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**CookNBA03** · 11-17-2022, 11:52 AM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Good chunk of the Dub’s roster get decreases in overalls except the three dudes who probably need it the most.

**mjk94** · 11-17-2022, 12:20 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

And still no contracts were updated ( rj barrett..)

**pjt8405** · 11-17-2022, 12:36 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by CookNBA03

Good chunk of the Dub’s roster get decreases in overalls except the three dudes who probably need it the most.

Exactly. Defense/Athletic ratings are continually being ignored, hence why there is no decrease for Kaly or Draymond. They didn't even touch the 3PT shooting for Klay which makes it evident there is a bias toward the Warriors in general IMO.

Jerami Grant has been phenomenal for the Blazers yet gets completely ignored. Anfernee Simons has been very consistent for Portland, yet gets ignored, and still has a VERY LOW 79 Stamina for 2 years in a row.

Killian Hayes has actually played well over the past few games, yet he goes down in OVR

No update for Kyle Kuzma or Rui Hachimura, despite both playing very well for Washington. Johnny Davis and Vernon Carey Jr are G-League rostered players who have been awful in limited NBA mins but yet they have a 74 OVR/73 OVR in rating. Make it make sense.

Clint Capela has averaged 14 PPG, 15 RPG, on 62% FG from 11.2-11.15 games (2K didn't count 11.2 or 11.16 games in their data for the last two roster updates) but yet he had no change from 81 OVR

DeAndre Hunter continually gets ignored and is a lowly 76 OVR despite averaging 17 PPG & 4RPG in that same span. Dejounte Murray has been awesome for ATL yet not rating but (+1) at all.

I can go on and on with examples. This is definitely becoming frustrating that 2K refuses to update Defense or Athletic ratings at all despite the desperate need for them

**keylo36** · 11-17-2022, 01:03 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by pjt8405

Exactly. Defense/Athletic ratings are continually being ignored, hence why there is no decrease for Kaly or Draymond. They didn't even touch the 3PT shooting for Klay which makes it evident there is a bias toward the Warriors in general IMO.

It almost feels like 2K is trying to be friendly with Klay after he and Ronnie had a public disagreement regarding his rating, specifically his 3PT rating.

**CookNBA03** · 11-17-2022, 01:42 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by pjt8405

Exactly. Defense/Athletic ratings are continually being ignored, hence why there is no decrease for Kaly or Draymond. They didn't even touch the 3PT shooting for Klay which makes it evident there is a bias toward the Warriors in general IMO.

Jerami Grant has been phenomenal for the Blazers yet gets completely ignored. Anfernee Simons has been very consistent for Portland, yet gets ignored, and still has a VERY LOW 79 Stamina for 2 years in a row.

Killian Hayes has actually played well over the past few games, yet he goes down in OVR

No update for Kyle Kuzma or Rui Hachimura, despite both playing very well for Washington. Johnny Davis and Vernon Carey Jr are G-League rostered players who have been awful in limited NBA mins but yet they have a 74 OVR/73 OVR in rating. Make it make sense.

Clint Capela has averaged 14 PPG, 15 RPG, on 62% FG from 11.2-11.15 games (2K didn't count 11.2 or 11.16 games in their data for the last two roster updates) but yet he had no change from 81 OVR

DeAndre Hunter continually gets ignored and is a lowly 76 OVR despite averaging 17 PPG & 4RPG in that same span. Dejounte Murray has been awesome for ATL yet not rating but (+1) at all.

I can go on and on with examples. This is definitely becoming frustrating that 2K refuses to update Defense or Athletic ratings at all despite the desperate need for them

LeBron getting nothing but his position changed is hilarious

**Guard-ian** · 11-17-2022, 02:00 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by pjt8405

...
DeAndre Hunter continually gets ignored and is a lowly 76 OVR despite averaging 17 PPG & 4RPG in that same span...

This one caught my attention Hunter should be closer to 80 and with several badges (but still a flat 76)... in the meantime... Lebron still a 96 is starting to smell bad already... LOL.

**Real2KInsider** · 11-17-2022, 04:33 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

BADGE UPDATES
Jayson Tatum: 43 (+3)
Max Strus: 8 (+3)
Lauri Markkanen: 8 (+5)
Obi Toppin: 6 (+2)
Ben Simmons: 20 (-6)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 7 (+1)
Devin Vassell: 4 (+3)

Credit should be given where it is due. 2K is much more on top of badges than they were last year. They still have a LONG way to go.

This also doesn't reflect badge updates where the totals didn't change. For example last update Donovan Mitchell had some badges upgraded even though no new ones were added. I expect to find something similar w/ Jayson Tatum this time around (and the inverse w/ Ben Simmons).

Originally posted by pjt8405

Exactly. Defense/Athletic ratings are continually being ignored, hence why there is no decrease for Kaly or Draymond. They didn't even touch the 3PT shooting for Klay which makes it evident there is a bias toward the Warriors in general IMO.

We have known for 20 years that 2K overrates superstars and has no qualms about breaking their scales to ensure they maintain high OVRs. The reasons for this are financially motivated. (This comes from someone in the upper echelons of the company).

Kobe Bryant was overrated for pretty much his entire 30s. Kids were buying games to play with him. Dirk Nowitzki was another example of a player who had a few attributes kept arbitrarily high so that he'd maintain his OVR. It's the same deal with LeBron and Curry.

As we've seen in a host of other forum topics, FEELINGS > FACTS for a lot of people, even those in their 40s. 10% of fans might want Klay Thompson's rating dropped but 90% are uninformed / casuals - who also happen to be the most outspoken/disgruntled - and not annual buyers.

Jerami Grant has been phenomenal for the Blazers yet gets completely ignored. Anfernee Simons has been very consistent for Portland, yet gets ignored, and still has a VERY LOW 79 Stamina for 2 years in a row.

I will just say that about 95% of the players with OVR changes, they can be explained just from diving in. On the surface something might seem off, but it's usually not the case.

Simons for example is at basically the same production he was at last season. His play also didn't improve over the last ratings cycle.
First two weeks: 22 PPG, 4 APG, 37 MPG (44-37-90)
Last two weeks: 23 PPG, 4 APG, 35 MPG (40-38-82)

I personally was surprised Darius Garland didn't go up given he dropped 51 in his last game. But then saw he shot 6-28 from the field in the two games leading up to that. It's human nature that we fixate on the good memories and discard the bad ones.

Clint Capela has averaged 14 PPG, 15 RPG, on 62% FG from 11.2-11.15 games (2K didn't count 11.2 or 11.16 games in their data for the last two roster updates) but yet he had no change from 81 OVR

This is an example that stuck out to me as nitpicking.

Capela
2022 Basic: 11.1 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 27.6 MPG, 61.3 FG%
2023 Basic: 11.4 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 27.4 MPG, 60.5 FG%

2022 Advanced: 60.4 TS%, 15.5 USG%, 23.5 REB%, 4.1 BLK%
2023 Advanced: 60.5 TS%, 15.9 USG%, 22.7 REB%, 4.6 BLK%

Capela is the same exact player he was last season. No change is necessary because 2K didn't overreact to the small sample of the first two weeks.

Killian Hayes has actually played well over the past few games, yet he goes down in OVR

Killian Hayes is shooting 31% from the field (37 TS%). Come on man. A three-game stretch doesn't eliminate the 11 games he shot 20% from the field.

He's a major reason why DET's bench units have been a train wreck (they're like -20 when the starters exit!) and why the team is worst in the East. He should have a higher rating to get him in the AI rotation, but not because he's been playing well.

I think a lot of these OVR critiques constitute nitpicking. 2K largely has production-related attributes under control. Keep them focused on the larger issues that actually matter:

This is definitely becoming frustrating that 2K refuses to update Defense or Athletic ratings at all despite the desperate need for them

Those attributes SHOULD be stable and not getting changed frequently.
The thing is they should be getting reviewed once a year rather than once every FIVE years.

The roster devs butchered a handful of players like Simons many years ago (who has come a long way since the 7 MPG of his rookie season), and they are so disconnected from the community that they can't hear anyone's cries. As mentioned, it is OVER A YEAR that users have been making this specific complaint, across a multitude of media. There's a 10-second solution to a 1,000-day old problem. Yet they are so disconnected from their own work that they likely don't even know it's an issue. They prefer to work blindly in the dark because they can't take criticism, no matter how justified.

They only seem to address long-term issues when I make an especially venomous & pointed stink on Twitter, so maybe I should try that.

**leoribas3** · 11-17-2022, 05:05 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Look Im also a believer that 2k could do a way better job at updating rosters but this Killian Hayes take bro… dude is literally one of the worst NBA players ive ever watched. Hes a bum. He stinks bro. You couldve left that one out lol. Outside of that i agree with yall

**Real2KInsider** · 11-17-2022, 05:11 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by keylo36

It almost feels like 2K is trying to be friendly with Klay after he and Ronnie had a public disagreement regarding his rating, specifically his 3PT rating.

Naw the irony is 2K was already treating Klay like that long before that spat. He has been grandfathered into his 3pt ratings & badges even before his injuries.

Originally posted by CookNBA03

LeBron getting nothing but his position changed is hilarious

I do plan on breaking that down in a video. It's worth noting LeBron was 4-9 3PT in his last game. He has blamed his early-season shooting woes on an illness. I'm not racing to drop him but a 94 is probably reasonable as we wait for more data points.

The Lakers are currently 30th Offensively owing primarily to the fact that nobody else on the team can hit a three either (31%), despite the presence of two star players. They signed Troy Brown for the minimum and he's the starting SF. The Pistons meanwhile got Bojan Bogdanovic for the king's ransom of Kelly Olynyk and the right to waive Saben Lee.

That Rob Pelinka got a contract extension should say all one needs to know about the trajectory of the franchise.

Originally posted by Guard-ian

This one caught my attention Hunter should be closer to 80 and with several badges (but still a flat 76)

Small Forwards were hurt the most by the badge re-scale (Hunter previously had 10). Most of them are designed w/ PGs and Cs in mind. Unless a wing is a knockdown shooter, they likely have very few now (if any at all).

Harrison Barnes (7), Cam Reddish (13), Danuel House (11) are other examples of SFs who had their count knocked down to zero.

**CookNBA03** · 11-17-2022, 05:24 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by Real2KInsider

Naw the irony is 2K was already treating Klay like that long before that spat. He has been grandfathered into his 3pt ratings & badges even before his injuries.

I do plan on breaking that down in a video. It's worth noting LeBron was 4-9 3PT in his last game. He has blamed his early-season shooting woes on an illness. I'm not racing to drop him but a 94 is probably reasonable as we wait for more data points.

The Lakers are currently 30th Offensively owing primarily to the fact that nobody else on the team can hit a three either (31%), despite the presence of two star players. They signed Troy Brown for the minimum and he's the starting SF. The Pistons meanwhile got Bojan Bogdanovic for the king's ransom of Kelly Olynyk and the right to waive Saben Lee.

That Rob Pelinka got a contract extension should say all one needs to know about the trajectory of the franchise.

Small Forwards were hurt the most by the badge re-scale (Hunter previously had 10). Most of them are designed w/ PGs and Cs in mind. Unless a wing is a knockdown shooter, they likely have very few now (if any at all).

Harrison Barnes (7), Cam Reddish (13), Danuel House (11) are other examples of SFs who had their count knocked down to zero.

Where do you have Bron’s defense at?

**Real2KInsider** · 11-17-2022, 05:30 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

One more rating update:

Zach Collins: 76 (+1)

Missable because he's currently injured.

Shaedon Sharpe was also listed twice. 75 (+1) is for this week. 74 (+2) was for the last update.

Originally posted by CookNBA03

Where do you have Bron’s defense at?

Lower than 2K, but not by a substantial margin. It might feel like forever ago, but the Lakers had the #1 defense in 2021.

LeBron's 97 Pass Perception is definitely one of those grandfathered ratings. He hasn't been top 20 in Steal rate since 2012.

**pjt8405** · 11-17-2022, 05:39 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by leoribas3

Look Im also a believer that 2k could do a way better job at updating rosters but this Killian Hayes take bro… dude is literally one of the worst NBA players ive ever watched. Hes a bum. He stinks bro. You couldve left that one out lol. Outside of that i agree with yall

With Killian Hayes specifically, he has played better over the last sample size date range of 11.2-11.15. I don't think he deserved to go down is all I'm saying as he improved his shooting slightly so he shouldn't have deserved to go down. IMO, he hasn't been properly rated defensively and athletically. I wasn't expecting a massive boost or anything, just a slight fix to those areas which potentially may bump his rating slightly.

Looking at some areas that could minorly improve and help him get to a respectable 72 OVR based on this sample size. Like I said nothing earth shattering

75 Speed & Acceleration > 80 Speed/ACC
74 Speed With Ball - 79 Speed With Ball
55 Defensive consistency > 60 Defensive Consistency
50 Intangibles> 70 Intangibles
63 3PT > 69 3PT

**Real2KInsider** · 11-17-2022, 05:52 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by pjt8405

With Killian Hayes specifically, he has played better over the last sample size date range of 11.2-11.15.

Yeah I mean the problem is he played like a 60 OVR in the first two weeks. Just think of this update as an unwritten +10 rather than a -1.

Looking at some areas that could minorly improve and help him get to a respectable 72 OVR based on this sample size. Like I said nothing earth shattering

75 Speed & Acceleration > 80 Speed/ACC
74 Speed With Ball - 79 Speed With Ball

We both know those attributes aren't production-based and didn't factor here. They are part of the larger problem that needs addressing.

63 3PT > 69 3PT

Hayes 3PT
2021: 20-72 (28%)
2022: 44-167 (26%)
2023: 8-33 3PT (24%)
Career: 72-272 (27%)

Take away a recent 3-6 game and he's 5-27 (19%) on the year.

The bigger issue is he's 34% on Twos, including 27% At Rim.

50 Intangibles> 70 Intangibles

They should realistically be maxing this one out because his on-court performance is nowhere near good enough to get him into their rotation otherwise.

I agree that Hayes OVR needs to go up but not for reasons related to his play. I am definitely splitting hairs here. It's quite the roster design 2K Sports has since bringing Stauffer in that we both can be right about a ****ty player being simultaneously over & underrated.

**CookNBA03** · 11-17-2022, 05:55 PM

Re: NBA 2K23 Official Roster Update (11.17.22) - 2nd Ratings Update

Originally posted by Real2KInsider

One more rating update:

Zach Collins: 76 (+1)

Missable because he's currently injured.

Shaedon Sharpe was also listed twice. 75 (+1) is for this week. 74 (+2) was for the last update.

Lower than 2K, but not by a substantial margin. It might feel like forever ago, but the Lakers had the #1 defense in 2021.

LeBron's 97 Pass Perception is definitely one of those grandfathered ratings. He hasn't been top 20 in Steal rate since 2012.

They’re middle of the pack defensively this year with worst personnel than they had two seasons ago. Weren’t they just top 5 defensively?

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