NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

[Rogie Vachon]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

You know Rogie, I haven't heard even a tidbit of information regarding goalie control in NHL 13 yet. So, I'm gonna take what's stated in the trailer with a grain of salt. Until the devs release an insight on goaltending, it's probably best not to be so pesimistic...

The fact that you're saying manual saves are gone and we'll have less control over goalies baffles me, especially since this trailer states otherwise. I think it's more likely that we have the exact same amount of controls that we did last year for manually controlling goalies (based upon past EA history), since BAPro wasn't a focus this year. I think saves'll be more dynamic, and instead of animations, we'll be able to move all four of our limbs naturally; pardon my optimism.

I`ve been able to get some specific questions answered about the human goalie controls,although getting that info is like trying to get the answer to "Is it safe?" from Dustin Hoffman.

I`m posting what I`ve been told by people who specifically played using human goalies at the community day.

I was told that the RS left and RS right made the goalie lean one way or the other to facilitate the "cheating".


Seeing as those were where the "manual saves" on the RS were,I asked...."so where did the manual saves go?"
Answer - "gone"

If you don`t want to believe me ,fine.
We`ll wait and see.

To Realm - the arrogant, condescending attitude isn`t really necessary is it?
I`ll

[ruddamucker]

Every goalie is still in that same awkward slumped stance with their glove resting on their pad?

Not one goalie in the NHL challenges a shooter in that stance nor does any goalie stand exactly like one another, yet every goalie in this game does. Makes sense.

Good to see the artwork on the helmets hasn't changed. Never get tired of seeing a two-toned team color helmet.

I know the artists hold the rights to the actual artwork on the masks, but seriously, these are the same helmets since 07. How difficult is it to come up with your own creations? People were creating custom artwork for goalie helmets in the PC versions 5 years ago, you guys can't do the same?

Absolutely no physics in regards to their skating or movement in/out of the butterfly either.

Apart from goalies, why are players taking wrist shots? Who the hell in the NHL takes a wrist shot? Who over the age of 12 takes a wrist shot? Why is that even an animation in the game?

There are enough flaws in this game for me to fill up this entire page.

Traded in NHL 11 after two months, passed on NHL 12, will pass on NHL 13.

It's the same game since it made the jump to next-gen. Yeah there have been tweaks here and there, but the general feeling of the game is the exact same as NHL 07.

The entire development team needs to be replaced. Definition of complacency.

Destroy all of the coding developed for the NHL franchise and start all over because this series is just plain awful.

[mercalnd]

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Apart from goalies, why are players taking wrist shots? Who the hell in the NHL takes a wrist shot? Who over the age of 12 takes a wrist shot? Why is that even an animation in the game?

You can't be serious.

[bwiggy33]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

Every goalie is still in that same awkward slumped stance with their glove resting on their pad?

Not one goalie in the NHL challenges a shooter in that stance nor does any goalie stand exactly like one another, yet every goalie in this game does. Makes sense.

Good to see the artwork on the helmets hasn't changed. Never get tired of seeing a two-toned team color helmet.

I know the artists hold the rights to the actual artwork on the masks, but seriously, these are the same helmets since 07. How difficult is it to come up with your own creations? People were creating custom artwork for goalie helmets in the PC versions 5 years ago, you guys can't do the same?

Absolutely no physics in regards to their skating or movement in/out of the butterfly either.

Apart from goalies, why are players taking wrist shots? Who the hell in the NHL takes a wrist shot? Who over the age of 12 takes a wrist shot? Why is that even an animation in the game?

There are enough flaws in this game for me to fill up this entire page.

Traded in NHL 11 after two months, passed on NHL 12, will pass on NHL 13.

It's the same game since it made the jump to next-gen. Yeah there have been tweaks here and there, but the general feeling of the game is the exact same as NHL 07.

The entire development team needs to be replaced. Definition of complacency.

Destroy all of the coding developed for the NHL franchise and start all over because this series is just plain awful.

Honestly for the most part I agree with most of what you're saying. Not the totally ripping out the gameplay and producers or the wrist shot portion necessarily, but some of the other points about the game being the exact same. What I think needs to happen is the wrist shot needs to change in this game. In the NHL not many guys have the ability to roll back their wrist and go through this long process without the shot being blocked or the puck being taken away by the defender. The skill stick in general just needs a total revamp in order to make this game look like a hockey player would actually go about stick handling and making moves.

[MrYaz]

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Certainly hoping that this game has changed for the better. I have been noticing my NHL 12 time really slumping off as of late (really only play club games anymore)

I just know when I get into an EASHL game. I know whats going to happen. Glitch Goal, Glitch Goal, Absolutely dreadful A.I., Copy.Paste.Paste.Paste.Paste./End of game.

[RealmK]

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I`ve been able to get some specific questions answered about the human goalie controls,although getting that info is like trying to get the answer to "Is it safe?" from Dustin Hoffman.

I`m posting what I`ve been told by people who specifically played using human goalies at the community day.

I was told that the RS left and RS right made the goalie lean one way or the other to facilitate the "cheating".


Seeing as those were where the "manual saves" on the RS were,I asked...."so where did the manual saves go?"
Answer - "gone"

If you don`t want to believe me ,fine.
We`ll wait and see.

To Realm - the arrogant, condescending attitude isn`t really necessary is it?
I`ll

Honestly my intent wasn't arrogance. Basing the retail build off a 4 months from ship out alpha build however that none of us have played and is still at that point a work in progress is a bit over board don't you agree?

[TheUndogmatic]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

Every goalie is still in that same awkward slumped stance with their glove resting on their pad?

Not one goalie in the NHL challenges a shooter in that stance nor does any goalie stand exactly like one another, yet every goalie in this game does. Makes sense.

Good to see the artwork on the helmets hasn't changed. Never get tired of seeing a two-toned team color helmet.

I know the artists hold the rights to the actual artwork on the masks, but seriously, these are the same helmets since 07. How difficult is it to come up with your own creations? People were creating custom artwork for goalie helmets in the PC versions 5 years ago, you guys can't do the same?

Absolutely no physics in regards to their skating or movement in/out of the butterfly either.

Apart from goalies, why are players taking wrist shots? Who the hell in the NHL takes a wrist shot? Who over the age of 12 takes a wrist shot? Why is that even an animation in the game?

There are enough flaws in this game for me to fill up this entire page.

Traded in NHL 11 after two months, passed on NHL 12, will pass on NHL 13.

It's the same game since it made the jump to next-gen. Yeah there have been tweaks here and there, but the general feeling of the game is the exact same as NHL 07.

The entire development team needs to be replaced. Definition of complacency.

Destroy all of the coding developed for the NHL franchise and start all over because this series is just plain awful.

And the nitpicker of the year award goes to... Seriously this game isn't even out yet and people are just destroying it.

[Cycloniac]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

Every goalie is still in that same awkward slumped stance with their glove resting on their pad?

Not one goalie in the NHL challenges a shooter in that stance nor does any goalie stand exactly like one another, yet every goalie in this game does. Makes sense.

Good to see the artwork on the helmets hasn't changed. Never get tired of seeing a two-toned team color helmet.

I know the artists hold the rights to the actual artwork on the masks, but seriously, these are the same helmets since 07. How difficult is it to come up with your own creations? People were creating custom artwork for goalie helmets in the PC versions 5 years ago, you guys can't do the same?

Absolutely no physics in regards to their skating or movement in/out of the butterfly either.

Apart from goalies, why are players taking wrist shots? Who the hell in the NHL takes a wrist shot? Who over the age of 12 takes a wrist shot? Why is that even an animation in the game?

There are enough flaws in this game for me to fill up this entire page.

Traded in NHL 11 after two months, passed on NHL 12, will pass on NHL 13.

It's the same game since it made the jump to next-gen. Yeah there have been tweaks here and there, but the general feeling of the game is the exact same as NHL 07.

The entire development team needs to be replaced. Definition of complacency.

Destroy all of the coding developed for the NHL franchise and start all over because this series is just plain awful.

I agree with some of what you mentioned, like the goalie mask artwork. But honestly, I'd rather them focus on fixing bugs than that; don't nitpick.

It's also true that most players use snapshots or slapshots versus wristers, but wristers are still used. What the devs could do is tune the engine so that snapshots are used the most versus the other two shot types.

Also, I would never go as far as saying that NHL 12 is the same as NHL 07; never. That's completely incorrect. NHL 07 was essentially an arcade hockey game compared to NHL 12. Presentation was basically nonexistant. Physics was scripted and largely unrealistic. So while NHL 12 may not look perfect, it is ludicrous to say that it's the same as NHL 07.

[Cycloniac]

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And the nitpicker of the year award goes to... Seriously this game isn't even out yet and people are just destroying it.

I loved the part where he said every member of the dev team should be fired; sheesh.

[liberaluser]

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If it's actually true that they have perfect goalies this year as Rammer says, then all the team has to do is make those crazy flying saves much, much rarer. Emphasize good positioning and subtle movements to make saves or just plain let it through.

[JamieLeeWV]

I want to see differentiation in goalie styles. From the cool calm guys like lundqvist to the abaolutely sprawling scorpion save guys like brodeur i wanna see some epic marty diving pokechecks in nhl 13.

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[Rogie Vachon]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

I want to see differentiation in goalie styles. From the cool calm guys like lundqvist to the abaolutely sprawling scorpion save guys like brodeur i wanna see some epic marty diving pokechecks in nhl 13.

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Don`t count on it.

They still hadn`t even fixed the bug in the paddle down animation where the human controlled goalie keeps kicking out a leg continuously.

If they`re showing off the game already,even in it`s alpha state, and this bug that they`ve known about since last Sept,Oct,Nov,Dec,etc still hasn`t been fixed.....what does that tell you?

There is another bug* in the animations too...I wonder if that`s been fixed yet? They`ve known about it for the same amount of time.

*Butterfly stance to paddle down stance,.....my human controlled goalie shouldn`t need to get to his feet to do this.

I`ve yet to be shown where what I`ve posted is wrong.
I`ve been told I`m not being nice,being negative about the alpha build......but I`ve yet to be shown that I`m wrong.

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

Don`t count on it.

They still hadn`t even fixed the bug in the paddle down animation where the human controlled goalie keeps kicking out a leg continuously.

If they`re showing off the game already,even in it`s alpha state, and this bug that they`ve known about since last Sept,Oct,Nov,Dec,etc still hasn`t been fixed.....what does that tell you?

There is another bug* in the animations too...I wonder if that`s been fixed yet? They`ve known about it for the same amount of time.

*Butterfly stance to paddle down stance,.....my human controlled goalie shouldn`t need to get to his feet to do this.

I`ve yet to be shown where what I`ve posted is wrong.
I`ve been told I`m not being nice,being negative about the alpha build......but I`ve yet to be shown that I`m wrong.

I'm not sure that anyone on this board has a time machine to go check out the final build and report how human goalies are going to be like in retail and if the standing bugs you mention are indeed fixed.

I can understand your frustration, especially if that's a position you play alot of, you would expect some love in that area.

Hopefully EA fixes them so you can enjoy the game how you'd like to play it.

[Rogie Vachon]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

I'm not sure that anyone on this board has a time machine to go check out the final build and report how human goalies are going to be like in retail and if the standing bugs you mention are indeed fixed.

I can understand your frustration, especially if that's a position you play alot of, you would expect some love in that area.

Hopefully EA fixes them so you can enjoy the game how you'd like to play it.

The point of bringing up the bugs is that they shouldn`t even have been present in the alpha build.
If anyone had actually fixed them,do you really think they`d be still in at this stage,where they are marketing and showing the game?

It tells me the goalies get the same,if not more neglect than what the AI got for the last 3 yrs.

[jyoung]

Re: NHL 13 Last Man Standing Goalie Trailer

From today's new goalie blog:

http://www.easports.com/nhl/news/article/nhl-13-goalie-deep-dive

User Controlled Goalies - Anticipation

This year the right stick is used to anticipate a save, allowing the human controlled goalie to prepare for a shot without committing to the save and moving out of position. If the player guesses right they are that much more likely to make the save. Guessing wrong still leaves the goalie with a chance to make a save, but they’re going to be an instant slower which could be costly.

Once committed to a save human controlled goalies will still have the ability to adjust and correct, using their individual limb control to raise a blocker or kick out a pad to make that amazing save.

The poke-check ability has also been improved for human controlled goalies in NHL 13, making it more accurate and increasing the chance that the player controlled goalie will end up with the puck.