In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

[KG]

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The Live Updates are for league play and they've been on international play since the game dropped

[LingeringRegime]

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I got two new games today.

But, PES 2015 is better than both games.

[KG]

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How can FIFA get a 9 score and PES a 8 ? It´s baffling...

Co sign,fifa's 9 Is a joke, i mean com n the gameplay should have the main impact in graduation, and the PES gameplay Is just better at everything...

As I see OS as my prime source for serious sports gamers I have to say that I am baffled that FIFA got a better score. Other sources are all about the shiny polish, OS is for the core game. And in this area PES excells FIFA by miles.

Keep in mind this review was/is for the PS4/XB1 so things like no option files, 5 less stadiums than current gen, the inability to use patches like SweetFX, etc... hurt the game.

Gameplay was the main positive about PES but it's about the total package, Online, Career Modes, Editing, etc...

PES is probably neck & neck with NBA2K when it comes to online stability, maybe worse since many users, myself included, have to jump off the internet to avoid the dreaded "Establish Connection" prompt that can sometimes freeze a game.

Master League & BAL Career Modes are stale and in-some areas, worse than years past. ML at a time was innovative. It had Youth Squads, in-depth stats, awards, etc... all before FIFA's Manager Mode. The reality is that Konami have done very little with it over the last few years. For offline players, it's a huge blow having this GREAT gameplay but a stale career mode. At some point, the off-the-pitch experience needs to rival the on-the-pitch experience.

And while Microsoft & Sony can take some of the blame regarding not allowing option file transfers the fact that Konami removed the pixel editor for jerseys on the NG systems is huge. The ability to create generic stadiums?.....gone.

I love the gameplay and can't wait til play it after my lil one goes to sleep but I believe an 8 (which is considered a Great game by the new scoring methodology) is fair considering the challenges. Now, I'll revisit it after it receives the patches to address fouls & stamina as well as the December DLC update.

[ty5oke]

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Great points KG and spot on with my thoughts. Really hope with how great the gameplay is that they can make some improvements with ML going forward but unfortunately there are no micro-transactions for ML and fear it will be left behind with myClub.

[LingeringRegime]

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Only thing I don't like about the game at this point is there is no option for CPU vs CPU matches. Have no idea why not.


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[KG]

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Only thing I don't like about the game at this point is there is no option for CPU vs CPU matches. Have no idea why not.


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Yeah, I went looking for that today to no avail. Used to love setting up CPU vs CPU on Live Broadcast while I'm doing some work.

[ronnieb]

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Keep in mind this review was/is for the PS4/XB1 so things like no option files, 5 less stadiums than current gen, the inability to use patches like SweetFX, etc... hurt the game.

Gameplay was the main positive about PES but it's about the total package, Online, Career Modes, Editing, etc...

PES is probably neck & neck with NBA2K when it comes to online stability, maybe worse since many users, myself included, have to jump off the internet to avoid the dreaded "Establish Connection" prompt that can sometimes freeze a game.

Master League & BAL Career Modes are stale and in-some areas, worse than years past. ML at a time was innovative. It had Youth Squads, in-depth stats, awards, etc... all before FIFA's Manager Mode. The reality is that Konami have done very little with it over the last few years. For offline players, it's a huge blow having this GREAT gameplay but a stale career mode. At some point, the off-the-pitch experience needs to rival the on-the-pitch experience.

And while Microsoft & Sony can take some of the blame regarding not allowing option file transfers the fact that Konami removed the pixel editor for jerseys on the NG systems is huge. The ability to create generic stadiums?.....gone.

I love the gameplay and can't wait til play it after my lil one goes to sleep but I believe an 8 (which is considered a Great game by the new scoring methodology) is fair considering the challenges. Now, I'll revisit it after it receives the patches to address fouls & stamina as well as the December DLC update.

Ok i get all your points and i agree
so let me formulate differentlty how FIFA 15 is a 9 ? that s just not so OS
the gameplay is really poor, my point is there's no way a game get a 9 if the gameplay is not AAA especially here.
i think both game should be around 8 .
FIFA 7.5 PES 8
By the way it s just crazy how PES could progress in years to come while i don t see fifa going nowwhere
soory for the poor english

[fearwhatnow]

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Ok i get all your points and i agree
so let me formulate differentlty how FIFA 15 is a 9 ? that s just not so OS
the gameplay is really poor, my point is there's no way a game get a 9 if the gameplay is not AAA especially here.
i think both game should be around 8 .
FIFA 7.5 PES 8
By the way it s just crazy how PES could progress in years to come while i don t see fifa going nowwhere
soory for the poor english

As long as FIFA consumers buy the game especially for the atrocious thing called FUT and go in real money microtransactions, the game will never progress gameplay wise.
I see that FIFA 15 is PEGI 3+. This means that many people under 18 participate in a somewhat gambling game with real money. I haven't seen any particular disclaimer for FUT and I'm curious how EA distinguishes the use of credit cards by children inside this mode. It really looks too shady for me.

[KG]

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As long as FIFA consumers buy the game especially for the atrocious thing called FUT and go in real money microtransactions, the game will never progress gameplay wise.
I see that FIFA 15 is PEGI 3+. This means that many people under 18 participate in a somewhat gambling game with real money. I haven't seen any particular disclaimer for FUT and I'm curious how EA distinguishes the use of credit cards by children inside this mode. It really looks too shady for me.

Read an interesting take on modes like FUT yesterday that said EA is/might look at stripping the mode out of the regular game and offer it as a free stand-alone game to maximize access. The thought behind it is of course $ and that the $60 price tag might be a barrier to more earnings if they offered it for free.

[ronnieb]

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As long as FIFA consumers buy the game especially for the atrocious thing called FUT and go in real money microtransactions, the game will never progress gameplay wise.
I see that FIFA 15 is PEGI 3+. This means that many people under 18 participate in a somewhat gambling game with real money. I haven't seen any particular disclaimer for FUT and I'm curious how EA distinguishes the use of credit cards by children inside this mode. It really looks too shady for me.

i m an old gamer close to my 40, ISS (PES) back in the days of PS1 and PS2 was crushing fifa in sales in europe and the lack of bells and whistle in ISS was the same as today, but the gameplay always win.
Nba 2K wins because of its gameplay. Where would be madden today if EA did not get that exclusivity ?
it s not that hard to replicate FUT, but fifa is 10 years back in the AI and gameplay department.
I may be a dreamer but i think that marketing will not beat gameplay, exclusivity can kill a game but the core gameplay will win the hearts of gamers, i m very curious to see the numbers of sales this year and i can see PES did what 2K did to live in the next five years if they can add stellar presentation to their hugely better gameplay.

[Battman]

Ok i get all your points and i agree
so let me formulate differentlty how FIFA 15 is a 9 ? that s just not so OS
the gameplay is really poor, my point is there's no way a game get a 9 if the gameplay is not AAA especially here.
i think both game should be around 8 .
FIFA 7.5 PES 8
By the way it s just crazy how PES could progress in years to come while i don t see fifa going nowwhere
soory for the poor english

Amen. But I would give FIFA eben less than 7,5. Come on: Scripted gameplay!!! That alone should suffice for bad ratings!!! That should be a no go, especially for OS, a site dedicated to serious sports gamers! And the game does not resemble a real football game. The CPU dribbles, turns and dribbles again. The player just makes far too many meters with the ball. And it doesnt matter if it is the best midfielder or worst defender: They all dribble and turn, dribble and turn.
The fun thing is: I buy FIFA every second year just to find out that I am a 41 yr. old moron who once again fell into EAs marketing trap. Ok. The last 2 times I primarily bought the game for my kids who still love it. Until they find out that EA just does not fix the problems accompanying this game year after year.

[ronnieb]

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Amen. But I would give FIFA eben less than 7,5. Come on: Scripted gameplay!!! That alone should suffice for bad ratings!!! That should be a no go, especially for OS, a site dedicated to serious sports gamers! And the game does not resemble a real football game. The CPU dribbles, turns and dribbles again. The player just makes far too many meters with the ball. And it doesnt matter if it is the best midfielder or worst defender: They all dribble and turn, dribble and turn.
The fun thing is: I buy FIFA every second year just to find out that I am a 41 yr. old moron who once again fell into EAs marketing trap. Ok. The last 2 times I primarily bought the game for my kids who still love it. Until they find out that EA just does not fix the problems accompanying this game year after year.

7,5 cause outside off the pitch it s close to perfect and even if i sound harsh about it i value bells and whistles, also fifa gameplay is not bad, it can be some what enjoyable, it s just not football, at all.

[xicpanad]

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People should really stop the type of things saying Fifa is garbage and PES is the real deal. Its like comparing Forza to Burnout. They are diferent games, aimed at diferent target audiences. Fifa tries to get closer to reality through appearence, shinning beauty all over, but the on ptich behaviour is far far away from reality, but I think that´s exactly the way they wanted to.

PES keeps the same approach of the ugly wonder. We can´t see the beauty only by looking at it, but his behaviour on the pitch is the closest to real soccer, though not perfect.

[RoyceDa59]

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This thread needs to be kept under control. It is has already turned into a PES vs. Fifa topic instead actually discussing the review.

[DBMcGee3]

Keep in mind this review was/is for the PS4/XB1 so things like no option files, 5 less stadiums than current gen, the inability to use patches like SweetFX, etc... hurt the game.

Gameplay was the main positive about PES but it's about the total package, Online, Career Modes, Editing, etc...

PES is probably neck & neck with NBA2K when it comes to online stability, maybe worse since many users, myself included, have to jump off the internet to avoid the dreaded "Establish Connection" prompt that can sometimes freeze a game.

Master League & BAL Career Modes are stale and in-some areas, worse than years past. ML at a time was innovative. It had Youth Squads, in-depth stats, awards, etc... all before FIFA's Manager Mode. The reality is that Konami have done very little with it over the last few years. For offline players, it's a huge blow having this GREAT gameplay but a stale career mode. At some point, the off-the-pitch experience needs to rival the on-the-pitch experience.

And while Microsoft & Sony can take some of the blame regarding not allowing option file transfers the fact that Konami removed the pixel editor for jerseys on the NG systems is huge. The ability to create generic stadiums?.....gone.

I love the gameplay and can't wait til play it after my lil one goes to sleep but I believe an 8 (which is considered a Great game by the new scoring methodology) is fair considering the challenges. Now, I'll revisit it after it receives the patches to address fouls & stamina as well as the December DLC update.

Yeah, the editing options are a huge blow for the next gen versions of the game. I can live with not being able to import images (though I shouldn't have to), but the inability to design our own logos and put them on the kits is baffling. At the very least, you'd think they would give us access to sponsor's logos which are already in the game (Puma, Adidas, Emirates, etc.).

Oh well, it's still a great game, and as much as I love FIFA this year, PES is more fun on the pitch, in my opinion. It just seems more fluid to me, and the AI of the CPU is more realistic on both ends.