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TombSong · 08-10-2010, 03:30 AM

WOW. I am indeed shocked. Man, the irony. I thought having the devs here was a good thing. This "review"
has shed some new light on that. Is this the price a site must pay to have these guys speak here ?

I have been playing Madden 2011(THE RETAIL VERSION) since Saturday. There are some things I like about the game but man even if I was high on happy juice and promised King Solomons mines, I could never bring myself to write a review of the game like the one I just read.

Pro-tak, locomotion, animations, players skills(abilites) are STILL behind that of older games. The Franchise mode is last years franchise mode, and THE hyped gameplay feature game flow cannot even be used in mulitplayer games online because if you use it, you might as well be letting BOZO the clown call plays for you.

Defensive backs mirroring WR routes and running the route before the WR's(not as bad as NCAA but its there)
You not being able to add on to a tackle and are essentially reduced to being a spectator as pro-tak allows the RB to steam roll through your defense. This is the pinnacle of football greatness ?

There are two old games that already do 99% of what madden has just accomplished and do it better in a lot of aspects and a new game that has those "physics" applied to it for real that the madden guys said could not be done this gen.

With all that said how on earth can the review I just read even be possible ? It aint even about the score, or whether you like the game or not. This goes beyond that. Truth is truth and that review read like one of those late night commercials you see about some 19.99 home gym that will let you look like the Hulk in 4 weeks.

haljordan73 · 08-10-2010, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kr3w


	I respect peoples opinions, and I expect the same to be done to mine as well. With that being said; of course you guys give Madden a 9. After playing Backbreaker, and playing the Madden 11 demo, I have no idea how the hell anyone could like Madden 11. The game felt, looked, sounded, and played like complete crap, objectively speaking. I HOPED Madden 11 would have been better, and I'm disappointed, again.

I have both, and for me it's really no contest, Madden is leagues above Backbreaker

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Originally Posted by TombSong


	WOW. I am indeed shocked. Man, the irony. I thought having the devs here was a good thing. This "review" has shed some new light on that. Is this the price a site must pay to have these guys speak here ? I have been playing Madden 2011(THE RETAIL VERSION) since Saturday. There are some things I like about the game but man even if I was high on happy juice and promised King Solomons mines, I could never bring myself to write a review of the game like the one I just read. Pro-tak, locomotion, animations, players skills(abilites) are STILL behind that of older games. The Franchise mode is last years franchise mode, and THE hyped gameplay feature game flow cannot even be used in mulitplayer games online because if you use it, you might as well be letting BOZO the clown call plays for you. Defensive backs mirroring WR routes and running the route before the WR's(not as bad as NCAA but its there) You not being able to add on to a tackle and are essentially reduced to being a spectator as pro-tak allows the RB to steam roll through your defense. This is the pinnacle of football greatness ? There are two old games that already do 99% of what madden has just accomplished and do it better in a lot of aspects and a new game that has those "physics" applied to it for real that the madden guys said could not be done this gen. With all that said how on earth can the review I just read even be possible ? It aint even about the score, or whether you like the game or not. This goes beyond that. Truth is truth and that review read like one of those late night commercials you see about some 19.99 home gym that will let you look like the Hulk in 4 weeks.

My goodness, you think an awful lot of your own opinion, huh? Who are you to say what the review should say, we are all entitled to what we want to think of the game

Nza · 08-10-2010, 04:55 AM

I think the argument there is more to do with the review being overly positive than not accepting another opinion. M11 had plenty of short comings and disappointments known well before release, but the review seems to keep the mention of these to a minimum. I'm sure much of the positive observations and impressions in the review are valid, but there is more to Madden than the good parts.

I use to review games for a living - it was not easy to write a balanced take on a game with the depth hardcore fans of its genre expect. It's also true that pressure exists in the industry to give good scores to big releases - gaming review scores now days hover somewhere between 7-9 out of 10 for probably 90+% of reviews. The pressure the industry applies forces 4/10 games to become 7/10, and 6/10 games to become 9/10. To portray actual 9/10 games, media started adopting .5 scales, i.e. 9.5. It seems the difference between 9 and 9.5 these days is massive when it comes to actual game quality - more than 6/10 vs 9/10.

Combining the two, I find it hard to believe the consensus of OS Madden gamers would see M11 as a 9/10 game, if only because there is so much more that could be done in Madden to only allow for 1 more point to perfection. If everyone tried really hard to outline what they want in Madden and didn't compromise, and compared that to what actually is in Madden, 9/10 seems a little silly.

SGdirtyburt · 08-10-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tazdevil20


	I thought this reviewer summed things up nicely here:

The EA team has added a new 3 vs. 3 Team Play modes that lets any combination of up to 3 players on each team take on each other head to head. Each squad will be in control of a single offensive and defensive unit. On offense players would control the skilled players like Running Backs, Quarterback, and Receivers, and on defense you can choose the Lineman, Linebackers, or Secondary. While he team play is a cool feature, how many people have really asked for this when the online franchise has virtually been left untouched with little support added to a mode that lack any real depth. The Locomotion engine is great, but will see players “skate” across the field at times causing great tacklers such as Ray Lewis miss tackles on easy plays. The two main problems with the GameFlow feature is plays that are not working being called too often, and the player not knowing which specific play is called on offense or defense. I’m all for EA Tiburon making the game more accessible to the casual gamer, but what are they really learning by using the GameFlow feature if they don’t even know what play is being called? If EA could patch in the name of the play into both the offense and defense it might have a really good feature to teach the casual fan about the real NFL game. In years past, the NCAA Football series has always been the red-headed stepchild to the Madden series, but with all the improvement made to NCAA this year, will Madden NFL11 finally feel what it is like to have the shoe on the other foot this year?

Thanks for the kind words Taz

sportyguyfl31 · 08-10-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ANDROMADA 1


	I like the review. I don't see the problem with defense in general. I have used the Texans for most of my games and have kept the offenses in check. Sure I give up big plays from time to time but the major difference from my point of view is I don't feel "cheated" when it happens, unlike Madden 10 when players were warping all over the place. The thing that guys are not keeping in mind is this. Great players play good, and Bad players play bad. There seems to be a misconception out there that everybody can play at an elite level at every position and that simply isn't so. If you have marginal corners and safeties you will get marginal coverage. Ditto for ever other position. You must play to your teams strengths. No more hiding in a cover 4 all game and letting the CPU get cheap interceptions for you. You have to earn them now... Thats all I got for now fellas

That's music to my ears.

Blitzburgh · 08-10-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveDQ


	I understand where you are coming from, but this is a discussion forum. We post things for discussion and discuss what is posted. Now, I agree to come on here and write one sentence that says, "Meh...Madden sucks" is ridiculous. However, rather than it being the hopes of seeing Madden score bad, I think it's more along the lines of a strong number of football gaming fans that are certainly displeased with what this title has done this generation, and from that they would like their thoughts and judgments to be affirmed. There's nothing wrong with that, and seeing this game score a 9 on a site that has traditionally held sports games on a high level of accountability is a bit frustrating.

I couldn't agree more....

roadman · 08-10-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TombSong


	WOW. I am indeed shocked. Man, the irony. I thought having the devs here was a good thing. This "review" has shed some new light on that. Is this the price a site must pay to have these guys speak here ?

Really?

When is the last time Ian posted here?

Talk about irony, he hasn't posted in these parts for almost a year and you feel that has influence over the review?

All they do is an EA rep posts links to blogs.

Rules · 08-10-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MMChrisS


	Yeah, for MY review click the link below http://www.operationsports.com/MMChr...nfl-10-review/

Chris~ Sorry about that as I thought your review was miles better.

08-10-2010, 04:55 AM	#147
Nza MVP OVR: 16 Join Date: Jan 2004	Re: Madden NFL 11 Review I think the argument there is more to do with the review being overly positive than not accepting another opinion. M11 had plenty of short comings and disappointments known well before release, but the review seems to keep the mention of these to a minimum. I'm sure much of the positive observations and impressions in the review are valid, but there is more to Madden than the good parts. I use to review games for a living - it was not easy to write a balanced take on a game with the depth hardcore fans of its genre expect. It's also true that pressure exists in the industry to give good scores to big releases - gaming review scores now days hover somewhere between 7-9 out of 10 for probably 90+% of reviews. The pressure the industry applies forces 4/10 games to become 7/10, and 6/10 games to become 9/10. To portray actual 9/10 games, media started adopting .5 scales, i.e. 9.5. It seems the difference between 9 and 9.5 these days is massive when it comes to actual game quality - more than 6/10 vs 9/10. Combining the two, I find it hard to believe the consensus of OS Madden gamers would see M11 as a 9/10 game, if only because there is so much more that could be done in Madden to only allow for 1 more point to perfection. If everyone tried really hard to outline what they want in Madden and didn't compromise, and compared that to what actually is in Madden, 9/10 seems a little silly. Last edited by Nza; 08-10-2010 at 05:04 AM.

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08-10-2010, 03:30 AM	#145
TombSong MVP OVR: 21 Join Date: Jul 2002	WOW. I am indeed shocked. Man, the irony. I thought having the devs here was a good thing. This "review" has shed some new light on that. Is this the price a site must pay to have these guys speak here ? I have been playing Madden 2011(THE RETAIL VERSION) since Saturday. There are some things I like about the game but man even if I was high on happy juice and promised King Solomons mines, I could never bring myself to write a review of the game like the one I just read. Pro-tak, locomotion, animations, players skills(abilites) are STILL behind that of older games. The Franchise mode is last years franchise mode, and THE hyped gameplay feature game flow cannot even be used in mulitplayer games online because if you use it, you might as well be letting BOZO the clown call plays for you. Defensive backs mirroring WR routes and running the route before the WR's(not as bad as NCAA but its there) You not being able to add on to a tackle and are essentially reduced to being a spectator as pro-tak allows the RB to steam roll through your defense. This is the pinnacle of football greatness ? There are two old games that already do 99% of what madden has just accomplished and do it better in a lot of aspects and a new game that has those "physics" applied to it for real that the madden guys said could not be done this gen. With all that said how on earth can the review I just read even be possible ? It aint even about the score, or whether you like the game or not. This goes beyond that. Truth is truth and that review read like one of those late night commercials you see about some 19.99 home gym that will let you look like the Hulk in 4 weeks.

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