Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

If they're high percentage shots relative to the NBA average then you can't call them "atrocious" shots. Yeah, they would be for anyone else but for him they're just very makeable. That's one of the things that makes Curry special. When Kobe was making those shots (and they weren't really the same because he wasn't speeding down the court and stopping on a dime to pop a 3, he was just taking stand-still jumpshots) in his prime, they were bad shots because Kobe often took a ton of shots on bad efficiency, and for every one of those miracle shots he made, he missed a ton. Whereas with Curry, those aren't miracle shots for him because he makes them on a routine basis and he often gets 40 on less than 20 shots. One could argue that it's actually less exciting watching Curry make those shots than it was for Kobe because for Curry it's so routine, nothing he does comes as a surprise.

I'll be the first to say most of Kobe's shot selection is bad too.

Hit or miss, A shot in a guy's face off a step back is not the look I want my offense taking. A shot 9 seconds into the shot clock, off the dribble, full speed pull up is a bad shot. I get that hitting them makes the kid special, but to say that those are even close to quality because they dropped is inssne from any sort of fundamental aspect. Hitting a shot, even if it's a multitude of them the same way, doesn't make them good shots.

It makes Curry amazing, and I'll never argue that. Kid is playing out of his mind, and he's so locked in I'm pretty positive he could get the ball off the in bound, throw it backwards over his head from full court and bury it. Wouldn't make it a quality shot, though

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

I'll be the first to say most of Kobe's shot selection is bad too.

Hit or miss, A shot in a guy's face off a step back is not the look I want my offense taking. A shot 9 seconds into the shot clock, off the dribble, full speed pull up is a bad shot. I get that hitting them makes the kid special, but to say that those are even close to quality because they dropped is inssne from any sort of fundamental aspect. Hitting a shot, even if it's a multitude of them the same way, doesn't make them good shots.

It makes Curry amazing, and I'll never argue that. Kid is playing out of his mind, and he's so locked in I'm pretty positive he could get the ball off the in bound, throw it backwards over his head from full court and bury it. Wouldn't make it a quality shot, though

If someone is hitting a particular shot on a high percentage with a large enough sample size, objectively speaking, that's a good shot for that player. It doesn't matter whether it was "good basketball" or not.

Look at LMA's post fade. He's being guarded by someone usually as tall, if not taller than him and he's taking a heavily contested shot on what's essentially an isolation play. How many people have you heard say that's a bad shot. Funnily enough he made a higher percentage of these shots than from mid range last season.

Look at Dirk's post fadeaway. You always hear coaches and commentators say it's such a good shot because it's a 7fter and no one can guard it. It's still an isolation play and he's still not "open".

Why can't it be the same with Curry? People have said that he has the best combination of shooting and handles the game has ever seen. He has one of the quickest releases ever at 0.4 seconds. It's hard to contest a shot that quick. He's 6'3 so it's not like it's inhuman (I know...weird thing to say about Curry) for him to be getting off these shots in the NBA. There are good reasons why these are objectively good shots for him to take. Curry is basically a stats guy's dream. He's the evidence (albeit just one person) to backup what these guys have been arguing for years and that is that teams need to take more 3pt shots, even if they look "bad".

Side note - What I've noticed down the stretch or when behind is that Curry subverts the traditional school of thinking (which is to take your time and eat up the clock) and takes early shots (really early, like 5 seconds into the shot clock). What often happens is that the Warriors will just get the rebound the 3 if it misses and get lots of second chance points.

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

If someone is hitting a particular shot on a high percentage with a large enough sample size, objectively speaking, that's a good shot for that player. It doesn't matter whether it was "good basketball" or not.

Look at LMA's post fade. He's being guarded by someone usually as tall, if not taller than him and he's taking a heavily contested shot on what's essentially an isolation play. How many people have you heard say that's a bad shot. Funnily enough he made a higher percentage of these shots than from mid range last season.

Look at Dirk's post fadeaway. You always hear coaches and commentators say it's such a good shot because it's a 7fter and no one can guard it. It's still an isolation play and he's still not "open".

Why can't it be the same with Curry? People have said that he has the best combination of shooting and handles the game has ever seen. He has one of the quickest releases ever at 0.4 seconds. It's hard to contest a shot that quick. He's 6'3 so it's not like it's inhuman (I know...weird thing to say about Curry) for him to be getting off these shots in the NBA. There are good reasons why these are objectively good shots for him to take. Curry is basically a stats guy's dream. He's the evidence (albeit just one person) to backup what these guys have been arguing for years and that is that teams need to take more 3pt shots, even if they look "bad".

Side note - What I've noticed down the stretch or when behind is that Curry subverts the traditional school of thinking (which is to take your time and eat up the clock) and takes early shots (really early, like 5 seconds into the shot clock). What often happens is that the Warriors will just get the rebound the 3 if it misses and get lots of second chance points.

Good basketball is good basketball. Bad shots are bad shots. Bad shots that drop, are still bad shots. Curry drains bad shot. It's a shot he can hit, but objectively I'd pull my hair out every time he shot it if I was his coach.

I'd give him the green light to shoot. I'm not stupid, he's the best player on the planet right now, I'd be a moron to tell him to quit.

I'd still cringe every time he let's it fly in most of the situations. Case in point: Warriors vs. Clippers, Curry's ridiculous dribbling through all 5 clippers, turn around, step back, money.

Cut to Kerr, he's ready to murder steph when he releases, and then he has the "Damnit, I can't even be mad because he hit it" expression on his face. Steph is flat out an anomaly. Coaching wise I'd use his shots as examples of when to NOT shoot the ball. Period.


That being said, I appreciate the debate, but I'll offer to agree to disagree with you. I will not change my view on this. I'm watching the Warriors right now and steph and Klay are hitting shots they should have no business hitting. This team is nuts

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

Love this haha

Now getting CPU Curry to play like Curry is a whole nother thing!

What I've had some success with is this:
-raise shot tendency to 100
-raise shot under basket tendency to 45
-lower shot close tendency to 15
-lower mid range shot tendency to 25
-raise 3 point shot tendency to 100
-raise contested shot tendency to 100
-raise stepback shot tendency to 100
-raise pull up in transition tendency to 100
-raise triple threat shoot to 99
-raise setup with sizeup to 55
-lower drive tendency to 55
-lower shot IQ rating to 75 (this helps him take "bad shots")
-add gold corner specialist badge
-add gold fade ace badge
-add all gold ball handling badges
-change play types to:
Priority 1: 3 pt
Priority 2: Pick and Roll Ball Handler
Priority 3: Isolation
Priority 4: Handoff

You also need to lower everyone else's touches a little bit so that they run more plays for Steph even though he's already at a 99.

I played the Indiana matchup last night (12 min quarters, superstar sim with my custom gameplay tweaks) and he dropped 41 on me on 27 shots, 6 for 11 from 3. Lost by 2, PG13 had 35 :/

Trying these out. Im currently watching cpu vs cpu GSW-MIA and in the 1st quarter Steph has 13pts on 5-7 fg...3-4 from behind the arc. Anxious to see his final stat line.

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This is why online hurts the Warriors. Curry can't play like he does because he'd be too OP.

Seriously I thought this game was a simulation? Apparently not.

And for those who say "learn how to use him", that's BS. Curry's shots would be graded as a D-F in this game.

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

Bad shots shouldn't go in. Period!

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

Thank God. I couldn't fathom playing cheesers with no skill running around with Stephen Curry throwing up garbage every game.

Right after the Charlotte game I played some clown that thought he was gonna drop 40 on me with Steph Curry. His entire game consisted of zig-zagging and pick and rolls, which inevitably got locked up, which ultimately led to his rage quit.

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

Accurate tendencies can have the AI replicate Steph's play. I say it all the time, ratings alone won't get it done. As much as Hassan Whiteside for example has been increased, when I sim a season with this man he averages like 1 block per game. Tendencies need the same attention as ratings and they have the data is available to get it right.

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

I guess this article must of hit a nerve some where. Because Curry got another update today.... Mind blowing lol

http://2kmtcentral.com/16/players/delta/09-12-2015

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

Accurate tendencies can have the AI replicate Steph's play. I say it all the time, ratings alone won't get it done. As much as Hassan Whiteside for example has been increased, when I sim a season with this man he averages like 1 block per game. Tendencies need the same attention as ratings and they have the data is available to get it right.

100000% man, I can't play against the CPU without completely overhauling tendencies. Not to mention how they control sim stats as well.

And what you mean, Whiteside has a 64 Block Shot tendency and Rondae Hollis Jefferson has a 99, thats accurate right?? Lol jk.

Just wish the masses realized the importance of tendencies rather than their beloved overall rating so 2k would actually dedicate some time to them. I'd do the job for free and have everyone in the league playing like they should, and the sim engine producing a season that mimmicks the real 2015-16.

It's a shame that the beautiful world of stats that NBA.com has provided with their stat tracking isn't being utilized.

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

By the way this same thing is happening to me with Kevin Durant.... Why the hell I miss so many wide open shots with him while I can hit them consistently with Melo or PG? Truly unbelievable...

Cheers! ;-)

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Re: Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

That thread is the most clever and original way to kiss a game's *** that I've ever seen, lol.

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Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

I haven't played with newly 96 rated Curry but I will say that their does need to be some fixing in his shots. I consistently miss lay ups, and easy floaters that Curry would never miss and I find myself missing a lot of them. Including his And 1 tendencies..I mean how many times do you see Curry drive to the hoop, get fouled and still make it? He does a lot but most of the time in the game he misses.

As far as 3 pointers, I feel like you can't start the game shooting 3's with him or even having him rest for a little. You have to shoot mid range baskets for a little before he will make a 3. I get that some times players have to warm up but I'm taking Curry missing wide open 3's. I was playing last night and went on a streak in the 3rd Quarter, computer subbed him out and brought him back in the middle of the 4th quarter and he couldn't make anything, until it was close to a minute left then he's clutch


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I'm just glad Walton and Kerr know how to cheese with him.