Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

[extremeskins04]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

This can all be fixed if 2k added a Help Defense Attention" meter for every player in the Coaching section of the pause menu. So, like, if we're playing against Cleveland, we can set LeBron's Help Defense Attention to 100, so that everyone will be focused on bringing help defense when he drives, but we can set jr smith to like 50, so when he drives, help defense will come, but not as strong as when LeBron drives.

That's how it works in real life. As of now, our only option is to set help defense strength to the same value for everybody, so that the help on a jr smith drive will look the same as on a James drive.

Hell, to even add to that, if you set someone to 100, the defense should shade, tilt the court, whatever you wanna call it, toward that player when he gets the ball in position to make a play (i.e., at or inside the three-point line).

110% agree. This would definitely work I think.

[ChaseB]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

This can all be fixed if 2k added a Help Defense Attention" meter for every player in the Coaching section of the pause menu. So, like, if we're playing against Cleveland, we can set LeBron's Help Defense Attention to 100, so that everyone will be focused on bringing help defense when he drives, but we can set jr smith to like 50, so when he drives, help defense will come, but not as strong as when LeBron drives.

That's how it works in real life. As of now, our only option is to set help defense strength to the same value for everybody, so that the help on a jr smith drive will look the same as on a James drive.

Hell, to even add to that, if you set someone to 100, the defense should shade, tilt the court, whatever you wanna call it, toward that player when he gets the ball in position to make a play (i.e., at or inside the three-point line).

Yeah you're talking about gravity so to speak. It's probably not quite as cut and dry as you don't want to leave players like Kyrie or Korver open on the drive either way, but I get the concept.

[BQ32]

Defense is just a complete mess in 2k16 and the help defense is only 1 issue. The AI on on ball defense is godlike at times allowing a slow big to stay in front of super quick guards and wings (sucking the fun out of dribble drives), however if you want to play offball d you can easily be exploited because of the clunky mechanics in changing direction (on defense) and getting sucked into animations when you just want to sprint over and cover the open man. Its very easy for the offense to slide behind a user controlled player while making a deflection on reaction is nearly impossible. this leads to constant short passes in the paint for dunks. Add in the constant jump hopping to pump fake exploit used at the NBA and higher levels and the game just looks like a mess. lets not even get into the horrid transition d which is only not exploited more severly because of nerfs to offensive running speed, players not filling lanes correctly, forced missed passes, and that stupid momentum carry where a shooter needs to catch and take a minimum of two steps and a turn to get a shot off. It seems you are screwed either way and have to defend based on what you opposing player does not know how to exploit. This is a series driven by casuals and their awe of good looking graphics and animations but have somehow convinced them all that it is the truest sim of all sport games. To be honest so much needs to be overhauled to play nba like basketball i cant get my hopes up.

[GregS1981]

The help defense was really overaggressive in 2K16, to the point where if u run a simple P'n'R u can get a wide open 3 on most possessions. It sounds like there are options in 2K17 to set where the help comes from and who not to leave. This sounds great in theory. The settings in 2K16 weren't nearly specific enough. Also the hedge defense is way too aggressive in 2K16, the only truly effective way to defend the P'n'R in 2K16 is to set it to no hedge. No hedge in 2K16 was more of a soft hedge and it's by far the most efficient option. The P'n'R seemed to cause the most issues as far as breaking the defense in 2K16, hopefully this is addressed in 2K17. From tge 2K17 streams I've watched it's hard to tell much because the people playing the game are very casual players and they don't have enough understanding of the game to cause the cpu defense problems. Hopefully Czar and Scott O'Gallagher release developer blogs this week and some of this is addressed.

[ChaseB]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

The help defense was really overaggressive in 2K16, to the point where if u run a simple P'n'R u can get a wide open 3 on most possessions. It sounds like there are options in 2K17 to set where the help comes from and who not to leave. This sounds great in theory. The settings in 2K16 weren't nearly specific enough. Also the hedge defense is way too aggressive in 2K16, the only truly effective way to defend the P'n'R in 2K16 is to set it to no hedge. No hedge in 2K16 was more of a soft hedge and it's by far the most efficient option. The P'n'R seemed to cause the most issues as far as breaking the defense in 2K16, hopefully this is addressed in 2K17. From tge 2K17 streams I've watched it's hard to tell much because the people playing the game are very casual players and they don't have enough understanding of the game to cause the cpu defense problems. Hopefully Czar and Scott O'Gallagher release developer blogs this week and some of this is addressed.

Yeah I settled on no hedge and icing the rolls most of the time. I think I did a universal "go over" screens as well as it seemed if you went under with the on-ball defender it would lead to some issues as well.

Overall though, yeah if you didn't set individual assignments it would lead to some chaos the moment you didn't nail every single encounter on-ball during pick and roll actions.

[choteron2]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

Great post. Other thing that 2k need to improve a lot is the lighting of the courts.
Look how dark is the crowd in the real staples center in comparision with the 2k staples center. And is not the only arena, almost all the arenas have poor lighting and that at least for me break the inmersion.

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[Badasi12b]

That IS NOT Kawhi! Lol!

[stillfeelme]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

The only think I know there is supposed to be new defense in this years game.

From the Mike Lowe 75 new features

• New team schemes
• Improved (new?) defensive AI

The question is what are the new schemes and how they improved the defensive AI. I only can see this get explained in a deep dive in a gameplay blog on the defensive side.

From the Mike Wang gameplay blog

And speaking of game planning, the defensive side of the Adaptive Coaching Engine saw many improvements as well. Brand new team schemes, scoring patterns and formation recognition bring a new level of authenticity to NBA 2K17. And as the offensive transition AI has improved, so has the defense. AI defenders now intelligently identify the most dangerous threats and move to their assignments accordingly.

Team schemes I can think of usually involve how to defend the pick and roll. They haven't added all the possibilities yet.

[Black Bruce Wayne]

What is the ultimate solution to this? I've heard all of what is wrong with the defense but not many solutions from anyone. That is what concerns me

[stillfeelme]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

What is the ultimate solution to this? I've heard all of what is wrong with the defense but not many solutions from anyone. That is what concerns me

There is no one ultimate solution. He laid out a a list of things they could improve on in the article. I mean it is really too late at this point the game is done and will of course get some patches and things that they will tune after release.

[Black Bruce Wayne]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

There is no one ultimate solution. He laid out a a list of things they could improve on in the article. I mean it is really too late at this point the game is done and will of course get some patches and things that they will tune after release.

But we haven't even played the game to know if its still bad yet?

[stillfeelme]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

But we haven't even played the game to know if its still bad yet?

Yeah he is just saying what improvements need to be made to 2k17 based off playing 2k16. He hasn't played 17 yet.

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[ChaseB]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

That IS NOT Kawhi! Lol!

Sorry friend, it is.

The only think I know there is supposed to be new defense in this years game.

From the Mike Lowe 75 new features

• New team schemes
• Improved (new?) defensive AI

The question is what are the new schemes and how they improved the defensive AI. I only can see this get explained in a deep dive in a gameplay blog on the defensive side.

From the Mike Wang gameplay blog

Team schemes I can think of usually involve how to defend the pick and roll. They haven't added all the possibilities yet.

Yeah I mean it's not something that's been touched on a heavy amount so far, which is part of the reason I wanted to put it out there as a talking point in the interim. I don't think the game is miles away from being solid in this area. If the help defense alone is improved a lot would fall into place.

What is the ultimate solution to this? I've heard all of what is wrong with the defense but not many solutions from anyone. That is what concerns me

There is no one ultimate solution. He laid out a a list of things they could improve on in the article. I mean it is really too late at this point the game is done and will of course get some patches and things that they will tune after release.

But we haven't even played the game to know if its still bad yet?

Yeah he is just saying what improvements need to be made to 2k17 based off playing 2k16. He hasn't played 17 yet.

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I mean I threw out a couple things that I think need to be improved, and to sort of touch on what I did above, I don't think the game is like "scary" messed up in this area. The point of attack on the pick and roll and the initial rotations the defense makes once the on-ball defender is beat is the top thing for me. Random lapses in judgment and all that are sort of another issue in that it's not tied to any one moment in the game, it's more people sometimes get frustrated when players simply don't guard players at certain times (ex. off the tip in many games it's easy to get a layup under the hoop, or off a missed free throw it's very easy to catch the defense napping rather than getting back).

[DBMcGee3]

This is really my biggest issue with the series. You get really immersed in a close game, only to have your defenders completely blow it at the most inopportune times. I like to play on ball D, but when you do that you basically leave yourself vulnerable to back door cuts and wide open jumpers, because the AI struggles to react. I feel like the Pick and Roll game is negatively impacted as well, because the AI doesn't always switch correctly, and I feel like I don't know who to guard because I don't know who they're going to guard once the pick is set.

It's a great series, it really is, but things like this can drive you crazy.

[raiderphantom]

Re: Team Defense Must Improve in NBA 2K17

I really want to see more WEAKSIDE help and less strongside help. That also means the weakside defender helping has to get help. And that player helping him has to get help. Everyone is on a string. I also want def iq/awareness and strategy to play a very big role as well.

In Pro Am/All star team up as a user you can recover from helping one pass away too easily. Seems like 2K worked on that a but with pass speed.

But also 2K has never allowed you to defend passing lanes well. You can run high PNR, force it to the roll man with no problem, which then gets the ball to the middle of the floor, and opens up every pass and hurts good weak side help. So even if the big is guarded well, he can hit the shooter in the opposite corner.