NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Point Guards (UPDATED)

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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackhail92

I respectfully disagree. If AI can get away with shooting 42 percent at times then Westbrook can as well considering he averaged 7 rebounds and 9 assist as well. Since it's an OVR rating I was hoping westbrooks all around game would be respected enough to give him a 90 plus. Not really a big deal to me. I just don't see how he can ever make the 90 club now considering what he did last year. Before that triple dub run he was flirting with triple doubles for many games prior. As for the melo, PG and Leonard argument again I disagree respectfully. Leonard is a great defender and rebounder but saying he is better than melo is disrespectful Imo. On one knee I believe melo had 24 7 and 3 which would be good for 5th in the league in scoring. PG came back and stunk it up(rusty I know).His drop would be semi warranted. I would take a scorer who can't defend for his life over a defender who can't score for his life any day.(not saying Leonard can't score just an emphasis on defensive players)

I also consider AI somewhat overrated in that respect so he doesn't really get away with poor efficiency in my book. Not that Westbrook and AI aren't tremendous players anyway, which 89 on an all time scale indicates (I would probably also have Iverson at 89-91 though I'm not as intimate with his metrics to say for sure).

Westbrook's passing numbers are also overrated-- he has a very high turnover rate to match (while Curry dropped his to a stellar 2.5 on the season). Not that he wasn't good with his overall impact, but there's more than raw box scores which I think bears repeating. Westbrook could easily enter the 90's by being more efficient, a better defender, or taking care of the ball better-- even if he stopped posting such gaudy stats on high usage. It's how the other players do it.

The problem with Melo is that he is a scorer and ball stopper but not a particular efficient one, while demanding high usage. That limits how he can help the team on one end while hurting it at the other end. You may be drawn to these high usage, low efficiency players, but it's not disrespect to call out Melo for what he is - and the story has been out for some time.

Leonard is a better player than Melo because of his defense, AND he's a solid top 2 offensive option. He was just now the DPOY and Finals MVP the year before that. Leonard has more impact defensively than Melo has impact offensively, AND better offensively than Melo has defensively (and possibly also offensively).

He's just a flat out more effective ball player, period. Now Melo may be more skilled in many respects, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't translate to high efficiency and point differential. It's just a pretty way of losing.

The same applies with PG, to a lesser extent. I would much rather have defensive players that are mediocre on offense than a mediocre efficiency scorer that demands high usage and has poor defense. You can always put high efficiency scorers around defenders, while a low efficiency high usage scorer that doesn't defend either limits or hurts you all over the court, because the offense must be run through him.

If you want a scorer, give me the Currys, Durants, and Hardens of the league. But if you're sticking me with average efficiency with no additional defense or playmaking, you're doing it wrong. Melo has Westbrook efficiency without even his rebounding or passing. That's just not a winning formula.

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AI was so broken on this game last year. You could score 30-40 points with him easy and never drive to the basket once. AI was NEVER a good shooter, he was the most destructive basket-attacker ever that would occasionally catch fire doing that and hit 2-3 threes in a row.

Hopefully they apply what they said about Harden's game to AI, tone down his damn threes and accentuate his speed to make it really easy for him to get to the rim.

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The only rating that doesn't look right so far is Kemba Walker. Can't wait to see the new ratings.

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Quote: Originally Posted by apollooff320

when a championship and don't even get finals MVP and end up with a better overall then PG that are better then you in all categories but shooting. I can tell right now they went and overated him in a bunch of categories. He should not be rated that high.

Steph is a better defender, rebounder, playmaker, and shooter than Kyrie. Kyrie is only better at dribble penetration and finish inside, and arguably slightly better handles.

Steph is a better defender, shooter, ball handler, and playmaker than Westbrook. Westbrook is only better at rebounding, penetration and getting to the line.

Steph is a better shooter than CP3. CP3 is a better playmaker and defender, probably better handles in terms of ball security, but Curry's all-time shooting in combination with his top-3 handles is game changing, and he's decent enough in all other categories to have surpassed CP3 last season.

Curry not getting Finals MVP was for two reasons:

1. The overblown Delly Curry-stopper narrative in Game 2.
2. How central Lebron was to the Cavs offense and how Iguodala affected him while putting up above average scoring numbers made possible by Curry. Lebron seems to make a lot of Finals MVPs interestingly.

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Even though ratings don't matter at this point, but here's my list lol:

Curry- 93
CP3- 92
Russ- 90
Kyrie- 88
Wall- 87
Dame- 86
Rose- 86
Conley- 85
Lowry- 84
Teague- 83

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Quote: Originally Posted by Syco_G

How exactly does guys like Carmelo get tagged as high volume chuckers when they average the same amount of shots PG as Lebron and KD while only shoting slightly worse. Yes Carmelo takes some worst shots than those 2 but he is far an inefficient chucker

Lebron's true shooting: .5809
Durant's true shooting: .6012

Melo's true shooting: .5463

That's Dennis Rodman/Dale Davis territory.

The inefficient chucker reputation is completely deserved, especially if he's not providing impact on the other end. Well, chucker is a little harsh, but his efficiency is not "slightly worse" than KD and Lebron. The gap is the difference between Ray Allen and J.R. Smith, or a Steph Curry and a Ben Gordon.

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Ty Lawson better be label a sg then cuz I don't see him lower than a 80

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Quote: Originally Posted by Lord Bonium

I agree on curry being rated too high btw but i understand they have to rate players objectively (even though it's beyond me how you could objectively get kobe at 85 but that's another story) and that means looking at stats. Subjectively though, replace westbrook with curry on okc and i'll be surprised if he does any better or even as good. I'm just trying to say some people here (in general) need to look at context a little more in stead of just looking at regular/advanced stats. Try to understand how they got those stats and that efficiency. One guy has a stacked team and great coach, the other has a bad coach and an injury riddled team. Those things matter among many others.

While Curry on OKC would not necessarily make OKC better this past season, Westbrook on GSW would certainly make GSW worse, and they likely would not have won the title.

I do believe if you swapped Curry with Westbrook with a healthy Durant on OKC, OKC would perform better and Curry would be a better compliment to Durant, and well, that entire team.

And rating Curry above Westbrook involves much more than looking at box scores and advanced stats. Curry is a better player when all those contexts are factored in. NO ONE was calling GSW stacked the year before when it had almost exactly the same roster, and Curry was already performing better than Westbrook when coached by an equally terrible coach-- Mark Jackson is basically Scott Brooks, with even MORE isolation and less passing. Brooks enabled Westbrook to basically play the way he wants to play and ball dominate in a way that takes shots away from the better player. Meanwhile, Curry was always a ball moving guard that was actually being coached in a system that was counter to some of his personal tendencies by Jackson.

If anything, I would think those who are prone to overrate Westbrook factor in less context and are more prone to be influenced by simple box score numbers.