Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

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Looking/judging based on this video, it's too much of the "same old same old." Outside of some (not all) of the running back's foot animations, the other stuff looks just like what we've been getting from Madden since '06. The linebackers moving in exact unison, the players barely touching each other and flying backwards in opposite directions like shot out of a cannon, the wayward diving by the defensive players. Sigh.

We all want Madden to be soooooo good...but does EA?

[tfctillidie]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

If you're going to bring my name up, at least be accurate. So far I have not given an impression of Madden 14/25 because I have not seen enough of it. I commented on someone else having an extreme opinion while they were chastising somebody else's opinion while we haven't had nearly enough info to really make these kinds of judgements. My comment wasn't hating on anything. It was basically stating the obvious. And now I've seen just what you're about. And the person you were just chastising was going off of footage we have, which all we have AND almost a decade of EA/Tib history. Madden 13 wasn't very good (for what I want it for) and many others agree with that. You seem to have a different opinion. So I suppose it was good for you. Please don't mention my user id and represent it so falsely. THANK YOU.

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release.

Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type.

You seem to think that Madden to everyone, is exactly what you think it is.

If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure.

bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it.

You make every thread you post in nearly intolerable. You can't stand anything about this game, but for years just piss and moan about it. What's your purpose?

[roadman]

I'd like to think we can all agree that it's too inconclusive to say one way or the other if Madden will fail or pass the test, right?

One very early build showing off the new running precision modifiers and the new OL blocking assignment.

I stated earlier that I wasn't impressed with the first go rounds with the video, but then I saw Sim's analysis and I saw things I didn't see the first two rounds.

History can stay the same, but it can change, too.

Need to wait a bit longer.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release. Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type. You seem to think that Madden to everyone, is exactly what you think it is. If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure. bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it. You make every thread you post in nearly intolerable. You can't stand anything about this game, but for years just piss and moan about it. What's your purpose?

No offense, BUT based on your post in this thread you are blind to your Madden faith. It's as though you fail to see that Madden has historically not changed much from pre-alpha to alpha. Yes of course it is changed some, but is the change more than just noticeable? Based on past Madden's the answer is no, not really. Now does the future look bright with potential? IMO absolutely, but do I see the same old problems that have plagued Madden since the 360/ps3 gen? Absolutely as well.

[tfctillidie]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I'd like to think we can all agree that it's too inconclusive to say one way or the other if Madden will fail or pass the test, right? One very early build showing off the new running precision modifiers and the new OL blocking assignment. I stated earlier that I wasn't impressed with the first go rounds with the video, but then I saw Sim's analysis and I saw things I didn't see the first two rounds. History can stay the same, but it can change, too. Need to wait a bit longer.

No sir, Madden next gen already failed, history is proven. We've not even seen someone throw a pass, but we know it will be crap. Tread carefully!

[infemous]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

At least someone is capable of explanation, awesome. So using EA's history as a guide, and their regular use of rookie mode in footage we know that things don't often play the same as when we actually play the game. When I play Madden, it doesn't look like their marketing videos (I'm not trucking everyone over with ease) nor their gameplay demos.

I'm not sure if you read my post a couple pages back, or have seen any of my other posts, but I'll repeat for you so that you can understand the PERSPECTIVE. Remember, this is going off of history and what we can see NOW. Things can and my god do I hope they change, but its very very very unlikely that it will in Madden 25.

The fact is, is that Madden 25's 'next gen engine' is exactly the same as Madden 13's current gen engine. It is not completely new because it is comprised of the same core elements, with other things inbuilt into it so that it is EASIER to code for.

A 'NEW' engine would mean that they started from scratch from most people's perspectives. The Madden 12 engine was, wait for this, admitted by EA Devs to be based on PS2 code that got transferred over to current gen due to a lack of preparation time.

The reason that people complain about the same things is because the game is still based off the same core principles.

We are glad to hear about the new AI, I am very excited for its capabilities, but what it needs is to be paired with REAL PHYSICS. As in, when a 300lbs guy running full speed collides with a 150lbs guy standing still, the 300lbs guy will obliterate him. It should also mean that 5,9 CBs trailing a WR who has 5 steps on him should not be able to psychically jump up, extend their arms and perfectly pluck the ball from the air for an interception while the WR runs blindly down field, nor does it mean that a WR should know, as soon as a ball is released, that it's trajectory is not following the typical route as the route he is running, and instinctively runs to where the ball will be to make a catch.

The list could go on forever, but you will see that these 'Legacy' issues are unlikely to change any time soon until the game has a fundamental change, which is proven by the recycling of the 'infinity' engine within the 'ignite' engine.

We are not judging the game off of hype videos and marketing, we are looking at the core issues of the game we are so tired of and familiar with that just so happen to show their face in every Madden.

[tfctillidie]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheBuddyHobbs

No offense, BUT based on your post in this thread you are blind to your Madden faith. It's as though you fail to see that Madden has historically not changed much from pre-alpha to alpha. Yes of course it is changed some, but is the change more than just noticeable? Based on past Madden's the answer is no, not really. Now does the future look bright with potentially? IMO absolutely, but do I see the same old problems that have plagued Madden since the 360/ps3 gen? Absolutely as well.

Blind to Madden faith?

Is it so hard to comprehend that people like Madden?

Yes, M13 had issues with the interior running game, DB interaction, etc...it doesn't need to be listed.

And? I still have fun playing it.


There's not one video game out there you couldn't sit on your arse and nitpick to death, but then you'd never have fun.

Good on you folks for the half glass empty personality, I'd rather focus on what's fun and enjoy it for what it offers, than complaining about what's unrealistic and just being pissed off all the time.


I just don't understand you folks. You complain about issues for YEARS of your life. Why not do something else? Why just sit on the internet yelling at people because they find Madden fun and don't get hung up on it's shortcomings?

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

Madden 13 wasn't very good? Subjective. Many people enjoyed Madden 13, many people still play Madden 13 10 months after it's release. Just because your opinion is that Madden isn't very good, doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion, that's the problem with your type.

Again, misrepresented what I said (for what I want it for.....it was good for you).

And it was bug ridden, plus had a bunch of missing long standing features.

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

If "many" people thought that, Madden wouldn't continue to sell to millions of people. I wonder what your definition of "many" is? Millions of people have fun with this game, that's more than your "many", I'm sure.

Many hear on OS. Quite a few mods share the opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

bucky, you're a 60 year old man who programs for a living and think you know it all about game development. I've read your posts for close to a decade. I know you in and out. You hate Madden, period. You're here to stir **** up, like you do on other boards and think that everyone thinks Madden is crap because that's your opinion of it.

Wrong again. I'm on hear to get info and give opinion. I would love for Madden to be on par with other sports games. It is the only NFL Video game in town. And many others share the opinion that Madden has been sub par this console gen. Quite a few mods here on OS share the same opinion.

Again, please don't false represent me like this.

THANK YOU.