NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by 24ct

Bruh. They're not making ratings from his playoff performance. It's my impression it's based off the whole year/body of work total. If they're only using finals performance for ratings then by your standards Iggy should be an 88 at the very least lol. If they used his playoff stats for ratings. LeBron would lead the league in rebounds lol. Or at least be top 3/5. This isn't a bash LeBron thread. I mean I get ppl still don't like dude for what he accomplished/hasn't or whatever but to say a 94 is a good rating based on his Finals performance makes 0 sense to me and seems as if you're just using that because you're not a fan of his game in general. LeBron last year was still more effective and efficient than a lot of players younger. As far as all time greats he was still one of the greatest players ever in a "down" season where he was still top 5 in scoring and top 15 in assists lol. Like I said I don't put much into overalls but if it's any indication of the rest of the ratings how does Durant get a 91? I'm just curious to see what AD, Curry, Westbrook and Harden are. Obviously the PGs are weighted because ball handle speed and passing for them ups there ratings significantly but this will be interesting to see.

I still think 94 is fine for his seasonal performance. Again, this is supposed to be an all-time great scale, and 94 is perfectly good for not-pure-peak Lebron whose athleticism has dropped off a bit as well as his shooting and defense. 91 for injured/limited games Durant is also fine on that scale. I'd have Curry with a 91 to 93 on that scale and Harden a 87-90. AD would fall 91-93 and Westbrook 87-89.

If the ratings this year are really supposed to be scaled against all time greats, let's make it actually count instead of giving everyone the usual 95-98's like every season.

What's not fine is the inflated ratings for run of the mill stars. Wall's a bit too high for me though it's not far off. And what's not fine is Kobe only two points lower than John Wall, which effectively makes his rating even HIGHER than last year's which wasn't scaled against greats. That's just ridiculous. The more I think about it the more it's completely unjustifiable.

"He was injured for seasons and actually sucked a little less before he was injured again so let's just pretend he's still great" is not a valid rating methodology.

Vegas doesn't work this way. NBA front offices don't work this way. Sports journalism and analysis doesn't work this way. I don't see why 2K should work this way.

[lakers24]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

49% TS is ABYSMAL (and only on low volume 14.6 ppg). That is several points below league average. Everyone's favorite high volume chucker in Westbrook still shoots 52% (which is around league average). 49% TS means terrible shot taking and/or that some of those shots should be distributed to pretty much any other NBA servicable average-efficiency player. To get an idea of how TERRIBLE 49% TS is, which is during Kobe's "good games", let's look at GSW's roster. To find someone who shoots around 49.1% TS, I have to go all the way down to Justin Holliday, the Warriors' 13th man, who still beats Kobe with a 49.8%.

I knew someone was going to cherry pick that part of my comment without including the rest of what I stated. His overall encompasses everything he's able to do as a basketball player correct? If that's the case, Kobe is still one of the most highly skilled and cerebral players even at his old age which is proven by his FTA per and his increase in overall floor game in those games I pointed out (granted before that he was garbage most of the time).
Also, the TS% percentage I pointed out was to prove that he actually was improving slowly during that period after Byron stopped running him ragged and he dropped his usage %. I pointed out right before the TS% statement that 2 games out of the 8 he shot below 40% which drastically affected his shooting averages during that 8 games (that happens with smaller samples). He had 2 stinkers coming off rest against Miami and the Clippers, if you take out those 2 his TS% jumps up to 57.7% and his eFG% to 54.6.

As a sidenote, here's his other percentages (from all 8 games): TRB%14, AST% 44.94, USG% 28.42.

[redsox4evur]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

I still think 94 is fine for his seasonal performance. Again, this is supposed to be an all-time great scale, and 94 is perfectly good for not-pure-peak Lebron whose athleticism has dropped off a bit as well as his shooting and defense. 91 for injured/limited games Durant is also fine on that scale. I'd have Curry with a 91 to 93 on that scale and Harden a 87-90. AD would fall 91-93 and Westbrook 87-89. If the ratings this year are really supposed to be scaled against all time greats, let's make it actually count instead of giving everyone the usual 95-98's like every season. What's not fine is the inflated ratings for run of the mill stars. Wall's a bit too high for me though it's not far off. And what's not fine is Kobe only two points lower than John Wall, which effectively makes his rating even HIGHER than last year's which wasn't scaled against greats. That's just ridiculous. The more I think about it the more it's completely unjustifiable. "He was injured for seasons and actually sucked a little less before he was injured again so let's just pretend he's still great" is not a valid rating methodology. Vegas doesn't work this way. NBA front offices don't work this way. Sports journalism and analysis doesn't work this way. I don't see why 2K should work this way.

And that is why he is overrated.

[lakers24]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaddupCouzin

When they're not hitting, you realize how bad their shot selection is, but that's what makes them the superstars they are,they don't have many nights when they're not hitting. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

Steph is the same way. Some of the shots he throws up would get most players yanked from the game, for him though, it's the best shot for his team.

Quote: Originally Posted by magicman32

I know his averages last season looked decent as far as PPG, APG, RPG. But if you watched the games, he shot the Lakers out of several potential wins. HE WAS TERRIBLE!!!!

I ain't complaining!

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[WaddupCouzin]

Quote: Originally Posted by lakers24

Steph is the same way. Some of the shots he throws up would get most players yanked from the game, for him though, it's the best shot for his team. I ain't complaining! [emoji38] Spoiler

Exactly!

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[DaKoKing]

Quote: Originally Posted by JazzMan

Or you could just edit the ratings yourself.

I simply do not have the time or patience to sit around figuring out why 2K has so vastly overrated a player, figuring out how that rating impacts that player effectiveness for users or AI, figuring out what a change would mean for that team vs other teams as well as that player versus other players.

I'm perfectly content to let someone else figure out how to make this game play like a somewhat reasonable impression of basketball.

[BluFu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

He played 1200 minutes which is a plenty large sample (more than Hassan Whiteside, for example). It's 300 less than Derrick Rose, unless of course you're advocating we ignore Rose's ****ty performance as well.

Nope I'd just like to know why the outcry for Kobe's rating when Rose is being treated in similar fashion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

LOL, yes he will be, he is 37.

So as soon as you hit 37, you're going to be injury-riddled? That sounds sh***y

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Rose played 300 minutes (10 games) the season before, the key difference (Kobe was likewise hot garbage in his 6 game 2014 season and didn't have his rating touched). There is basically no difference between Rose/Kobe's situations over the last two years.

That's what I'm saying Rashidi.. I don't remember this much backlash when Rose started with an 88. People were much more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Kobe continues to get high ratings because there are casual clowns out there (that 2K doesn't want to piss off) who seriously think he is still on par with the likes of Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson when the reality is he is a rich man's Evan Turner at this point.

25, 5 and 5 over the last 3 seasons... "rich man's Evan Turner"... you guys kill me sometimes

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

Lebron's shooting percentages weren't just "a little lower". They were just straight up bad. 40% is terrible efficiency. And him being contained by Iguodala was what netted him the Finals MVP. After his playoff performance, I can't NOT give him a 94-95 or lower. It's still very, very good and a dominant rating on an all-time scale. But it was clearly not peak Lebron (who is probably a 96-98 on a GOAT scale).

He shot 42% during the playoffs, Jordan's last 3 years 45%, 45%, 46%.. Do you know what the different of 3-4% is when you are taking 20+ shots per game? About half a shot.. So per 40 shots LeBron would miss one more shot than Jordan.. Does that make Jordan "straight up bad" as well? Is 2k going to lower Jordan's ratings for his past prime self? Likely not, so that's where this is unfair. Jordan also wasn't averaging borderline triple doubles and grabbing over 13 rebounds.. So yes excuse me for thinking LeBron's performance shouldn't require him to have a rating drop when he's piling up numbers like guys from the 60's in today's slower paced and lower statistical era.

To put in perspective, 2k15 a 2nd year Jordan is a 94, rookie Tim Duncan is a 90, Payton is a 92, Wilt a 94 not prime 50ppg Wilt but 35 year old Wilt who averaged 14 points per game, Oscar is a 95 not triple double averaging Oscar but the 33 year old who averaged 17/7/5, Iverson LOL a 93, Shaq at 23 years old a 95, Julius Erving (does nothing better than LeBron) is a 95.. 30 year old Bird is a 98, 30 year old LeBron is a 94. Their stats? Per 36min Bird 24.9/6.8/8.2 and his playoff numbers 27/7/10 at 44 minutes, Per 36 LeBron 25.2/7.4/6 his playoff numbers 30.1/8.5/12 at 42 minutes..

But go on and keep telling me how those guys aren't being overvalued and current stars undervalued.




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