NHL 13 Blog - GM Brain: The New AI System That Handles Computer Trades, Drafts & More

[canucksss]

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Wow.. I love what I'm reading.. will it all work as advertised?

hope so!!! better have beta tester who will PAY ATTENTION TO THESE PROMISES..because if not and its because of lousy quality testing..i'll be pissed of

[Gagnon39]

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Did they mention anything about draft booms and busts? I'd like to see some first round draft picks not live up to their potential and some late-round draft picks become NHL superstars.

Basically is potential guaranteed?

[goalieump413]

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Did they mention anything about draft booms and busts? I'd like to see some first round draft picks not live up to their potential and some late-round draft picks become NHL superstars.

Basically is potential guaranteed?

I hope not! Nothing worse than seeing a potential rating being set in stone. Potential should be a fluid rating, since after all, it's a subjective opinion. Solid statistical production should increase a potential rating, while poorer play should decrease it.

One other thing, and again not to make too many comparisons between hockey and football, but in NFL Head Coach 09, player ratings were not universal from team to team, but based on a team's "system". Since I'm a BAP player, can someone tell me if, in NHL12, a player signs with another team or gets traded, do his ratings change? Do teams value different player abilities differently?

This should also be taken into account, since, for example, some teams might overvalue speed vs strength, or youth vs veterans.

[Majingir]

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Guarantee on day 1, someone will find a trade that'd never happen in real life lol.

Leafs trade Connolly and Lombardi for a 2nd round draft pick lol!


But really seems like alot of changes went into NHL13, haven't seen this many changes going into NHL games in awhile. From improving gm brain stuff, to the gm connected mode, to really fixing up gameplay. Seems like they did alot more.

[blaziruku]

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Weird faceoff's is counted as a sense???

[bwiggy33]

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Weird faceoff's is counted as a sense???

No it's under defense

[Vikes1]

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Did they mention anything about draft booms and busts? I'd like to see some first round draft picks not live up to their potential and some late-round draft picks become NHL superstars.

Basically is potential guaranteed?

Great questions, Gagnon!

About the potential...I was wondering about this too. I'd prefer the potential to be a fairly close indicator, but not set in stone. By what I was reading, I was getting at least the impression that the potential is the potential. Hope I'm misunderstanding things.

And yeah...gems/busts in the draft would be great.

[Vikes1]

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I hope not! Nothing worse than seeing a potential rating being set in stone. Potential should be a fluid rating, since after all, it's a subjective opinion. Solid statistical production should increase a potential rating, while poorer play should decrease it.

One other thing, and again not to make too many comparisons between hockey and football, but in NFL Head Coach 09, player ratings were not universal from team to team, but based on a team's "system". Since I'm a BAP player, can someone tell me if, in NHL12, a player signs with another team or gets traded, do his ratings change? Do teams value different player abilities differently?

This should also be taken into account, since, for example, some teams might overvalue speed vs strength, or youth vs veterans.

Lots of great points here, Goalie!

Agree completely about the potential.

And would be pleasantly surprised if the "Systems" added for NHL '13' did cause player ratings to vary from system to system. That would imo be a very cool detailed addition to the game.

[06woz]

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Did they mention anything about draft booms and busts? I'd like to see some first round draft picks not live up to their potential and some late-round draft picks become NHL superstars.

Basically is potential guaranteed?

Did you see the part about the color codes of the stars?

[narwhale]

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Did anyone else notice in the screenshot of the progression sim that all of the top players shown for 2021 (except for 2) are guys that are already in the league? So basically no one who was drafted in the simulation for the next 9 years is going to be a star, and Crosby and Ovechkin are still 1 and 2 in their mid thirties. How likely does that sound?

[06woz]

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Did anyone else notice in the screenshot of the progression sim that all of the top players shown for 2021 (except for 2) are guys that are already in the league? So basically no one who was drafted in the simulation for the next 9 years is going to be a star, and Crosby and Ovechkin are still 1 and 2 in their mid thirties. How likely does that sound?

Keep in mind that it's one simulation of that length, and their studies would have been composed of hundreds if not thousands of simulations.

"We are able to model and test drive scenarios using a tool that we created."

[BlueNGold]

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[Qb]

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It'll be interesting to see if this applies to line making logic as well regarding player roles. Will guys that generally play better defense or two way forwards like a Patrice Bergeron be set on the PK rather than a tough guy like a Lucic would in prior years.

That was my question after reading about the new role system. You'd think the roles would be used for the even strength lines, as it's so clear cut. In the past they used certain attributes to pick the penalty killers, but for some reason checking and (I think) aggressiveness were big factors, hence the tough guys on the PK. I talked with them about this two years ago at the community event... change it to DAWR (mainly), speed, and maybe a combination of shot blocking, stick checking, and faceoffs. Hopefully it's improved.

I wonder what the "senses" rating is about. I assume it is being good at seeing players across the ice and making accurate passes? Effectively separating the evaluation of deke skill with passing skill on the puck?

It looked like Senses was a group of ratings, as in overall hockey sense, not a new individual rating.

Did they mention anything about draft booms and busts? I'd like to see some first round draft picks not live up to their potential and some late-round draft picks become NHL superstars.

Basically is potential guaranteed?

As 06woz said, they mentioned the color-coding of stars represented a player's likelihood of reaching his potential. So if you want to split hairs, perhaps a player's ultimate potential is set, but they are not guaranteed to reach it. Can't tell from the info provided if the potential itself will change; eg, a 3-star guy has several great years and becomes 4-star (or the opposite).

Keep in mind that it's one simulation of that length, and their studies would have been composed of hundreds if not thousands of simulations.

"We are able to model and test drive scenarios using a tool that we created."

Yeah, highly dubious to draw conclusions from a single screen grab. Way too many variables involved. With that being said, I sure hope they gave regression as much love as progression.

I want to see guys losing skating & physical abilities as they age, but increasing their "senses" from their years of experience. Just like young players generally need to improve their awareness, defensive skills, and strength to break into the NHL.

[canucksss]

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Yeah, highly dubious to draw conclusions from a single screen grab. Way too many variables involved. With that being said, I sure hope they gave regression as much love as progression.

I want to see guys losing skating & physical abilities as they age, but increasing their "senses" from their years of experience. Just like young players generally need to improve their awareness, defensive skills, and strength to break into the NHL.

Yes!!!! I want to see the progression of the younger (rising star) players and the regression of older star players.

like Gagnon said....boom or bust for some 1-2nd rounders and 5-7th rounders draft pick. there are some players who came mid or late round picks that are now playing in NHL level. Example in Canucks: Bieksa (5th round), Hansen (9th round) or White (1st rounder and bust)

[onac22]

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All of this sounds amazing and so far filling in all those holes that we have all asked can't wait to try it out.

With that said I was wondering if a formula has been worked out for actual physical growth. Example being the 16 yr old CHL players still at 5'10" and 165lbs. Has anyone heard anything about players being able to add height and weight after being drafted and aging?