Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madden

[jbd345]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

Keep tooting that horn brother. You are the exact type of gamer that EA and Tiburon loves because they can just shovel incremental improvements down our throats and call it a day. I do respect your opinion, I just fail to see the light of honest improvement from Tiburon when they have a very nasty track record that proves otherwise.

How is trying to teach gamers football strategy not honest improvement?

[yardz23]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

How is trying to teach gamers football strategy not honest improvement?

I agree with you.

If this pans out, the result could be more player's favoring a Sim style of gameplay and not rely on those straight cheese plays they find on YouTube.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

If people have fun with this, all the power to them.

If not, the mode will be skipped and not seen again.

Options, right?

Heck, a few years ago Mascot Mode showed up in NCAA. Not something for me, but my 11 year old at the time thought it was the cats meow and played it non-stop.

Did we get our moneys worth? Yes.

I'll judge for myself when it's time.

[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

No. I was speaking in the general case. I never mentioned you. I'm not sure how you could have possibly interpreted my statement as an affront.

You said Fun doesn't require realism. I say that's very subjective.

Yes, fun is subjective. For you, "fun" requires realism. Based on the popularity of dozens of other games in sci-fi, high fantasy, medieval, and steampunk settings, plenty of other people do not share that definition.

Did you seriously just compare things that don't actually exist and are based on fantasy (sci-fi, fanatasy, medieval), to things that actually exist (sports)?

Of course things based on fantasy doesn't require realism. Last I checked traveling to other planets in spaceships to meet aliens doesn't actually exist. So of course those genres aren't going to be based on realism. You're trying to make comparisons between incredibly dissimilar genres.

I'm talking about SPORTS games. Based on something that actually exists. Specifically Madden. Why are you even mentioning genres so totally unrelated to Madden on a Madden board?

[JaymeeAwesome]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

The previous Madden feature he is referring to is called Skills trainer. It is in Madden 25 next gen. You get MUT cards for getting gold on each drill. It teaches you how to use the control schemes of the game and some football basics. This "New" gauntlet mode is a more fleshed out version with a voice actor on top of it. Its nothing new to Madden

That voice actor is Carolina's Cam Newton.

[HC0023]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

That voice actor is Carolina's Cam Newton.

JAYMEE it was my voice i just had a really bad cold that day LOL

[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

If people have fun with this, all the power to them.

If not, the mode will be skipped and not seen again.

Options, right?

Heck, a few years ago Mascot Mode showed up in NCAA. Not something for me, but my 11 year old at the time thought it was the cats meow and played it non-stop.

Did we get our moneys worth? Yes.

I'll judge for myself when it's time.

As long as the drills are ruly optional and not required for CFM progression. This Gauntlet may be outside of CFM, but if the same type of drills are going to be required for CFM progression then we lose "optional". I'm all for options and I don't mind them adding the Gauntlet. Additions are not to be complained about as long as the additions are truly optional and don't force us down an unrealistic path.

I don't care at all about this Gauntlet, but I don't at all mind them adding it. I see this as something that many others will probably enjoy.

[Hooe]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

Keep tooting that horn brother. You are the exact type of gamer that EA and Tiburon loves because they can just shovel incremental improvements down our throats and call it a day.

I admit, I enjoy playing Madden NFL as it currently exists and I have no issue spending $60 on it each year. That's why I'm here on OS, to talk about Madden and play against other people in Madden. I never realized enjoying a video game was such a problem or made me a lesser person.

I do respect your opinion

Yet you effectively just called me a proverbial "sheep" in the previous sentence. You sure? I don't mind if the answer is no, I appreciate honesty more than anything.

I just fail to see the light of honest improvement from Tiburon when they have a very nasty track record that proves otherwise.

Then don't buy the game and don't pay attention to it if it doesn't meet your standards? I don't see what's so hard about that.

[yardz23]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

As long as the drills are ruly optional and not required for CFM progression. This Gauntlet may be outside of CFM, but if the same type of drills are going to be required for CFM progression then we lose "optional". I'm all for options and I don't mind them adding the Gauntlet. Additions are not to be complained about as long as the additions are truly optional and don't force us down an unrealistic path.

I don't care at all about this Gauntlet, but I don't at all mind them adding it. I see this as something that many others will probably enjoy.

Different strokes I guess, but I'd actually prefer these drills to progress specific skills to whom exactly I want in CFM as opposed to just playing 11v11 full game against a generic practice squad (who often prove to be better than my starters).

Mainly because i think its nice to not have to play a game in between playing games in the regular season.

[goravens2052]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

How is trying to teach gamers football strategy not honest improvement?

Very true, but if they are serious about teaching gamers football strategy then make videos about how to go about RFA/UFA, how to manage the cap, understanding dead money, basically everything that is needed to make franchise deeper. That way the hardcore NFL fan who wants to build a team it similar to real life can do so and the casual gamers can learn to build their team like that as well.

If they don't want to, then we'll know they are a casual NFL fan because any hardcore NFL Fan would want franchise to be as deep and realistic to real life as possible.

[Hooe]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

You said Fun doesn't require realism. I say that's very subjective.

Pointless semantic bickering. The statement "fun doesn't require realism" does not rule out "realism is fun".

Did you seriously just compare things that don't actually exist and are based on fantasy (sci-fi, fanatasy, medieval), to things that actually exist (sports)?

Of course things based on fantasy doesn't require realism. Last I checked traveling to other planets in spaceships to meet aliens doesn't actually exist. So of course those genres aren't going to be based on realism. You're trying to make comparisons between incredibly dissimilar genres.

I'm talking about SPORTS games. Based on something that actually exists. Specifically Madden. Why are you even mentioning genres so totally unrelated to Madden on a Madden board?

We're talking about video games, they all ultimately fall under the same umbrella. Once again, to use your words, fun is subjective. What you seemingly aren't allowing is that that statement necessarily goes both ways.

A sports game doesn't have to be realistic to be fun. Last I checked, NFL Blitz and NBA JAM are two of the most loved sports franchises to ever exist. To a lesser extent, people enjoyed Mutant League Football (which has high fantasy content), The Bigs, NBA / NFL / FIFA Street, and so on. Hell, some people want a Quidditch video game on account of how popular Harry Potter is. These games aren't realistic whatsoever, but I know virtually no one who would ever claim that those two games weren't enjoyable. Maybe you didn't enjoy any of them, in which case I hope you didn't waste your time with them, but many people did. Thus I've provided basis for the fact that sports games don't need realism for people to enjoy them and your blanket statement doesn't apply for everyone en masse. Fun is subjective, your statement doesn't apply to everyone.

As to rope this back around to being remotely on-topic, there's no problem with Madden's gauntlet having "boss battles", even though they aren't going to begin to approach realism. It's adding a gameplay scenario to a game purely for the enjoyment of the challenge using a set of already really solid gameplay mechanics. Why is there anything wrong with that? Does it really matter that the gauntlet isn't "sim"?

[DNMHIII]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

Different strokes I guess, but I'd actually prefer these drills to progress specific skills to whom exactly I want in CFM as opposed to just playing 11v11 full game against a generic practice squad (who often prove to be better than my starters).

Mainly because i think its nice to not have to play a game in between playing games in the regular season.

Holy cow did you actually play an entire practice game instead of one of the other 9 choices that you had to choose from to get XP?

[jpdavis82]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

How is trying to teach gamers football strategy not honest improvement?

For some the track record distorts reality. If you see things as they are now and not as they were in the past, the improvement is clear with Madden 15. Some people here have to see the things they want to see before they will give EA credit, that's fine, but don't sit here and criticize those of us who see things with a here and now vs the way things were back then mentality. I see most people on here are starting to understand the shift that has been put in motion, for others I think 16 will have that effect.

These games will never be perfect and we will never see everything we want, but a clear effort and improvement each year will yield great results over time. Lets all hope Cam and his team are around for many years and we can actually see this vision that he and Rex have for authentic simulation football fulfilled.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Polygon: Madden 15 wants to teach you about football

For some the track record distorts reality. If you see things as they are now and not as they were in the past, the improvement is clear with Madden 15. Some people here have to see the things they want to see before they will give EA credit, that's fine, but don't sit here and criticize those of us who see things with a here and now vs the way things were back then mentality. I see most people on here are starting to understand the shift that has been put in motion, for others I think 16 will have that effect.

These games will never be perfect and we will never see everything we want, but a clear effort and improvement each year will yield great results over time. Lets all hope Cam and his team are around for many years and we can actually see this vision that he and Rex have for authentic simulation football fulfilled.

Please take a minute before you read my post and don't look for any angle in it, just try to have a discussion with me about it on the merits.

I have been playing football video games for a looong time and I've been trying to find ways to enjoy Madden ever since Madden 2006. No need for the "it's hard" "it takes time" stuff, this team under Cam is now under their third full year, yet the things I'm pointing out still exist, also please stop with the "perfect game" stuff because nothing most people have or ever mention about adding to Madden is anywhere near perfect or not done before.

A clear example of what I'm referring to is back when they added tuner sets, that were supposed to allow for changes to the gameplay without needing a full on patch, that's a tool that already exists or at least did. As soon as they announced that feature I began asking could they release a "sim" tuner where the gameplay parameters would be the most difficult in relation to playing smart football for success........crickets. I'm not even sure if they ever released any tuner sets, much less a "sim" set. Also there was supposed to be DPP(Dynamic Player Performance) updates released, yet another EXISTING feature that could be used differently in another setting/mode to influence how the game is successfully played.

To that you might say, this was stuff under a different team, so let's talk about Madden 13 and it's gameplay features. I''l just post this link because it's too long to go over every claim in it, read over it and help me understand wtf happened to all this stuff once it was implemented. http://www.easports.com/news/article...fl-13-gameplay Now take a gander at this for M15 and see if you notice some similar claims being made. http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/n...e-passing-game This is not isolated either because I have made the same point about the Infinity Engine in another thread and it happens with other areas of the game.

I'm not posting this to bash the game, it's the only NFL game we have so I want to enjoy it and it's not to hate on Cam, Rex, etc either, because they seem like good football passionate guys to me. This is just me trying to offer up a "red pill" about Madden. A lack of good football ideas is the least of the issues, as well as limited dev time, resources, legacy code, console power, etc. The biggest hurdle every year, no matter the team, with Madden being as realistic as possible, imo, is that everything has to be implemented to fit into the way Madden is played, instead of changing Madden to be played more like real football.

[JaymeeAwesome]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde

It does kinda irk me that tuner sets have been an add-on for a few years and were never used. Don't understand why they haven't done any.