Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

[Dogslax41]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

I hear you but I have seen this movie too many times at this point, so I'm pretty sure how it ends. I wrote an impression on M25 current gen that I think pretty much will hold true for as long as Madden is exclusive.

.....if I were to try to sum up my impression of M25 in a sentence, it would be that it generally improves on "the letter of the law" but still misses "the spirit of the law", in relation to representing NFL football. So if you are able to enjoy or tolerate a video game based on NFL football then M25 is generally speaking the best one of those to date but if you're looking for a NFL experience in a video game, M25 will tease you then ultimately leave you still desperately wanting.

Agree 100%. I will just say that I have not been impressed by anything they had shown, not the fancy fake graphics they showed at E3 not the staged sizzle trailer or the ultra high definition graphics, but that 5 seconds on that running play had my jaw dropped. And this is super nerdy from a sim/realism standpoint, but watching the center rip the dlineman towards him and rotate him left meant more to me than any uniform, accessory or stat overlay ever could from a realism standpoint. They could be wearing all black and white plain riddell jerseys as long as their interaction shows that level of detail.

[dghustla]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

I hear you but I have seen this movie too many times at this point, so I'm pretty sure how it ends. I wrote an impression on M25 current gen that I think pretty much will hold true for as long as Madden is exclusive.

.....if I were to try to sum up my impression of M25 in a sentence, it would be that it generally improves on "the letter of the law" but still misses "the spirit of the law", in relation to representing NFL football. So if you are able to enjoy or tolerate a video game based on NFL football then M25 is generally speaking the best one of those to date but if you're looking for a NFL experience in a video game, M25 will tease you then ultimately leave you still desperately wanting.

I always respect your post, you bring a great deal of insight. I want to ask you this. How realistic is it really for them to change multiple key areas of game-play in one cycle? I think NBA Live tried that approach and it clearly broke the game. We can all agree that changing the game engine on gen 3 for NCAA and Madden was a huge step back. I'll never forget powering up NCAA for the first time in my ps3 and thinking...."what the hell happened to the player". None the less since last year and this year with madden 25 you don't feel that this team has or is making any strides? The community has been yelling for foot-planting and physics for years. Now granted the players still hover sometimes when they are running, but they are moving in a positive direction. I don't think its realistic to spend an entire cycle only improving every aspect of gameplay because most of those fixes ppl will not notice. for example the players hovering above ground. They could fix that and if they didn't do a press release about it, most ppl who buy the game wouldn't even know it had changed.

I like the Oline/Dline focus for 2 reason.
1) It all starts in the trenches you can not have a realistic football game unless the Oline/Dline is spot on.
2) Thats the total opposite of fluff. There is nothing fluff about Oline/Dline. They could have address things that were WR or QB related which would catch the eye of the causal fan.



*I'm still holding out hope that this game changing announcing this week is Ball Physics. Still haven't seen an in game passing play outside of that grainy MNF video.

[tmac747]

Why would I care about this? Can I not call plays? Or would I rather see some actual footage of the game? This looks eerily similar to Madden 25 on PS3.

My thoughts exactly!

[T5063]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

C'mon guys. Did you really expect two football game with the same name, released by the same company 3 months apart (same gen or not) to be totally different?

Now, if EA didn't make a Madden game this year for PS3/XBOX360 and this was their only game or if this was supposed to be next year's Madden then I'd be dissappointed.

A polished up, prettier port is what I was expecting from new gen Madden 25. Its next year's game that really has a lot of pressure on it because, for me at least, that will be the real next gen Madden.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

I just wish it moved more realistically. That's my main problem with Madden. I hate the way it looks. To see every lineman get set the same way everytime. To see safety's swivel and turn around in one motion preplay. To see linebackers hunched over and stiff. To see the quarterback shuffle like an action figure stiffly in the backfield. I hate it all. I just wish Tiburon hated it too. If they just moved different that would make a world of difference for me.

They talk about animation fidelity being ten times greater. True step motion. I'm really waiting on this info, because from the little bit of info shown it's bs. Guys are still warping and shifting. Runners feet are still shuffling unrealistically. Quarterback throwing motions are like 6 year olds throwing passes at times, lmao. I mean it just kills the game for me. That's all I want Tiburon. Give me better animations. They are AWFUL.

[tmac747]

The online/dline changes shown in the video are not minor changes. I can't believe that I am actually on the Madden defense side given how critical I have been, but the blocking shown on that small snippet of video has the potential to create a completely different game. Madden 25 on current gen for me was unplayable mostly because the oline had been beefed up and the dline would just get mauled on every play and you could gain 4-5 yards per run unless you imbalanced the sliders so much that the CPU had insta penetration. Watching the interaction of oline/dline and TE/FB with linebackers looked realistic and certainly opens the door for ratings to matter on the line.

The dline was getting variable pressure on the run play - that didn't happen on current gen

The oline turned defenders away from the play - that didn't happen on current gen

the FB hit the hole and got an imperfect chip on the linebacker not a full blown pancake or pattycake that knocked the LB off balance but not out of the play - that didnt happen on current gen

Defenders worked to turn olinemen to get to the ball carrier - that didn't happen on current gen

Oline and dline were shown actually handfighting not playing pattycake - that didn't happen on current gen

dlinemen extended his arm to actually break the block rather than just disengaging - that didn't happen on current gen

Just making those changes to a core component of the game (oline/dline) would require massive work balancing the game and could have a huge impact to gameplay.


You want to be critical about the graphics not looking anything like what they said they were going to deliver at E3 then so be it that's more than fair. It does look like a bait and switch from a marketing perspective as this looks nothing like those detailed shots of RG3. But even just based on that short video to say its just a direct port means you are missing out on what looks like a key improvement over current gen.

As far as the O-line and the D-line interactions, I get the same results with M25 on PS3 now. Just make some adjustments with penalties and you will see a very good game in the trenches.

[bowld]

What happened to the look we saw at E3? This game looks exactly like current gen where @ E3 it looked a lot more like nfl2k..wtf ea?

[dghustla]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

Question for the guys who have Madden 25 current gen. I held off on buying because I am waiting for Gen4 (I only played the demo). At the 1:55 mark they are showing a replay of Tannehill in the shotgun. I noticed that on the snap the ball was wobbly and was not snapped with a tight spiral. On Madden 25 current gen are the shotgun snaps always tight spirals of do they vary?

[Dogslax41]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

As far as the O-line and the D-line interactions, I get the same results with M25 on PS3 now. Just make some adjustments with penalties and you will see a very good game in the trenches.

It's not possible to match what was shown on that video with sliders on current gen. Those are entirely new animations and interactions. Olinemen on current gen can't turn a defender away from the play I dont care what slider adjustments that you make. You can edit how long they can hold the pattycake animation or drive the dlineman deeper but sliders dont replicate what this video shows. Show me one video of your sliders causing an olineman to pull the defender toward him and then use his momentum to turn him 90 degrees to keep him out of the play.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

I always respect your post, you bring a great deal of insight. I want to ask you this. How realistic is it really for them to change multiple key areas of game-play in one cycle? I think NBA Live tried that approach and it clearly broke the game. We can all agree that changing the game engine on gen 3 for NCAA and Madden was a huge step back. I'll never forget powering up NCAA for the first time in my ps3 and thinking...."what the hell happened to the player". None the less since last year and this year with madden 25 you don't feel that this team has or is making any strides? The community has been yelling for foot-planting and physics for years. Now granted the players still hover sometimes when they are running, but they are moving in a positive direction. I don't think its realistic to spend an entire cycle only improving every aspect of gameplay because most of those fixes ppl will not notice. for example the players hovering above ground. They could fix that and if they didn't do a press release about it, most ppl who buy the game wouldn't even know it had changed.

The reason I like that Oline/Dline was the focus is for 2 reason.
1) It all starts in the trenches you can not have a realistic football game unless the Oline/Dline is spot on.
2) Thats the total opposite of fluff. There is nothing fluff about Oline/Dline. They could have address things that were WR or QB related which would catch the eye of the causal fan.



*I'm still holding out hope that this game changing announcing this week is Ball Physics. Still haven't seen an in game passing play outside of that grainy MNF video.

Of course OL/DL interaction is not fluff, the issue is that those type of core elements to representing football aren't the priority. In a nutshell something like OL/DL interaction when done in Madden is a stand alone improvement instead of a cog to a bigger NFL representation machine. The formula that sports sims like The Show and NBA2k utilize, where it's not just a collage of individual features and upgrades mashed together but they try to marry as many things as possible together. That's what I am getting at with this post, that if I were on the team for creating Madden, I would want as many things as possible that we add to compliment each other, which should make them easier to implement and more effective which could allow us to add even more every year.

There is no snowball effect to Madden where the innovations and NFL representation progress more and more each year towards a more complete NFL experience.

[Dogslax41]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

Question for the guys who have Madden 25 current gen. I held off on buying because I am waiting for Gen4 (I only played the demo). At the 1:55 mark they are showing a replay of Tannehill in the shotgun. I noticed that on the snap the ball was wobbly and was not snapped with a tight spiral. On Madden 25 current gen are the shotgun snaps always tight spirals of do they vary?

I've never noticed them vary but I also would have never noticed bad snaps on field goals until that monotone nimrod Simms mentioned it.

[dghustla]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

I've never noticed them vary but I also would have never noticed bad snaps on field goals until that monotone nimrod Simms mentioned it.

So they do have some loose spiral snap animations?

[Dogslax41]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

The formula that sports sims like The Show and NBA2k utilize, where it's not just a collage of individual features and upgrades mashed together but they try to marry as many things as possible together. That's what I am getting at with this post, that if I were on the team for creating Madden, I would want as many things as possible that we add to compliment each other, which should make them easier to implement and more effective which could allow us to add even more every year.

There is no snowball effect to Madden where the innovations and NFL representation progress more and more each year towards a more complete NFL experience.

Exactly right and what even I fear as hyped as I am after seeing that blocking improvement video. Below is a feature list from MLB the Show 13 over The Show 12. Compare that to year to year Madden imrovements especially Madden 12 to Madden 13, which was supposed to be their big advancement year. For MLB the Show, 12 to 13 was a year that even they said they were just working to help build their foundation. Madden apologists might not want to open the spoiler.

Spoiler

Back of the Box Items
The “Post Season” Mode (PS3 & PS Vita)
Cross Platform Online Home Run Derby (PS3 & PS Vita)
Cross Platform Online Home Run Derby (PS3 & PS Vita)
New Push/Pull Hitting Trajectories Engine (PS3 & Vita)
Franchise and Season Mode Evolution (PS3 & PS Vita)
Road to The Show Evolution (PS3 & PS Vita)
The Show Live (PS3 & PS Vita)
Diamond Dynasty 2.0 (PS3)
TruBroadcast Presentations 2.0 (PS3)
[b]New Scouting and Training System in Franchise Mode (PS3 & PS Vita)[b/]
Road To The Show Commentary and Presentation Evolution (PS3)
Online Road To The Show Leaderboard (PS3 & PS Vita)
Universal Profile (PS3 & PS Vita)
Button Accuracy Meter (PS3 & PS Vita)
Steve Lyons Joins The Booth (PS3 & PS Vita)
MLB 13 Online Leagues Overhaul (PS3)




All the little additions that went along with those big items

1. Hitting engine improvements deliver more hit variety than ever before
2. Wider timing window across all difficulty levels
3. Improved ball physics (less ground rule doubles etc.)
4. Over 250 new fielding and running animations
5. Over 90 new batting stances
6. Over 130 batting stance re-captures for players who changed their stances
7. Over 50 new pitching motions
8. Over 60 new HR swings
9. New Defensive Positioning screen, view the whole field and watch players shift on the fly
10. Franchise Mode: Team specific player valuations – affect drafting, trades, free agency, etc.
11. Franchise Mode: Projected team budgets and free agents for the upcoming season
12. Franchise Mode: Previous award winners and each team’s Hall of Fame members will now be tracked and displayed
13. Franchise Mode: Ticker in Franchise that displays scores, milestones, trades, etc.
14. Franchise Mode: Top 50 Prospect icon, used to indicate best up-and-coming minor leaguers
15. Franchise Mode: Organizational Depth Chart displays starters at each level (AA, AAA, MLB)
16. New CBA “Qualifying Offer” system included
17. 7 New Minor League and Spring Training stadiums
18. On screen Tutorials to help you navigate some of the more complicated screens.
19. New silhouette bat when bunting
20. Back picks while a catcher in RttS
21. Ability to assign swing animations when creating or editing a player
22. Big glove for catcher when a knuckle ball pitcher is on the mound
23. Over 500 new presentations
24. Pitcher Energy/Rotations for Online Play Now
25. Mercy Rule for online games
26. Twitter in The Show
27. Ping indicators in online game rooms
28. New online ranked game Play Now flow with game worth
29. New post-game summary screen for all online ranked games
30. Player photos updating with Roster updates
31. In-game simulator when FF to the end of game
32. PCI Appearance – There are 4 alternate PCI appearances
33. Pitcher Batter Analysis will now display 40 instead of 25 pitches
34. New Throwback uniforms
35. More catcher animations on plays at the plate providing more exciting outcomes
36. Enhanced CPU base running. Less predictable and more human like behavior
37. New base running animations “around the bases”. Allows for more control of your base runner
38. New online ticker design, more stats and information
39. RTTS infielder’s pickoff request
40. New more interactive user steal system
41. Improved CPU pitcher substitution logic
42. New player card
43. Guess pitch evolution
44. RTTS Removal of the “green-light” system
45. Over 1,000 new RTTS-specific presentations
46. New RTTS user catch option
47. New RTTS On/Off options for ball halo and ball trail
48. Over 15 new batting camera’s and 5 new pitching camera views

[Dogslax41]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

So they do have some loose spiral snap animations?

Never noticed it as a loose snap spiral, more of a high snap that is always handled by the holder. Its a canned animation to give some variety, but honestly I've not noticed shotgun snap issues in any recent Madden, 25 current gen included.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

So disappointed that tiered play calling still isn't in.

Ian had said getting that in would involve rewriting almost the entire game. As soon as I heard they weren't starting over for next gen, I knew this wasn't getting in the game.