NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

[BluFu]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

PGs: +4
SGs: +2
SFs: -1
PFs: -13
Cs: -8

Among non-Rookies
PGs: +0.44
SGs: +0.33
SFs: -0.14
PFs: -2.16
Cs: -1.60

Backcourt players (18) are +6 (+0.77)
Frontcourt players (21) are -22 (-3.9)

That is wordplay by 2K as none of the reveals have yet to show that.

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Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

I like that idea, but you also have to give him a new badge (something like "Never Gives Up Chucking"). If he injures his right arm, he just stays on the game playing left handed.

I can dig it

[Nevertheles109]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Guards are +6
Bigs are -21

Reading is indeed fundamental.

Rashidi, I appreciate the valuable information you provide to OS. Nevertheless, the reason your messages aren't heard as clearly as they are written is due to your snobbish/arrogant remarks when they are unnecessary. The bolded above is a clear example man.

You attracts bees with honey, not vinegar.

[tetoleetd]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

Comments like that always make me laugh.

I mean first of all it is a brand new rating system this year where legends set the bar. Not only do we not know how these ratings will play out but it should be obvious that rookies will be on the lower end.

Second even if the rating system was the same it is difficult to tell if a player's overall is accurate or not without playing. For the sake of argument let's say Kyrie Irving and Chris Paul had the same rating. They are still going to play completely different because of their play style amd strengths. Kyrie is more of a scoring point guard that makes his own shots where as Paul is more of a pass first guard that creates shots for other players, not to say he can't score as well.

Just because a player has a specific number rating doesn't mean it won't accurately portray his skillset. And if not at least we get constant roster updates and the ability to roster edit

how exactly does my comment make you laugh? im basically saying that overall doesnt matter and individual attributes determine how a player plays...

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Rashidi, I appreciate the valuable information you provide to OS. Nevertheless, the reason your messages aren't heard as clearly as they are written is due to your snobbish/arrogant remarks when they are unnecessary. The bolded above is a clear example man.

You attracts bees with honey, not vinegar.

No wonder my Bee farm went down the tubes so quickly...

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

For example, of the new attribute ratings systems is based off of an all time set of benchmarks for corresponding player behavior/stats, then, by adopting a more standard ratings philosophy, did something about the balance among positions change?

That is, did they discover that, for some reason, their past subjective ratings favored bigs too much? I would find that hard to believe having played the game a few years, but was that an outcome?

It is nothing so complex as that. The OVR formula for PF/C has badly needed re-evaluation for the past decade or so. PGs conversely will always rate highly via 2K OVR. Rondo had a higher rating than Dirk for a number of years.

Or, as they reworked ratings by attribute, did they also try to benchmark past all time PER ratings against the game's OVR ratings, and as a result, try to rework the way they computed OVR? That is, did the OVR formula under the hood change this year in how it weights attributes by position? If so, why, and based on what?

Do they think that, by trying to become more standardized in ratings, that the game will now reflect the relative historical weakness of bigs overall in the league now? Or does the OVR rating suffer because bigs get fewer stats in today's game the way it is played?

Bigs are great right now. Center is deeper than it's really ever been, and that includes the heralded 90s. The league has always been top-heavy at center. The 15-20 ranked centers of today would steamroll the 10-15 centers of twenty years ago.

The problem is 2K doesn't evaluate the position properly, as least in the context of what makes a good big man in the year 2015.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Bigs are great right now. Center is deeper than it's really ever been, and that includes the heralded 90s. The league has always been top-heavy at center. The 15-20 ranked centers of today would steamroll the 10-15 centers of twenty years ago.

The problem is 2K doesn't evaluate the position properly, as least in the context of what makes a good big man in the year 2015.

Im going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. I think bigs were more skilled around the hoop and better defenders back in 80's and 90's although not as athletic obviously. There more PF today than centers. There was a lot of depth with centers back in the day. Even guys like let's say a Ric Smits, Kevin Willis, Bill Laimbeer would translate just fine in today's NBA. Centers now aren't your prototypical center per say. They stretch the floor, not great at any 1 thing, lack post moves, etc. I do think there is a young wave of kids coming in however like this last draft and few years before it that by the time they are done can compare to what your talking about. But it's all debatable I guess.

How would you suggest 2k should rate and evaluate todays big man? To make sure ratings are comparable to all positions?

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Im going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. I think bigs were more skilled around the hoop and better defenders back in 80's and 90's although not as athletic obviously. There more PF today than centers. There was a lot of depth with centers back in the day. Even guys like let's say a Ric Smits, Kevin Willis, Bill Laimbeer would translate just fine in today's NBA. Centers now aren't your prototypical center per say. They stretch the floor, not great at any 1 thing, lack post moves, etc. I do think there is a young wave of kids coming in however like this last draft and few years before it that by the time they are done can compare to what your talking about. But it's all debatable I guess.

How would you suggest 2k should rate and evaluate todays big man? To make sure ratings are comparable to all positions?

I think he's saying just purely depth. It obviously isn't close to the days of Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc.

But right now: Howard, Gasol, Noah, Noel, Towns, Gortat, Len, Adams, Dieng, Gobert, Okafor, Gasol, Horford, Chandler, Plumlee, Bogut, Drummond, Valanciunas, Vucevic, Cousins, etc.

There are a lot of quality centers right now.

[Sundown]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Or, as they reworked ratings by attribute, did they also try to benchmark past all time PER ratings against the game's OVR ratings, and as a result, try to rework the way they computed OVR? That is, did the OVR formula under the hood change this year in how it weights attributes by position? If so, why, and based on what?

I think any attempt to get OVR to align with PER is a flawed enterprise. PER rewards chuckers and doesn't factor in IQ, decision making, non-box-score oriented defense, and anything that isn't countable as a simple stat. It's basically just slightly more advanced box-score reading.


I mean for example, going you'd think a 13 PER should equate to a low 70's OVR, and a 16 PER should be around 77.


I'm pretty sure Draymond Green deserves more than a 77, and the Finals MVP more than a 72.

[Scvllp]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

I think he's saying just purely depth. It obviously isn't close to the days of Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc.

But right now: Howard, Gasol, Noah, Noel, Towns, Gortat, Len, Adams, Dieng, Gobert, Okafor, Gasol, Horford, Chandler, Plumlee, Bogut, Drummond, Valanciunas, Vucevic, Cousins, etc.

There are a lot of quality centers right now.

How could you not even list Davis?

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

How could you not even list Davis?

Lol wow. I was probably thinking of him at the 4 because of Asik, but I guess if I list Noel and Okafor, he should be on there as well.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

I think he's saying just purely depth. It obviously isn't close to the days of Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc.

But right now: Howard, Gasol, Noah, Noel, Towns, Gortat, Len, Adams, Dieng, Gobert, Okafor, Gasol, Horford, Chandler, Plumlee, Bogut, Drummond, Valanciunas, Vucevic, Cousins, etc.

There are a lot of quality centers right now.

I knew what he meant hence my response. He said today's 15-20 were better than yester years 10-15. Obviously the centers of Ewing, Akeem, etc blow today's out of the water. But everybody had a center back then and almost everyone could play with their back to the basket. But I don't want to derail thread.

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

I don't think centers are deeper now. 90's centers was probably the best era.

You could argue that that there are more athletic centers but a large % of centers can not score on the post if you feed them the ball and a large amount can't hit a shot out of the paint or shoot a free throw.

A large amount of centers with their lack of post scoring have mainly become space creators with pick and rolls and lob catchers. I would actually expect centers to be lower rated compared to greats for this reason alone.

What type of post offense you give to Dwight when he shoots 43% on post ups on 5 attempts per game? If I can easily negate your threat of dunking by fouling you and have your FT shooting be your Achilles then yeah I can't argue for today's area.

The centers should be the easiest to rank out of off the positions. Interior offense scoring, def contest ,blocking, rebound, and dunking should be all play the highest.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

Backcourt players (18) are +6 (+0.77)
Frontcourt players (21) are -22 (-3.9)

SF formula is similar to SG and nothing like PF/C

But sure try to correct me on something you don't know anything about

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner & Cameron Payne

I think any attempt to get OVR to align with PER is a flawed enterprise. PER rewards chuckers and doesn't factor in IQ, decision making, non-box-score oriented defense, and anything that isn't countable as a simple stat. It's basically just slightly more advanced box-score reading.

I merely used PER as a guideline. PER doesn't measure defense, which is more important than offense for a center (specifically, post offense). It just so happens a lot of centers (Tyson Chandler mold) are elite pick and roll finishers.

My personal PG ratings
95 (+5) Chris Paul (LAC, 26.0 PER)
94 (-1) Stephen Curry (GSW, 28.0 PER)
91 (-3) Russell Westbrook (OKC, 29.1 PER)
90 (+3) John Wall (WAS, 19.9 PER)
89 (+1) Kyrie Irving (CLE, 21.5 PER)
87 (+10) George Hill (IND, 21.5 PER)
87 (+2) Damian Lillard (POR, 20.7 PER)
87 (+2) Jeff Teague (ATL, 20.6 PER)
85 (NC) Kyle Lowry (TOR, 19.3 PER)
85 (-1) Mike Conley (MEM, 18.6 PER)

85 (+4) Ty Lawson (HOU, 18.5 PER)
84 (+3) Brandon Jennings (DET, 19.7 PER)
84 (+4) Jrue Holiday (NOP, 18.8 PER)
84 (+1) Eric Bledsoe (PHX, 18.4 PER)
84 (+4) Darren Collison (SAC, 17.5 PER)
83 (+2) Kemba Walker (CHA, 17.6 PER)
83 (+5) Reggie Jackson (DET, 17.2 PER)
82 (+1) Isaiah Thomas (BOS, 20.6 PER)
82 (-2) Tony Parker (SAS, 15.9 PER)
82 (-2) Derrick Rose (CHI, 15.9 PER)

There are few PGs who substantially impact a game defensively, so there isn't much PER noise. Each other position has defensive specialists but for PGs it's pretty smooth sailing from the top down.