Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

[roadman]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I'd like to think we can all agree that it's too inconclusive to say one way or the other if Madden will fail or pass the test, right?

One very early build showing off the new running precision modifiers and the new OL blocking assignment.

I stated earlier that I wasn't impressed with the first go rounds with the video, but then I saw Sim's analysis and I saw things I didn't see the first two rounds.

History can stay the same, but it can change, too.

Need to wait a bit longer.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release.

Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type.

You seem to think that Madden to everyone, is exactly what you think it is.

If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure.

bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it.

You make every thread you post in nearly intolerable. You can't stand anything about this game, but for years just piss and moan about it. What's your purpose?

No offense, BUT based on your post in this thread you are blind to your Madden faith. It's as though you fail to see that Madden has historically not changed much from pre-alpha to alpha. Yes of course it is changed some, but is the change more than just noticeable? Based on past Madden's the answer is no, not really. Now does the future look bright with potential? IMO absolutely, but do I see the same old problems that have plagued Madden since the 360/ps3 gen? Absolutely as well.

[tfctillidie]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I'd like to think we can all agree that it's too inconclusive to say one way or the other if Madden will fail or pass the test, right?

One very early build showing off the new running precision modifiers and the new OL blocking assignment.

I stated earlier that I wasn't impressed with the first go rounds with the video, but then I saw Sim's analysis and I saw things I didn't see the first two rounds.

History can stay the same, but it can change, too.

Need to wait a bit longer.

No sir, Madden next gen already failed, history is proven. We've not even seen someone throw a pass, but we know it will be crap. Tread carefully!

[infemous]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

At least someone is capable of explanation, awesome.

So using EA's history as a guide, and their regular use of rookie mode in footage we know that things don't often play the same as when we actually play the game.

When I play Madden, it doesn't look like their marketing videos (I'm not trucking everyone over with ease) nor their gameplay demos.

I'm not sure if you read my post a couple pages back, or have seen any of my other posts, but I'll repeat for you so that you can understand the PERSPECTIVE. Remember, this is going off of history and what we can see NOW. Things can and my god do I hope they change, but its very very very unlikely that it will in Madden 25.

The fact is, is that Madden 25's 'next gen engine' is exactly the same as Madden 13's current gen engine. It is not completely new because it is comprised of the same core elements, with other things inbuilt into it so that it is EASIER to code for.

A 'NEW' engine would mean that they started from scratch from most people's perspectives. The Madden 12 engine was, wait for this, admitted by EA Devs to be based on PS2 code that got transferred over to current gen due to a lack of preparation time.

The reason that people complain about the same things is because the game is still based off the same core principles.

We are glad to hear about the new AI, I am very excited for its capabilities, but what it needs is to be paired with REAL PHYSICS. As in, when a 300lbs guy running full speed collides with a 150lbs guy standing still, the 300lbs guy will obliterate him. It should also mean that 5,9 CBs trailing a WR who has 5 steps on him should not be able to psychically jump up, extend their arms and perfectly pluck the ball from the air for an interception while the WR runs blindly down field, nor does it mean that a WR should know, as soon as a ball is released, that it's trajectory is not following the typical route as the route he is running, and instinctively runs to where the ball will be to make a catch.

The list could go on forever, but you will see that these 'Legacy' issues are unlikely to change any time soon until the game has a fundamental change, which is proven by the recycling of the 'infinity' engine within the 'ignite' engine.

We are not judging the game off of hype videos and marketing, we are looking at the core issues of the game we are so tired of and familiar with that just so happen to show their face in every Madden.

[tfctillidie]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

No offense, BUT based on your post in this thread you are blind to your Madden faith. It's as though you fail to see that Madden has historically not changed much from pre-alpha to alpha. Yes of course it is changed some, but is the change more than just noticeable? Based on past Madden's the answer is no, not really. Now does the future look bright with potentially? IMO absolutely, but do I see the same old problems that have plagued Madden since the 360/ps3 gen? Absolutely as well.

Blind to Madden faith?

Is it so hard to comprehend that people like Madden?

Yes, M13 had issues with the interior running game, DB interaction, etc...it doesn't need to be listed.

And? I still have fun playing it.


There's not one video game out there you couldn't sit on your arse and nitpick to death, but then you'd never have fun.

Good on you folks for the half glass empty personality, I'd rather focus on what's fun and enjoy it for what it offers, than complaining about what's unrealistic and just being pissed off all the time.


I just don't understand you folks. You complain about issues for YEARS of your life. Why not do something else? Why just sit on the internet yelling at people because they find Madden fun and don't get hung up on it's shortcomings?

[bucky60]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release.

Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type.

Again, misrepresented what I said (for what I want it for.....it was good for you).

And it was bug ridden, plus had a bunch of missing long standing features.

If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure.

Many hear on OS. Quite a few mods share the opinion.

bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it.

Wrong again. I'm on hear to get info and give opinion. I would love for Madden to be on par with other sports games. It is the only NFL Video game in town. And many others share the opinion that Madden has been sub par this console gen. Quite a few mods here on OS share the same opinion.

Again, please don't false represent me like this.

THANK YOU.

[AlreadyKnoJ]

Wow, you all just love to complain... And some of you may actually be blind!!! How can you possibly say this looks like current gen Madden when there was an OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE in the Juke Moves and Player Control, there was an OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE in the movement and fluidity of the new OL/DL Blocking Scheme & Reaction... and how in the world did you guys not notice that... THERE WAS NO MORE HUNCHBACK RUNNING!!!!!! YESSSSS!

Yeah its a work in progress, and the player moverments and interactions look absolutely horrendous. EA needs to look at maddent 05 and NFL 2k5 and take notes. There trying to do way to much instead of just mastering the basic fluidity of the game.

[infemous]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release.

Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type.

You seem to think that Madden to everyone, is exactly what you think it is.

If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure.

bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it.

You make every thread you post in nearly intolerable. You can't stand anything about this game, but for years just piss and moan about it. What's your purpose?

If you have been reading his posts for over a decade I'd assume you're old enough to realise how hypocritical this post is and how out of line it is.

This sort of commentary is not needed within the debate about the potential of the Madden series.

Your opinion is something worthy of debate but to personally attack and then descend the conversation into something about 'haters' is pathetic.

I'm sorry I wasted so much of my time replying to you.

[PVarck31]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Enough with the bickering. Dial it down a notch guys.

[tfctillidie]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Not even going to bother. Hate all you want, I'll have fun and you guys can be miserable all you wish.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Blind to Madden faith?

Is it so hard to comprehend that people like Madden?

Yes, M13 had issues with the interior running game, DB interaction, etc...it doesn't need to be listed.

And? I still have fun playing it.


There's not one video game out there you couldn't sit on your arse and nitpick to death, but then you'd never have fun.

Good on you folks for the half glass empty personality, I'd rather focus on what's fun and enjoy it for what it offers, than complaining about what's unrealistic and just being pissed off all the time.


I just don't understand you folks. You complain about issues for YEARS of your life. Why not do something else? Why just sit on the internet yelling at people because they find Madden fun and don't get hung up on it's shortcomings?

Trust me every single person on here would LOVE to see Madden succeed because that would mean it's a great game again. Madden hasn't been great since Madden 2005. Madden 12 and Madden 13 took a step in the right direction, but based on what we have seen they just aren't there yet. Now that's not to say they can never get there because they really could. As of now though at best they have put out a solid game these past 2 years, but not a great one. The fear a lot of people have is that we will again suffer another 8+ years of at best mediocre football gaming. I think we have waited long enough for something to be great. I don't think Madden 25 on the next gen will be the next great Madden, however next year's Madden on the next gen consoles I believe has a good chance at becoming great again. I believe the foundation is almost laid down and we can finally start building the house. Once that happens we can finally live happy and comfortably.

[spidaman2323]

Not at all. I love EA, and I love Madden. But if you look at everything that 2005 had, it was the best Madden EVER. Formation audibles, Create a play, a super deep franchise. It was the pinnacle. The next year the game went to the current gen and it all fell part.

Create-a-play is one of those features that ads massive re-play value to the game. Hours and hours of designing and practicing your plays. I mean literally days go by without playing a single in-game down while you tinker with it. Like online franchise, I think it's a must-have feature. Give it back and I'll shut up. Happily.

Thank you!! I thought i was the only one that miss creating your own plays.. I'd spend more time creating plays than actually playing the game! It was the best part of the game to me..They really need to bring it back...

[infemous]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Not even going to bother. Hate all you want, I'll have fun and you guys can be miserable all you wish.

[spidaman2323]

Madden hasn't been the same Since Madden voice has been gone!! period...

[tfctillidie]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Trust me every single person on here would LOVE to see Madden succeed because that would mean it's a great game again. Madden hasn't been great since Madden 2005. Madden 12 and Madden 13 took a step in the right direction, but based on what we have seen they just aren't there yet. Now that's not to say they can never get there because they really could. As of now though at best they have put out a solid game these past 2 years, but not a great one. The fear a lot of people have is that we will again suffer another 8+ years of at best mediocre football gaming. I think we have waited long enough for something to be great. I don't think Madden 25 on the next gen will be the next great Madden, however next year's Madden on the next gen consoles I believe has a good chance at becoming great again. I believe the foundation is almost laid down and we can finally start building the house. Once that happens we can finally live happy and comfortably.

You assume that "Every single person on this site" sees Madden the same way you do. This is not correct. In between the long winded yelling about previous Maddens and legacy issues, is someone saying they enjoy the game or are excited for the future and get lambasted for it.

I don't think that's fair and the generalizations around here can be crazy.


I don't know why the Gen 2 to Gen 3 leap is constantly referenced while the Gen 1 to Gen 2 leap is ignored. The 2-->3 leap had a short developed game that came without features. We already know Gen 4 has been in development for 1-2 years and will have current gen features. We know the Madden 06 scenario is not going to happen.