NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

[BigDaddyHolmes]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Curry a 98 overall. So let me get this straight.

Curry is a 98+ passer, 98+ dribbler, 98+ re bounder, 98+ shot blocker, 98+ at stealing, 98+ shooter from close/mid/far, and 98+ at everything else too?


See, this is when you know someone is over hyped. It also makes it feel like the only stat that really matters is offensive shooting.


Fun fact, Kawhi Leonard & JJ Redick have a better 3pt% then Steph Curry this season. So most 3 point shot taker...sure...but best pure shooter ever....nah.

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

One of the things I really don't like about the Curry upgrades. Is the Draw Foul rating.... It's one thing to boost his speed. But it's another thing to increase his Draw Fouls ratings. The stats say Curry only goes to the line 5 times a game. But the ratings are totally wrong. We all know Harden is at the top of the list (Cousins is second). Curry is 26 on FTA. But has a 92 rating. While other guys who have higher FTA's don't have a high ratings.

To provide some insight, something to think about is the amount of drives a player takes. Its not quite as basic as how many fouls per game a player is averaging, but more so how often a player draws a foul when in a situation where a foul could be called. A hypothetical example: Shooting 10 threes compared to taking 10 drives, the driving player will get more fouls per game but perhaps the player shooting more threes will get fouls called on drives at a higher percentage. Its all relative

[BigDaddyHolmes]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

One of the things I really don't like about the Curry upgrades. Is the Draw Foul rating.... It's one thing to boost his speed. But it's another thing to increase his Draw Fouls ratings. The stats say Curry only goes to the line 5 times a game. But the ratings are totally wrong. We all know Harden is at the top of the list (Cousins is second). Curry is 26 on FTA. But has a 92 rating. While other guys who have higher FTA's don't have a high ratings.

250+LB LBJ not being on that free throw attempt list until 12th, tells a lot about the NBA IMO.

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

To provide some insight, something to think about is the amount of drives a player takes. Its not quite as basic as how many fouls per game a player is averaging, but more so how often a player draws a foul when in a situation where a foul could be called. A hypothetical example: Shooting 10 threes compared to taking 10 drives, the driving player will get more fouls per game but perhaps the player shooting more threes will get fouls called on drives at a higher percentage. Its all relative

You know I don't make a big deal about anything lol....

Player names FTA DFR
James Harden 10.4 98
DeMarcus Cousi 10.3 97
DeMar Derozan 8.2 89
Danilio Gallinari 8.2 88
Andre Drummo 7.8 90
Jimmy Butler 7.7 89
DeAndre Jordan 7.7 75
Dwight Howard 7.6 75
Andrew Wiggins 7.4 84
Russell Westbro 7.2 88

Stephen Curry 5.4 92


Curry doesn't even drive like that.

DFR = Draw Foul Rating*

Edit: I guess my next question is why does DeAndre Jordan and Dwight only have 75 draw foul rating.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Haven't tried new roster yet, just one question: is Andrew Goudelock CF or CAP because he played 3 seasons ago for Lakers.

[tt500]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

To provide some insight, something to think about is the amount of drives a player takes. Its not quite as basic as how many fouls per game a player is averaging, but more so how often a player draws a foul when in a situation where a foul could be called. A hypothetical example: Shooting 10 threes compared to taking 10 drives, the driving player will get more fouls per game but perhaps the player shooting more threes will get fouls called on drives at a higher percentage. Its all relative

So can you explain how curry is as fast as wall and westbrook? It really seems like curry is getting some preferrential treatment in ratings. In terms of speed, wall and westbrook would need increases since they are faster than curry.

I also don't understand some ratings that were done in myteam. So paul george is only 78 speed yet his all-star card gets 87 speed. It just ruins the integrity you guys built up leading to 2k16 about the legend scale. Like if Rodman is 99 offensive rebound and everyone compares to him. So if curry is that fast, than comparing wall and westbrook it makes no sense.

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

You know I don't make a big deal about anything lol....

Player names FTA DFR
James Harden 10.4 98
DeMarcus Cousi 10.3 97
DeMar Derozan 8.2 89
Danilio Gallinari 8.2 88
Andre Drummo 7.8 90
Jimmy Butler 7.7 89
DeAndre Jordan 7.7 75
Dwight Howard 7.6 75
Andrew Wiggins 7.4 84
Russell Westbro 7.2 88

Stephen Curry 5.4 92


Curry doesn't even drive like that.

DFR = Draw Foul Rating*

Sorry I think my initial wording was confusing. What I meant was if in a game a player Drives 10 times a game and averages 4 FT's on Drives and another player drives 5 times and draws 3 FT's, the second player is more efficient at drawing fouls and could have a higher rating even though the first has more total fouls.

[TheDuggler]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Sorry I think my initial wording was confusing. What I meant was if in a game a player Drives 10 times a game and averages 4 FT's on Drives and another player drives 5 times and draws 3 FT's, the second player is more efficient at drawing fouls and could have a higher rating even though the first has more total fouls.

What does this translate to in-game? Does this mean that the game with artificially give more fouls to certain players taking the same action?

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Sorry I think my initial wording was confusing. What I meant was if in a game a player Drives 10 times a game and averages 4 FT's on Drives and another player drives 5 times and draws 3 FT's, the second player is more efficient at drawing fouls and could have a higher rating even though the first has more total fouls.

Oh ok


And please don't take this as an attack. I usually send this things through PM. But your has been full for a while now lol.

[raidertiger]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Fun fact, Kawhi and Redick have a better 3pt% then Steph Curry this season. So most 3 point shot taker...sure...but best pure shooter ever....nah.

lol if you say so.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

To provide some insight, something to think about is the amount of drives a player takes. Its not quite as basic as how many fouls per game a player is averaging, but more so how often a player draws a foul when in a situation where a foul could be called. A hypothetical example: Shooting 10 threes compared to taking 10 drives, the driving player will get more fouls per game but perhaps the player shooting more threes will get fouls called on drives at a higher percentage. Its all relative

Correct - jump shots typically do not generate free throws.

However, it is still a stretch to say Curry's rating isn't a bit padded, much like a few of his other ratings.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

One of the better ways to evaluate a player's ability to draw fouls is to distinguish which possession types we should be factoring. I think we can all agree that Isolation playtype data would be the best possession type we can use as an indicator of a perimeter player's foul drawing ability.

Isolation Foul%
18.1% DeRozan
16.9% Gallinari
16.4% Hayward
15.1% Harden
14.5% Lillard
13.0% Crawford
12.6% Melo
12.4% Cousins
12.4% George
12.4% Kobe
11.8% Curry
11.5% Randle
11.2% Okafor
10.9% Wall
10.5% LeBron
9.4% R.Jackson
7.5% Westbrook
6.2% Gay
4.8% Paul
3.9% Wade
3.4% McCollum

Curry has exhibited that he is pretty good at drawing contact (especially since a good chunk of his Isos are still threes). Of course, Isolations only make up 9.6% of his possessions which is the lowest out of all the players listed. He is primarily a finesse player and a 92 DrawFoul is certainly misleading.

All in all I think DrawFoul needs a revamp across the entire league (and through testing I've found it has zero impact on sim stats), but that's a separate topic.

[tt500]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

One of the better ways to evaluate a player's ability to draw fouls is to distinguish which possession types we should be factoring. I think we can all agree that Isolation playtype data would be the best possession type we can use as an indicator of a perimeter player's foul drawing ability.

Isolation Foul%
18.1% DeRozan
16.9% Gallinari
16.4% Hayward
15.1% Harden
14.5% Lillard
13.0% Crawford
12.6% Melo
12.4% Cousins
12.4% George
12.4% Kobe
11.8% Curry
11.5% Randle
11.2% Okafor
10.9% Wall
10.5% LeBron
9.4% R.Jackson
7.5% Westbrook
6.2% Gay
4.8% Paul
3.9% Wade
3.4% McCollum

Curry has exhibited that he is pretty good at drawing contact (especially since a good chunk of his Isos are still threes). Of course, Isolations only make up 9.6% of his possessions which is the lowest out of all the players listed. He is primarily a finesse player and a 92 DrawFoul is certainly misleading.

All in all I think DrawFoul needs a revamp across the entire league (and through testing I've found it has zero impact on sim stats), but that's a separate topic.

This would be very situational to drawing fouls on iso. Once you think of all the ways someone can draw a foul it makes it more difficult to put it into one stat as a whole. Curry also gets fouled 23.7% on his drives per game this season and 25% the past 10 games. I don't watch every game of his so I don't know where he gets all his foul calls.

There is guys like harden who gets the most foul calls driving. Deroezan also drives alot and % wise he is better at drawing fouls on drives than curry. From your statistics, he's also pretty good in iso situations. So curry having a higher draw foul than deroezan is pretty much padding a popular players stat.

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

This would be very situational to drawing fouls on iso. Once you think of all the ways someone can draw a foul it makes it more difficult to put it into one stat as a whole. Curry also gets fouled 23.7% on his drives per game this season and 25% the past 10 games. I don't watch every game of his so I don't know where he gets all his foul calls.

There is guys like harden who gets the most foul calls driving. Deroezan also drives alot and % wise he is better at drawing fouls on drives than curry. From your statistics, he's also pretty good in iso situations. So curry having a higher draw foul than deroezan is pretty much padding a popular players stat.

Agree..... It just doesn't add up. And in my opinion it makes a huge difference. Harden in this game gets so many fouls. When I play with Shaq who has a 99 rating. Gets fouled for anything in the paint.

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (3-3-16)

Draymond and Lowry shoot the same % from 3, but Lowry shoots a higher volume then him (as in, Lowry takes 7 3's a game and Dray takes 3 3's a game). Yet somehow Dray is 87 in standing 3 and Lowry is 84.