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  • pk500
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 8062

    #61
    Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

    Increasing the skill level does increase the amount of possession for the CPU team. Thanks for that tip.

    But I'm still seeing no fouls, and the game still feels stiff to me. I know that's esoteric. Sorry.

    I'm disappointed by both the PES and FIFA demo. I wanted one of them to jump out and scream "buy me," and neither did.
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    • RoyceDa59
      Chillin
      • Aug 2003
      • 3830

      #62
      Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

      Both problems with the FIFA demo and PES are they are too short as always. PES this year is really great and for some reason the lack of fouls are not the concern for me I have given up fouls and have seen the rare foul by the CPU in the 20 matches I play. I feel the fouls might be tweaked for the final version. I will say the more you play this game, the better you get it really starts to shine in my opinion. You can't play this game like any other PES game and once you get that out your mindset boy oh boy this game is a beauty.

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      • rckabillyRaider
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 4382

        #63
        Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

        pros:

        the movement is really good. The new engine has really improved the animations and I don't get that slow motion floaty feeling. Also the shooting feels better. I got off some good power strikes without the floaty feeling.

        The tactics have a more noticeable effect as well.

        Custom camera is a great addition.

        Possession numbers are more even.

        Cons:

        the graphics aren't great. The pitch looks unrealistic and the players in general look kinda pasted on.

        There is a frame rate issue also. I think that's what makes it feel laggy and with delayed button response.

        I did notice some slow reactions by the keepers but not too bad.

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        • 4EverBlowingBubbles
          Rookie
          • Jan 2013
          • 192

          #64
          Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

          Originally posted by Supersonic_BR
          Do you guys seriously think the game and controls are sluggish? i thought the demo was superb, and the players animation are beautiful.

          This really feels like football.


          All in all, this has tremendous potential and it's miles better than PES 13.

          I agree mate. The demo has been a pretty damn good experience so far. The gameplay feels fluid and organic and the new engine adds a whole new level of physical play. I'm loving the new ball physics as well. The ball no longer feels attached to the players feet. Konami nailed the feeling of weight and momentum and how all of that has an impact on your passes. It all adds to the realism.

          I fired up the demo earlier today and went straight to top difficulty using all manual controls. I had my *** handed to me but it was so much fun. I didn't feel cheated in any way. Every match felt unique. I enjoy watching the replays too. Love all these new little details, especially the cloth simulation and if you zoom in on a player's face you can actually see his skin wrinkle as he screams goal.

          Konami still has to turn up GK ability a bit though and I'm afraid the new set piece mechanic makes scoring freekicks way too easy. It also feels a bit unresponsive at times.

          Just scored this freekick goal using Riquelme.

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          Btw has anybody noticed strikers not even trying to win headers? They won't jump at all. They will let defenders clear the ball away every single time. Is this a bug or am I not doing it right?

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          • fearwhatnow
            MVP
            • Aug 2006
            • 1474

            #65
            Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

            I've played both demos (leaked and official). The official is the Gamescom build so there was room for improvements until the retail release. I think the game has already gone gold and we'll see the differences when we have the retail version in our hands.
            - As many of you already mentioned it, my major concern right now is the lack of cpu fouls. I'm pretty sure this won't be a problem in retail. PES games never had problems with the lack of fouls (PES 5 was whistle-friendly with tons of fouls and KONAMI released back then the, legendary now, WE 9 Liveware Evolution version which had the fouls toned down a lot).
            - About the "stiff" movement and lag of controls. The first leaked demo had unresponsive controls and lag but all these are fixed in this demo. There is momentum and it's implemented perfectly. There is individuality and there is emotion.
            - About the graphics (PS3 version here). In general, graphics are toned down in demos because of size limitations and compression. The same stands for Fifa 14 pc demo afaik. Well, I'm buying the pc version of PES 14 so the graphics won't be a concern there. I'm sure PS3/X360 will have major cutdowns in the graphics area due to new engine+havoc+"free ball" physics but I'm sure KONAMI will release the game on PS4/ONE too after the winter transfer window, updated/fully patched and with new faces.
            - GK's are good. They are human - not superhuman, they occasionaly make mistakes but it all feels natural to me. Maybe KONAMI could give them a minor boost only.
            - Cpu possession and build up is here at last. They pass a lot in the centre midfield, changing sides is done perfectly, they backpass to the defenders, there are passes to the GK's when you keep presssing them high. Every game is different, every game plays different. Think of it, in this demo there are only top teams. In reality, in 5 encounters between Spain Vs Germany you'll see 5 different tactical matches with different possesion stats in every game. What I'm saying is let's wait to see how cpu plays when the quality gap betweet the 2 teams is big. CPU Bayern Vs HUM Nice for example.

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            • LingeringRegime
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2007
              • 17089

              #66
              Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

              Originally posted by dubcity
              Still trying to get fouled. I've played like 15 matches, and the CPU has 0 fouls (not counting offsides). All of the methods I used is PES 2013 result in nothing but perfect CPU tackles.
              FWIW they exist. I have been fouled a hand full of times. Not seen a card on the CPU yet though.

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              • RoyceDa59
                Chillin
                • Aug 2003
                • 3830

                #67
                Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                Originally posted by LingeringRegime
                FWIW they exist. I have been fouled a hand full of times. Not seen a card on the CPU yet though.
                I have seen the CPU get carded but it wasn't card worthy lol.

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                • JimmyDeicide
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 623

                  #68
                  Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                  Originally posted by 4EverBlowingBubbles
                  I agree mate. The demo has been a pretty damn good experience so far. The gameplay feels fluid and organic and the new engine adds a whole new level of physical play. I'm loving the new ball physics as well. The ball no longer feels attached to the players feet. Konami nailed the feeling of weight and momentum and how all of that has an impact on your passes. It all adds to the realism.

                  I fired up the demo earlier today and went straight to top difficulty using all manual controls. I had my *** handed to me but it was so much fun. I didn't feel cheated in any way. Every match felt unique. I enjoy watching the replays too. Love all these new little details, especially the cloth simulation and if you zoom in on a player's face you can actually see his skin wrinkle as he screams goal.

                  Konami still has to turn up GK ability a bit though and I'm afraid the new set piece mechanic makes scoring freekicks way too easy. It also feels a bit unresponsive at times.

                  Just scored this freekick goal using Riquelme.

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                  Btw has anybody noticed strikers not even trying to win headers? They won't jump at all. They will let defenders clear the ball away every single time. Is this a bug or am I not doing it right?
                  Ive noticed my goalie and defenders just standing there and watching while the forwards go for the ball and when it drops to their feet watch my defenders run away from the ball.
                  The only time i see the forwards not jumping is more away from the box where as it seems the timing of the input is off and they end up chesting it or bringing it down ala fifa 11 (i think it was)which infuriates me.

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                  • RoyceDa59
                    Chillin
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 3830

                    #69
                    Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                    Response can seem a little off but overall the game is a joy to play. Also some tips for some people including my own and from Philospher at pesfan:


                    - When you get free space tap dash button twice to kick the ball forward and gain some good forward momentum. Makes life so much easier cause you can now play a 1-2 pass to another player and have good speed or just cut in the middle or whatever you do.

                    - If you want to get past opponents with dribbling look to tap the dash button, then look which way the defender has momentum going for them and then hold dash and go the way where they will be slightly off balance. Do not care how sharp the turn is, still use dash to turn, your attacker can do it. The 360 movement is really something new so you need to get used to it.

                    - The run through/nutmeg trick is now done by tapping run twice and pointing the left stick at the opponent's player

                    - When defending you can come to a full stop and face the ball by letting the L stick neutral and pressing dash (this really really helps)

                    - You can do a low header by pressing shoot then through ball

                    -Make sure you use the right stick when players come to rush you to hold them off. It make take some time to get use to but it helps. Some players hold off others better just don't get to overzealous with it or you will be fouling all over the place.

                    -If you are not feeling the shooting give Manual shooting a try, it is harder but it makes shooting feel more impact at least for me.

                    -I know it is a short demo but try out the combination plays.(Tap L2 twice when the formation icon shows in the lower left corner) This opens up some amazing movements from your teammates depending on which combination plays you choose.

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                    • JimmyDeicide
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 623

                      #70
                      Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                      Originally posted by pk500
                      Increasing the skill level does increase the amount of possession for the CPU team. Thanks for that tip.

                      But I'm still seeing no fouls, and the game still feels stiff to me. I know that's esoteric. Sorry.

                      I'm disappointed by both the PES and FIFA demo. I wanted one of them to jump out and scream "buy me," and neither did.
                      It gets closer yes but still if you have any type of assistance to the control i usually have more possession. One thing i did notice was a slight exception to this rule when the skill level is on professional, seems the cpu has more at that level its just the damn defenders will not tackle they just run along side the attackers.

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                      • KG
                        Welcome Back
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 17583

                        #71
                        Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                        Just a few random thoughts...

                        I completed the dribbling portion of the training and it helped my enjoyment increase ten fold. Like Royce was saying, you have to learn how to use the sprint button. Spamming it like the other game (not a knock, just how its programmed) will result in losing possession because the player movement/momentum really impacts control.

                        Keepers need work in dealing with crosses. I gave up a soft goal to Muller using Italy on a routine cross I'd expect Buffin to deal with 10 times out of 10.

                        The possession stats can be misleading IMO. I tend to dominate possession because I'm a cautious player who tried to build attacks from the back. What results is a lot of passing in my own area as that's where the space generally is and the CPU will allow me to have time on the ball. Once I crossed midfield vs Germany they picked up their pressure accordingly.

                        The spacing/pressure in this game is right on IMO. Like I mentioned earlier, in my own half I have time to pick out a pass. Around the box, defenders close out, get a leg in, and disrupt the play. I'd imagine the new combination tactics could shine here IF the CPU's reaction(s) to them vary.

                        I haven't seen too many fouls either but I'll admit that I've played the other game for a long time and IMO it discourages you from contact so you avoid dribbling in tight spaces. I've read on other boards that more experienced PES players take advantage of the ability to operate in tight space and wrong-foot their defenders leading to more fouls.

                        The game isn't perfect by any means but it gives me the feeling of wanting to put in more time to home my craft and bring out the best in this year's iteration.
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                        • NightmareBooster
                          Pro
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 547

                          #72
                          Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                          I only got to play 2 games yesterday but at first glance I really liked what I saw. I had quite a bit of difficulty as I'm use to FIFA's controls so very often I couldn't respond to the AI appropriately but that's a minor issue. My favorite thing about the demo has to be player weight and interaction. Although FIFA 14's players now have weight I feel like it's done better in the PES demo. I also like the way players jostle when trying to take or maintain possession. Making contact with a defender doesn't mean I lose possession immediately if I shield the ball and move correctly. Hopefully I'll get to play more today.
                          XBL GT: The Kingpin187

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                          • KG
                            Welcome Back
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 17583

                            #73
                            Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                            Originally posted by NightmareBooster
                            I only got to play 2 games yesterday but at first glance I really liked what I saw. I had quite a bit of difficulty as I'm use to FIFA's controls so very often I couldn't respond to the AI appropriately but that's a minor issue. My favorite thing about the demo has to be player weight and interaction. Although FIFA 14's players now have weight I feel like it's done better in the PES demo. I also like the way players jostle when trying to take or maintain possession. Making contact with a defender doesn't mean I lose possession immediately if I shield the ball and move correctly. Hopefully I'll get to play more today.
                            First thing I do is change the control schemata to FIFA's.
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                            • NightmareBooster
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 547

                              #74
                              Re: PES 2014 Demo Available Now For 360, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

                              Originally posted by KG
                              First thing I do is change the control schemata to FIFA's.
                              I CAN DO THAT?!?!

                              I didn't even bother because the one or two times I played PES 13 I found that I wasn't able to make it match FIFA's. I'll have to try it when I get home today.
                              XBL GT: The Kingpin187

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                              • DBMcGee3
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1166

                                #75
                                Played several games last night and here are things that stood out to me:

                                1) The game seems faster than last year. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it really took some adjusting on my end to get used to the pace. Still not FIFA fast, fortunately. I also felt more of a difference in speed between players. In played several through balls where my player was able to squirt around a slower defender to get to the ball, which was a welcomed sight.

                                2) I was a little disappointed in the physics of the players. While there were some really cool moments of jostling and tripping(especially on the replays), there were also some instances where the players awkwardly bumped into one another and it tended to break up the flow of the game in my opinion. Not a deal breaker or catastrophe, but slightly annoying, and something I didn't expect to see. I need more time with the game perhaps to fully appreciate what's been added.

                                3) The graphics look fantastic compared to last year's game. The initial pre-game scene in the tunnel always looks a little fuzzy to me, but the gameplay looks awesome in my opinion and the replays are greater than ever. I have always hated the large capital letters for the player names, but soon enough there will be option files with the tidy lower-cased lettering I love.

                                4) I had a couple of instances of flat out terrible AI from the keepers. Once my keeper literally dove out of the way of an incoming shot, and another instance the CPU striker recovered a rebound really close to the goal line and my keeper took far too long to figure it out, just standing there and watching them put it back in the net.

                                5) I think the biggest gripe I had was the lack of a full tutorial to explain all the new moves, etc. I kept trying to do feints from last years game and apparently the controls are entirely different. Not a bad thing, it's just hard to fully judge the game without seeing some of the advanced dribble tactics in action. I kept finding space on the wings and then getting the ball swiped when I failed to juke my man in any way.

                                6) The stadium and crowd were amazing. They just look and sound more lifelike; the chants are louder and more varied, and the reaction to goals was more energetic as well.

                                7) The game still feels like PES, and that is a beautiful thing. The deft touch, the passing, the player movement, the shooting, the defense........it all just feels natural and glorious, and the goals each have their own uniqueness as always. Rarely did I see a cheap or generic looking goal.

                                Although I was more impressed with the FIFA demo than I expected to be, PES still wins out again this year for me. At the end of the day, it's just a more authentic simulation of the beautiful game. Better build ups, better defense, better goals, period.

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