise that were patched out of the game and have now returned.

    For example in franchise mode if you tell a batter to bunt he will try to bunt every pitch. That had been a problem but was fixed so he only bunted at strikes. Now the glitch is back in the game.

    Pitcher fatigue used to have no impact on performance. A pitcher with no stamina would keep on pitching with no noticeable impact. That was patched to that at 25% of fatigue the attributes would decline progressively as he got more fatigued. I've played 100 games in manage mode and I see no negative impact.

    At one time you didn't have to tell a runner on a 3-2 pitch/2 out/force play to run. He would automatically run. Now that is glitched and you have to tell him to run.

    If the AI expects a user controlled batter to bunt there is no way to tell him to swing away. If you don't tell him to bunt he will stand and take pitch after pitch.

    An example with quirks. Manny Machado has a clutch rating of 99 and a quirk that says table setter - performs better when no runners are on. 99 is the maximum rating.

    I won't mention carry over saves which used to be in the game and are now gone. Oops - I mentioned it.

    Submit bug reports and nothing happens.

    It's a great game but frustrating at the lack of attention to this mode. The red headed stepchild of MLBTS.
  • jcar0725
    "ADAPT OR DIE"
    • Aug 2010
    • 3787

    #2
    Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

    Are you talking about manage only mode?



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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52636

      #3
      Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

      Sounds more like manage only mode issues instead of franchise mode


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      • unhittable
        Rookie
        • May 2009
        • 54

        #4
        Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

        Clutch rating is only for RISP. Table setter is when no one is on. These are two completely different things, and not related whatsoever like you think. Table setter will increase his ability to get on when there is no one on and does not effect clutch.

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        • forme95
          MVP
          • Nov 2013
          • 3103

          #5
          Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

          Manage mode never had automatic runner on two out full counts. You always had to tell the runner to run. I've been irritated by that for years. Irritating yes, gamebreaker no.
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          • Funkycorm
            Cleveland Baseball Guru
            • Nov 2016
            • 3149

            #6
            Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

            I feel you on your frustrations with the game. I also know you play manage mode and though it is in the game, I think it is very low priority for SDS. Just like retro mode. It's there. That's it.

            It sounds like some of your issues are with manage mode and not franchise as I assume they can be replicated on exhibition mode playing manage mode.

            Honestly I don't think manage mode will get much attention now or in the future as I imagine it is a very niche mode for the overall player base and their metrics show that. Remember, our franchise heavy user base here is the extreme minority and manage mode users are an even smaller percentage of that small percent of franchise players.

            As far as y2y. Yeah it sucks. But, one of the lead designers did explain back in late 2021 (I believe that is when it was) why it was removed. If y2y holds back franchise, I would rather see y2y saves be gone and franchise make progress.

            Losing y2y did suck. For most of us. But we have to accept it is gone. Even if we don't like it.

            As far as being captainless, I don't think that is the case. On the franchise stream, it was very clear that the franchise designers are passionate about the game so they have a vision. Remember though that having a vision does not mean automatic additions to the game as there are many factors involved.
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            • forme95
              MVP
              • Nov 2013
              • 3103

              #7
              Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

              Originally posted by tessl
              There are issues with franchise that were patched out of the game and have now returned.

              For example in franchise mode if you tell a batter to bunt he will try to bunt every pitch. That had been a problem but was fixed so he only bunted at strikes. Now the glitch is back in the game.

              I havent bunted much and when I do its usually a pitch I know will be a strike and hopefully thrown low. I do know if you pick bunt for hit hes bunting no matter the pitch. I havent sac bunt enough to see if he pulls back. I'll have to watch for that.

              Pitcher fatigue used to have no impact on performance. A pitcher with no stamina would keep on pitching with no noticeable impact. That was patched to that at 25% of fatigue the attributes would decline progressively as he got more fatigued. I've played 100 games in manage mode and I see no negative impact.

              I think this work as intended now. Remember confidence plays a role in this as well. If pitchers confidence is really high programming is going to allow the pitcher to be more successful so to say. I will say it seems most times, that the managed team pitcher falls off faster when fatigued then the oppo pitcher is fatigued.

              At one time you didn't have to tell a runner on a 3-2 pitch/2 out/force play to run. He would automatically run. Now that is glitched and you have to tell him to run.

              Already addressed. It has never been in the game. MLBTS22 same, you have to tell them to run.

              If the AI expects a user controlled batter to bunt there is no way to tell him to swing away. If you don't tell him to bunt he will stand and take pitch after pitch.

              I dont understand this one, sorry. Are you trying to cancel a bunt after you call for it?

              I won't mention carry over saves which used to be in the game and are now gone. Oops - I mentioned it.

              Has been gone since PS5. Still nice to bring up if only for hope.

              Submit bug reports and nothing happens.

              It's a great game but frustrating at the lack of attention to this mode. The red headed stepchild of MLBTS.

              EDIT: I tried bunt for hit and also sac bunt. Both attempts in the game the batter did for 1 pitch. Next pitch with no input, normal at bat.
              Last edited by forme95; 05-21-2023, 11:14 AM. Reason: Bunts
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              Only thing SIM about sports games now, are the team name and players
              CFB 25 The absolute GOAT!!!
              MLB 23 FOREVER 20 is better, 23 just for Guardians
              Madden get rid of the extras (SS/XF, HFA, media, scenarios, game plan) or turn them down considerably.

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              • tessl
                All Star
                • Apr 2007
                • 5649

                #8
                Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                Originally posted by forme95
                EDIT: I tried bunt for hit and also sac bunt. Both attempts in the game the batter did for 1 pitch. Next pitch with no input, normal at bat.
                In manage mode you have no choice but to bunt if the AI expects a bunt. I've played 100 games this year. I've not seen a batter take a pitch when instructed to bunt.

                There was a time when the runners would go automatically in manage mode in 2 out force play 3-2 count situations. It has been a few years but it was in the game at one point.

                For those saying manage mode isn't part of franchise. When you select calendar to play a game in franchise there is an option to manage the game. That's manage mode. When I submit a bug report for manage mode if I don't put it under franchise where would I put it?

                Another glitch this season is L2 = X is supposed to be "pitch to batter". The graphic still says "pitch to batter" but for some reason it now is pitchout.

                My point is things get broken that used to work fine and then never fixed. Things that had been bugged and fixed have been undone and broken again. My custom uniforms even got bugged after patch 5. The blurb on patches says "no gameplay changes" and there obviously are changes. Perhaps SDS needs to take a look at who is accessing the mode.

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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52636

                  #9
                  Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                  Originally posted by tessl
                  In manage mode you have no choice but to bunt if the AI expects a bunt. I've played 100 games this year. I've not seen a batter take a pitch when instructed to bunt.

                  There was a time when the runners would go automatically in manage mode in 2 out force play 3-2 count situations. It has been a few years but it was in the game at one point.

                  For those saying manage mode isn't part of franchise. When you select calendar to play a game in franchise there is an option to manage the game. That's manage mode. When I submit a bug report for manage mode if I don't put it under franchise where would I put it?

                  Another glitch this season is L2 = X is supposed to be "pitch to batter". The graphic still says "pitch to batter" but for some reason it now is pitchout.

                  My point is things get broken that used to work fine and then never fixed. Things that had been bugged and fixed have been undone and broken again. My custom uniforms even got bugged after patch 5. The blurb on patches says "no gameplay changes" and there obviously are changes. Perhaps SDS needs to take a look at who is accessing the mode.

                  You’re issues aren’t franchise mode related, they are manage only mode gameplay related.

                  When you submit a bug for the issues you’re having it should go under gameplay and then explain in the comments that it’s MOM related.


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                  • CBoller1331
                    It Appears I Blue Myself
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 3081

                    #10
                    Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                    Originally posted by tessl
                    For those saying manage mode isn't part of franchise. When you select calendar to play a game in franchise there is an option to manage the game. That's manage mode. When I submit a bug report for manage mode if I don't put it under franchise where would I put it?
                    I think those comments were more responding to the title of the thread being a little misleading. Your title suggests that the whole Franchise mode has no direction or plan, and then your post was only about issues on a relatively lesser-used play-style within the mode. That isn't to insult any one who plays MoM, it's just not the most popular way to play the game. I certainly get that these issues are frustrating, they just aren't really related to the direction that Franchise mode is going

                    Originally posted by tessl
                    My point is things get broken that used to work fine and then never fixed. Things that had been bugged and fixed have been undone and broken again. My custom uniforms even got bugged after patch 5. The blurb on patches says "no gameplay changes" and there obviously are changes. Perhaps SDS needs to take a look at who is accessing the mode.
                    I'm not entirely sure if these things fall under "gameplay changes." I think that usually covers things like changes to the gameplay mechanics (like changing the PCI sensitivity or changing the PAR size for Pure Analog pitching). Not really sure if Manage Mode would fall into that since you aren't controlling the players and the game is just being simulated. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but it seems like the changes you are hoping to see would just fall into the "miscellaneous fixes" on the patch notes.
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                    • Funkycorm
                      Cleveland Baseball Guru
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 3149

                      #11
                      Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                      Originally posted by tessl
                      In manage mode you have no choice but to bunt if the AI expects a bunt. I've played 100 games this year. I've not seen a batter take a pitch when instructed to bunt.

                      There was a time when the runners would go automatically in manage mode in 2 out force play 3-2 count situations. It has been a few years but it was in the game at one point.

                      For those saying manage mode isn't part of franchise. When you select calendar to play a game in franchise there is an option to manage the game. That's manage mode. When I submit a bug report for manage mode if I don't put it under franchise where would I put it?

                      Another glitch this season is L2 = X is supposed to be "pitch to batter". The graphic still says "pitch to batter" but for some reason it now is pitchout.

                      My point is things get broken that used to work fine and then never fixed. Things that had been bugged and fixed have been undone and broken again. My custom uniforms even got bugged after patch 5. The blurb on patches says "no gameplay changes" and there obviously are changes. Perhaps SDS needs to take a look at who is accessing the mode.
                      What I am saying is that manage mode isn't part of franchise. It is a way to play within franchise. Just like you can quick manage, play full game, and play retro mode within franchise. You can play all of these games outside of franchise mode. Manage mode is not franchise dependent nor the other way around. Different teams work on franchise and gameplay.

                      And like I said, I understand your frustrations. Submit a gameplay bug report for manage mode. It's a way that very few play here and my guess very few play with overall. It is low priority. I am not knocking and I hope you think I wasn't knocking how you play. It's your game. Play how you want. But I do think you should understand that manage mode is a very small subset within an already small subset of franchise players and many changes or fixes are unlikely. It's like CPU vs CPU in most games. It is not a priority.

                      Again no offense, but your title is misleading too.
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                      • tessl
                        All Star
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5649

                        #12
                        Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                        Originally posted by unhittable
                        Clutch rating is only for RISP. Table setter is when no one is on. These are two completely different things, and not related whatsoever like you think. Table setter will increase his ability to get on when there is no one on and does not effect clutch.
                        Does that make sense? Bases empty he is a good hitter. Runner on first he isn't as good. Runners on first and second he is a good hitter.

                        The great thing about video games is there are plenty to choose from. If the one you are playing ends up in a ditch you get a different one and move on.

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                        • Ghost Of The Year
                          Sweet Emotion.
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 6318

                          #13
                          Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                          Originally posted by tessl
                          Does that make sense? Bases empty he is a good hitter. Runner on first he isn't as good. Runners on first and second he is a good hitter.

                          The great thing about video games is there are plenty to choose from. If the one you are playing ends up in a ditch you get a different one and move on.
                          Maybe when there's only a runner on first, he changes his approach to his at-bat, trying to protect that runner on first.
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                          • tessl
                            All Star
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 5649

                            #14
                            Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                            Originally posted by countryboy
                            You’re issues aren’t franchise mode related, they are manage only mode gameplay related.

                            When you submit a bug for the issues you’re having it should go under gameplay and then explain in the comments that it’s MOM related.


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                            When I submit bug reports I do in in multiple places just in case somebody who might care would act but thus far I've had little success as evidenced by the longstanding problems continuing and problems returning that had been fixed.

                            Maybe you could try it. Submit a bug report for one or more of the problems I've identified and see if it gets fixed.

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                            • forme95
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 3103

                              #15
                              Re: Am I the only one who has the feeling the Franchise ship has no captain?

                              SDS (and pretty much every sports game) wants you to play. Francgise plays fine and can be customized to every/any players enjoyment. BUT, it has to be played. CvC and Manage mode (idk why it's even options anymore) are not options anymore like they use to be. They don't care if someone has disabilities, like the mode because you want to see the players play to ratings and the players you put on the field, or in my case can't play more then 45 to 60 games a year because my hand won't let me play more then 1 or 2 games a day and I can only play Saturday and/or Sunday. With MoM I could get 8 to 9 games in on a weekend. Cant do that anymore. If you want to somewhat enjoy franchise, you have to jump through all the hoops and physically play. Which then make players play by your input and not by ratings.

                              Aliens and dinosaurs in created stadiums are what matters to SDS.

                              No bug report or multiple reports on here or the theshow site matter. It is not looked at or considered. Franchise plays as intended and is perfect and working fine. It just has to be customized to your liking or to the point you can actually play. Even if you hate simming and won't quick manage because again, it's in the game, it just isn't intended to be played that way. If it takes multiple iterations for you to get through 1 season, then well you play as long as you can and start over the next iteration.
                              Really wish sports games played to ratings!
                              Only thing SIM about sports games now, are the team name and players
                              CFB 25 The absolute GOAT!!!
                              MLB 23 FOREVER 20 is better, 23 just for Guardians
                              Madden get rid of the extras (SS/XF, HFA, media, scenarios, game plan) or turn them down considerably.

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