EA Claims Gran Turismo 5 is Very Sterile, Codemasters Accuses it as Being Boring

[Whitesox]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

But I will say this, I have fun with other driving games more than GT5, hell Toca Racer Driver 2 and 3 are better than GT5. If you'd like to go into specifics.

Why have this debate if you don't want to get into specifics? What is better about those games?

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

With so many racing titles racing for sim status and some doing a hell of a better job. GT5 isn't much more than collecting cars!

Well, except for the racing part in GT5, which is realistic. Is there something in TOCA beyond racing cars? If I remember correctly, you don't even purchase cars in TOCA.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

You don't have the customization, nor graphic details of Forza, during menu's and photo mode you have nice cars, on the track they drop resolution. Forza looks good in menu, and while driving. Not to mention I can customize to a "T". Forza's tracks are more detailed, complete environments with 3D crowds, building, high rises, etc. GT5 2D HD polygons with interlace buildings to keep progress lights on cars.

Perhaps you should visit the tune shop in GT Mode? Plenty of customization. Not a ton of visual customization, but the cars look good enough already.

As for tracks, could you cite examples? I see little difference between Forza and Gran Turismo's tracks.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but you speak of 3D crowds. I went to google and searched for a crowd picture, and came upon a forum thread of people talking about Forza's graphics.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

Burnout Paradise and Shift have better details in their cars, Codemasters Grid and Dirt 2 have better lighting, reflections, and car details than GT5, and I'm talking about while on the track, not while in photo mode.

Burnout:

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Shift:

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GT 5 (Stolen from the photo thread)

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Shift is an excellent looking game, no doubt. But I humbly disagree with the above statements.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

As I've stated before release all those beautiful close up images during marketing were misleading to the car details during racing. But against, I guess my disappointment or views can seem biased from the unbiased gamer.

The above images were taken from races. Details aren't disappearing from cars during races and reappearing when you take photos. The cars in GT 5 look phenomenal.

Also, the last statements makes no sense to me.

[randombrother]

Quote: Originally Posted by Whitesox

Why have this debate if you don't want to get into specifics? What is better about those games? Well, except for the racing part in GT5, which is realistic. Is there something in TOCA beyond racing cars? If I remember correctly, you don't even purchase cars in TOCA. Perhaps you should visit the tune shop in GT Mode? Plenty of customization. Not a ton of visual customization, but the cars look good enough already. As for tracks, could you cite examples? I see little difference between Forza and Gran Turismo's tracks. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but you speak of 3D crowds. I went to google and searched for a crowd picture, and came upon a forum thread of people talking about Forza's graphics. The above images were taken from races. Details aren't disappearing from cars during races and reappearing when you take photos. The cars in GT 5 look phenomenal. Also, the last statements makes no sense to me.

Dude at first glance that Porsche pic looks real. I was wondering why you were posting it.
Secondly that pic is definitely photoshoped. Nowhere , that I know of , you see the crowd standing in complete darkness like that. Once you start photoshoping that pic loses credibility. In no way I say Forza has the best crowds on earth but they definitely aren't the worse.

When racing cars don't have the same level of detail as they do in photo mode. The resolution is knocked back to keep the game moving.

[Whitesox]

Quote: Originally Posted by randombrother

Dude at first glance that Porsche pic looks real. I was wondering why you were posting it. Secondly that pic is definitely photoshoped. Nowhere , that I know of , you see the crowd standing in complete darkness like that. Once you start photoshoping that pic loses credibility. In no way I say Forza has the best crowds on earth but they definitely aren't the worse. When racing cars don't have the same level of detail as they do in photo mode. The resolution is knocked back to keep the game moving.

Firstly, are you accusing me of photoshopping that picture? If so, check this thread. (NOTE: I do not share the views in that thread, just the pictrues. If you can prove otherwise, please do.)

Also note that all of the pictures above were not taken in game, so saying that cars in race don't look as good is a moot point.

[trufootball]

if you want a racing sim, the NFS Shift series is where its at

[Behindshadows]

You took a crappy photo of Forza 3 with someone playing it with AV cables...lmao....and from a replay angle none the less...

Try HD!!!

Forza 3 - Gameplay

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Forza 3 - Photo Mode

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and when I was talking about Shift, Burnout, etc....I meant gameplay wise graphics... But here are better replay images than those low resolution images you posted.

NFS: Shift

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Burnout Paradise - Gameplay Images and Photo mode

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Codemasters - Toca Pro Racer Driver 3

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Codemasters - GRID

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[CaptainZombie]

Quote: Originally Posted by Whitesox

Firstly, are you accusing me of photoshopping that picture? If so, check this thread. (NOTE: I do not share the views in that thread, just the pictrues. If you can prove otherwise, please do.) Also note that all of the pictures above were not taken in game, so saying that cars in race don't look as good is a moot point.

Do you realize that any criticism that is given to GT5, yourself and Enigma keep jumping all over people? Face it, GT5 is far from perfect. Considering it took 5-6 years to release (depending in which region you live) people will have some negatives.

[Whitesox]

Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainZombie

Do you realize that any criticism that is given to GT5, yourself and Enigma keep jumping all over people?

I didn't jump on anybody. This is how debates work. Person A makes a point, Person B rebuts, and so on. If any of the posts I have made offended you, I apologize. Now if you would like to join the debate and explain why you feel GT is far from perfect, sans its development time, please do so.

As for the posts above, I'd take GT5's visuals over all of them, but that is my opinion. Although I'm not sure how one can make a reasonable comparison between a GT 5 and a PS2 game (TOCA). I'd still like to know why you feel it is better.

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by Whitesox

I didn't jump on anybody. This is how debates work. Person A makes a point, Person B rebuts, and so on. If any of the posts I have made offended you, I apologize. As for the posts above, I'd take GT5's visuals over all of them, but that is my opinion. Although I'm not sure how one can make a reasonable comparison between a GT 5 and a PS2 game (TOCA). I'd still like to know why you feel it is better.

That's a PC and Xbox game of Toca 3...