NBA Live 13 Preview

[thevaliantx]

These guys spend so much money on strategy marketing and development that they forget about gameplay, player models and AI adaptability. It has been 13 years and we still don't have a basketball sim to revolutionize the way we play basketball games. 2k to me still has another level to go and i don't think they will do it this year either.

To me 2K12 was a downgrade. 2K11 was okay... Better than 2K12, but okay. I still don't see it happening this year either. I don't know what they are waiting for but they haven't wowed me. I mean think about it for a second just really sit back and think about it. Have we seen a basketball sim that has revolutionized the way we play simulation basketball? It has been over 13 years we have spent money to play these so called simulation basketball games.

I am not talking about the development over the years because I give them credit in the sense that as a game in general they have come pretty far from a graphic standpoint and the things you can do as a user, the moves and stuff you can pull off, but what I am taking about is changing the way we play and the way the AI plays against us. I have not been immersed into a basketball sim yet. Not even 2K has sucked me into that "experience" that they talk about every year. Presentation, gameplay all that is okay but not spectacular the way it is hyped up. I found myself skipping through the Sprint momentum play by play by Doris Burke the halftime report I skip, and the intermissions with other teams that are playing report gets skipped. Even the intros I skipped after a month.

I know this thread is about Live 13 but I just got to say it all because they are both making claims about simulation, gameplay experience, ESPN this, Sprite that, and neither Live or 2K has really showed up. Live especially, these dudes been out the game for two years and their build is below average at this point and they don't have very long to go to launch and I fear for them. look how long its been that we have played these basketball games. Just sit and think about it. What are they waiting for, Next Gen consoles? I hope not because we will be right back here again, all next gen is going to be is graphic enhancement.

Its been a very long time for these basketball sims and we are still being tickled with gameplay and visuals. Just think about it as a consumer. Does anyone feel cheated but me? Just my opinion either 2K and maybe Live for that matter are holding back for something big for next year because it is not this year and I can guarantee that based on what I have seen so far and we all know they don't have a whole lot of time to scrap and build again before launch or in reality they have reached their CEILING.

Both games in my opinion need an EXTREME MAKEOVER from player models not just faces, to presentation and commentary adaptability, replays and halftime reports, a real deep and immersive Dynasty mode, deep and immersive Create a player not just my player but create a player in Dynasty mode, Olympic games and teams not in a mode only but also into the deep and immersive Dynasty mode and so on. Its been 13 years?!!??

LOL.....2K isn't holding anything back for next year. You might, with wishful thinking, be THINKING that, but it's not reality. What 2K is holding back is making the game as great as it could be. Remember, for DECADES now literally NOTHING has been built (in any industry) to last for a lifetime. There simply just isn't any money in selling something at a high quality for a low price, and the industries have figured that out. The gaming industry is no different. It figured it out long ago, after the innovation phase of the 70's and 80's, that if you only add in small, incremental improvements, that you have for yourself a long revenue stream. If you make a game that is so great that folks are still playing it by the time next year rolls around (to when you would have released your next product version), then folks are not going to buy your new product. It's that simple. So, how does one overcome the OBVIOUS pattern of intentionally implementing small, incremental improvements? With GREAT MARKETING! With great marketing, you will lose the customers who have caught onto your ways, because of the last version they played, but will gain so many more customers. EA is a genius in the marketing department. They stole the show with all those Madden Football products in the 90's. Remember their fancy ads on the backs of the boxes and in the magazines? Boy, I sure do. Thankfully I was blessed with the insight to know the difference between being presented with something that is truly remarkable, and being presented with marketing speak horse manure. 2K doesn't market well, and their existing products don't stand the test of time, and that's why they're failing. EA is approaching that point in the time line where there just isn't much they can say (or recycle from the same old garbage) to continue snowing folks over. Customers, by and large, have caught onto their ways. With gaming magazines disappearing, and the Internet as we currently know it having been around, it shouldn't be a surprise to many.

[thevaliantx]

im just surprised that no dev for the game has said or responded to anything here, the other basketball forum, their dev is responding,

Well, to be honest, put yourself in the shoes of OS and you might see why dev's aren't responding here ;-)

[thevaliantx]

This game will seal the ultimate end of the "NBA Live" series. I'm almost 100% sure about that...

And it would surprise me little if that is their intention. Though 2K has never really been THAT good of a basketball game, was probably the kind of competition that EA does not want. EA tends to go over the little, weak guys (2K's heading that way). I feel that EA doesn't want anything to do with the game of basketball, their money seems to be tied in football, golf, tennis, hockey and others. In a way I can see why.

[Mr_Riddick]

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hey look man don't take this the wrong way because you seem like a cool guy.

But we aren't buying anymore of EA's B.S. on here.

Most of these guys will believe it when they see it on the floor. I mentioned this before to you that all the interviews, screen shots and previews are all just HYPE.

These guys had two years off and to come on here and say the game is only 60% complete is a slap in the face to all those who have supported EA for years.

What did they do for the 1st 12 months work on their marketing/Hype Skills?

They should be finished with the product and showing us videos of live gameplay....showing us how hard they worked doing the down time.

Instead we get a preview talking about 60% complete and be forgiving to them (EA) for the gameplay not being up to speed yet.....

Pretty much sums it up for me...

[NoTiCe_O]

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That's not at all what I was saying, but thanks for trying. What I DID suggest is that EA does the bare minimum to survive (and uses their marketing to do the rest of the work), and that their long, long history shows that AT BEST they will make minimum improvements on successor products, and remove things that are working ..... under the guise of "we just didn't have the space to put it all in", only to market said removed things at "NEW!!!!!" a year or two later.

I get ya now, i read it wrong.

I don't think EA has the luxury to make min. improvements with NBA Live though, all their other sports titles are starting to flourish while NBA Live still lags behind 2k. Marketing a bad game isn't gonna help much when 2k's already got a loyal consumer base on lock.

After the elite fiasco i don't think EA basketball holds much weight anymore, they've got to deliver. They can't risk to do the bare minimum, they've gotta come with it or 2k might deliver a knockout blow.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Yes Im having a hard time believing with 2 years worth of work on this title,and what they displayed was only at 60% with major bugs, horrible animations , and not being able to showcase more than graphics. With only 4 months away from launch how can we has the consumer feel confident?

Man I'm so disappointed

[bigsmallwood]

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This is highly disappointing considering the fact that they have had 2 years off and apparently the graphics have gotten worse. I'm not sure if they are on a mission to sabotage the NBA Live brand but right now they have very little time to get the ship righted.

[truintellectplaya]

Features


· Smart Spectacular Gameplay – NBA LIVE 13 features smart and spectacular gameplay through Basketball IQ which delivers organic team play as your teammates react and respond to the flow of every game. Driven by Basketball IQ, each team has the ability to adjust quickly to any situation where players can analyze and read off of each other. Gamers will experience the feeling of hitting a cutting player at just the right time for an open lay-up or driving the lane to dish to a teammate for an open jumper – this is real, intelligent, team basketball. Relive those wow moments, and experience what it is like to be Jeremy Lin and deliver the perfect pin-point alley oop pass to a high flying Tyson Chandler!

· ESPN Broadcast Presentation – NBA basketball fans will enjoy a fully integrated ESPN broadcast package in NBA LIVE 13. The presentation will look, feel and sound like a real NBA broadcast, from detailed player images and arena modeling, to the on-air personalities of ESPN’s #1 commentary team of Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Breen, to authentic camera angles from ESPN’s TV broadcasts that will immerse players in a realistic NBA game experience.

· Player Authenticity – NBA LIVE 13 features a brand new graphics engine that takes player authenticity to a whole new level! Your favorite NBA players will mirror their real-life counterparts with photorealistic star heads thanks to EA SPORTS state-of-the art technology. In addition to authentic player shoes, tattoos and hair, signature bodies enable NBA LIVE 13 to scale and map every single player to their real-life size and tailor the player model to each individual’s body composition. The game will feature a full package of signature styles for all the top NBA superstars - from look and feel to tendencies and emotions, such as Lebron James’ chase down block.

· Connecting Experiences – EA SPORTS has always delivered great online experiences and NBA LIVE 13 will feature all-new online features that will keep players connected and competing all year round!"


The all-new Playmaker Engine leverages world-class animation technology that delivers unprecedented feel, responsiveness and authenticity to NBA LIVE 13.


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I hope you are getting paid for touting some new engine. We heard the same about Elite

[captaintuna]

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No actual Live 13 gameplay video has surfaced yet and some of you guys are piling on EA based on a couple of bloggers' opinions?

I swear some of you guys hate on EA "just because......"

[SouthBeach]

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No actual Live 13 gameplay video has surfaced yet and some of you guys are piling on EA based on a couple of bloggers' opinions?

I swear some of you guys hate on EA "just because......"

Personally, I just want two great basketball titles this year.

And when you've had a little less than two years to develop a game, it's a little unsettling when someone previews your "beta" build and they don't necessarily see potential.

With 2K, even if they released it right now, most people would be upset because it looked like 2K12 but...the potential would still be present.

It's still early, so I hope everything they're saying is actually shown in due time.

[Ermolli]

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After reading how bad the game is right now it makes me wonder how would it be if the EA Canada team continued building Elite without wasting time like EA has by moving to Tiburon and finding a team to create the game. I know Elite 11 was bad but at least they had an idea and a three year plan which would culminate this year. That game despite its flaws (which were many) had some promising things and I believe that if they continued with that project, their build would be better than the one Live 13 had at E3. Besides the new passing, the "move with a purpose", "improved" AI, and the rest of the features could perfectly be added in the Elite cycle during the last two years without losing time. Elite could have been a solid game and good second option if EA gave them the time needed because you couldn't make the game properly in just one year (as we saw with Elite 11).

[captaintuna]

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Does anyone know if Live 13 will retain the "Elite 11" controls (right-stick for shooting)??? Has this been mentioned anywhere?

I know many here hated it, but personally I thought it was great and added a new dimension to the game. I really hope they offer that control option in Live 13.

[Ermolli]

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Does anyone know if Live 13 will retain the "Elite 11" controls (right-stick for shooting)??? Has this been mentioned anywhere?

I know many here hated it, but personally I thought it was great and added a new dimension to the game. I really hope they offer that control option in Live 13.

It was already stated that they went back to the old right stick controls.

[captaintuna]

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It was already stated that they went back to the old right stick controls.

Ok, thanks. Hopefully they will offer the 'Elite 11' controls as an alternative (similar to how "NHL '94" controls is available for the hockey game).

[Sydney Deane]

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Two years and their objective is still bells and whistles.