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  • brza37
    Pro
    • Oct 2008
    • 748

    #46
    Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

    Originally posted by monkeybutlerz


    I think most of us franchise guys would like to see full rosters, with practice squads, real IR and the ability to not be bogged down by the 53 man roster limit during the off-season (until the cut dates occur, of course). Donny Moore's Twitter seems to imply they'll be sticking with the basic 53 yet again this year.


    What are your thoughts?
    This is disappointing. If 80 man rosters were in why would Donny need to complete a 53-man roster now? If 80 man rosters were in he'd be more focused on rating the 80 players per team and getting those rosters right before concentrating on 53 man rosters for online play.

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    • Feldman9000
      Banned
      • May 2010
      • 5

      #47
      I'm almost convinced since EA hit a homerun last year with Madden, they're not really doing anything special to change it. The presenation remains untouched for some reason and I haven't seen a single video with Pro-tak. Taking out pro-tak is a giant leap in the wrong direction. Right now i'm looking forward to NCAA and not so much this and i buy this every year.

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      • nuckles2k2
        MVP
        • Sep 2006
        • 1922

        #48
        Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

        Originally posted by EAOS
        It's called Track Record. And unless you've been living under a rock the last decade, EA's track record is similar to that of a moving or taxi cab company.

        You can't put a lick of credibility into anything that company says.
        Track records weigh more heavily when the same pieces are in place...in this case they're not.

        You want track record?

        Josh Looman worked on the last gen franchise mode (that a lot of us loved) and he worked on NFL Head Coach 09 (ridiculous franchise oriented game.)

        Madden 06-09's franchise was headed up by someone other than Looman (if they even had a particular person designated to work on franchise...the staleness of the mode says Ortiz was ignoring it)

        Madden 10 Looman is put in charge of the franchise mode, and while it's not perfect, we saw more attempts to fix the mode in one game than in the previous 4 combined: hand made draft classes to give you busts in the first round and gems later on, improved trade logic (still needs to be worked on, but it's better,) the weekly wrap up show, fixed a host of FA issues, and added the half sack and assisted tackle stats.

        So far Josh Looman's track record looks pretty solid. I'll base my opinions on his work as opposed to his predecessors. What happened to Madden's franchise mode between 06 and 09 has nothing to do with the guy appointed to fix the mode beginning with Madden 10.

        Or am I supposed to just look at the logo EA and start frothing at the mouth with hate? I know how to be fair and objective. Madden 06 through portions of 09, developed and produced under the watch and guidance of David Ortiz, were pure pieces of trash. I don't think I played any of them for more than a few weeks before they were listed on Amazon.com.

        Madden 10 was an obvious improvement and if NFL HC 09 is any indication (which had expanded rosters), Looman knows what he's doing. I'll wait for him to prove me wrong before I bring the fire.

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        • PocketRocket
          Banned
          • May 2010
          • 204

          #49
          Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

          Originally posted by Finsfan46
          I think Madden has actually had a roster limit of 55 for awhile now, but if this is to compensate for a non-functional IR...then that is a long standing bad fix.

          At a minimum, Madden 11 has to have a working IR, the Dev's must know by now that this is a horrible error in the programming !

          I would like a Full Functioning NFL style roster in Madden, but highly doubt they will get that technical anytime soon. That would in no way fall in the "simpler" format.
          At minimum, they should have a working IR, 45 man active rosters and no position requirements. If we want to put 53 kickers on the roster, we should be able to do that.

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          • sois
            Banned
            • Nov 2007
            • 1900

            #50
            Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

            Originally posted by PocketRocket
            At minimum, they should have a working IR, 45 man active rosters and no position requirements. If we want to put 53 kickers on the roster, we should be able to do that.
            Yeah, this is the absolute minimum that has to be in the game for me to consider purchase.

            How long have we been calling for this?

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            • PocketRocket
              Banned
              • May 2010
              • 204

              #51
              Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

              Originally posted by sois
              Yeah, this is the absolute minimum that has to be in the game for me to consider purchase.

              How long have we been calling for this?
              I forgot about practice squads. This is the sixth version of Madden to be released on this generation of consoles. We should have practice squads by now. Essentially, all Tiburon would have to do is allow the user to select eight players in the free agent pool as practice squad players, have them progress a little bit, sometimes getting injured, to simulate the fact that they're practicing with a team and they're not on the street.

              Even if they didn't put in 80 man rosters in preseason,this year, I would be happy with this: 53 man rosters, 45 man active game day rosters,a working IR, and practice squads.

              Oh...I almost forgot, put the restricted FA period back in franchise mode.
              Last edited by PocketRocket; 05-19-2010, 11:10 AM.

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              • sois
                Banned
                • Nov 2007
                • 1900

                #52
                Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                Originally posted by PocketRocket
                Even if they didn't put in 80 man rosters in preseason,this year, I would be happy with this: 53 man rosters, 45 man active game day rosters,a working IR, and practice squads.

                Oh...I almost forgot, put the restricted FA period back in franchise mode.
                And a working IR. Do those things and I will buy.

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                • nuckles2k2
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 1922

                  #53
                  Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                  Originally posted by PocketRocket
                  I forgot about practice squads. This is the sixth version of Madden to be released on this generation of consoles. We should have practice squads by now. Essentially, all Tiburon would have to do is allow the user to select eight players in the free agent pool as practice squad players, have them progress a little bit, sometimes getting injured, to simulate the fact that they're practicing with a team and they're not on the street.

                  Even if they didn't put in 80 man rosters in preseason,this year, I would be happy with this: 53 man rosters, 45 man active game day rosters,a working IR, and practice squads.

                  Oh...I almost forgot, put the restricted FA period back in franchise mode.
                  Hell. Yes.

                  Plus I would like to see roster bonuses added to the game, but for that we would need a functioning calendar in franchise so we can actually see when the bonuses kick in. Makes decisions a little tougher when you know you have one week before a hefty bonus kicks in and you have to figure out whether or not to keep the guy on the roster.

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                  • thudias
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 1995

                    #54
                    Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                    If a working calendar was added it would be cool to have 2-3 roster cut down dates.
                    Because I can!

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                    • PocketRocket
                      Banned
                      • May 2010
                      • 204

                      #55
                      Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                      Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                      Hell. Yes.

                      Plus I would like to see roster bonuses added to the game, but for that we would need a functioning calendar in franchise so we can actually see when the bonuses kick in.
                      We're still asking for a functional IR. Roster bonuses are a decade away.

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                      • nuckles2k2
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 1922

                        #56
                        Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                        Originally posted by PocketRocket
                        We're still asking for a functional IR. Roster bonuses are a decade away.
                        Like I said before, I'll wait for Looman to disprove his resume before I criticize EA for the franchise mode from Madden 10 on. If I can't look at a man's past work and resume and base my opinion on that...what can you look at? Because like I said, Looman had a hand in last gen's franchise success, Head Coach 09's success, and the half dozen additions to Madden 10 that weren't there from 06 to 09. He knows what he's doing.

                        He himself said that we can't expect Head Coach 09 to appear in Madden right from the get-go but that Madden 10 would be a foundation...something they can build on (yes, it may have it's issues, but they're correctable issues that can be taken care of as they build.)Call me crazy....but before you build the house...you need to set the foundation.

                        Personally I'm putting a lot of the onus on Looman. He's proven himself in the past and I expect him to revive franchise mode in Madden. But what I'm not going to do is blame him for Madden's franchise mode when he had nothing to do with it. We're past all of that and all we can do is move on with the dudes we have in place now.

                        If a company is tanking and they fire the CEO and replace him with someone who's supposed to correct all of the mistakes while grow the company...are you going to blame the new CEO for the bonehead mistakes of his predecessor? Why would you? He wasn't the one calling the shots. You wait for him to make his own mistakes, if he does.

                        If Madden 10 was the foundation, lets see what sort of progress they make with Madden 11 before we get the torches and pitchforks.

                        And if you're too immature to realize that this is how things go and because you're frustrated that suddenly everything has to be the way you want it now, and right now dammit, that's you being unrealistic. (this isn't toward any one person in particular, it's just a mind set around here these days.)

                        Yes there are tons of things that should be in franchise mode, I've acknowledged that dozens of times in countless threads. But bringing up the past and what should have happened under the guidance of a totally different person isn't going to bring progress. It just looks petty:

                        "I don't think you're going to do a good job because I have all of these expectations (no matter how reasonable) and the guy before you didn't meet any of them....and while you were cleaning up his mess and trying to please the fanbase...you still missed a bunch of my expectations....even though you said not to expect too much this year."

                        Sounds a bit ridiculous. Be upset, but be upset and also try to contribute in a way that doesn't look foolish. That's not how you get the devs attention and get your voice heard.

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                        • nuckles2k2
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 1922

                          #57
                          Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                          This is how it's done:
                          http://www.operationsports.com/forum...se-mode-6.html

                          Tons of excellent ideas in there that the devs can browse and get some ideas from.

                          Angry, pissed off people who want their beloved franchise to be good once again....but all they do is present ideas to do so. That's how you help the game that folks obviously want to buy since they're so passionate about it.

                          Instead of trying to tear people down and point out all of the flaws from the past, how about help YOUR game get better with suggestions, ideas, and constructive criticism without all of the negativity?

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                          • brza37
                            Pro
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 748

                            #58
                            Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                            Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                            Like I said before, I'll wait for Looman to disprove his resume before I criticize EA for the franchise mode from Madden 10 on. If I can't look at a man's past work and resume and base my opinion on that...what can you look at? Because like I said, Looman had a hand in last gen's franchise success, Head Coach 09's success, and the half dozen additions to Madden 10 that weren't there from 06 to 09. He knows what he's doing.
                            I agree with you generally and I'm trying to hold the faith but its just a bit discouraging to see that, Looman, the man we thought was gonna save franchise mode has been put in charge of Madden Ultimate Team and has exclusively talked about MUT since January. Then the twitter from Donny would also lead one to believe that full rosters won't be in this year either.

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                            • PocketRocket
                              Banned
                              • May 2010
                              • 204

                              #59
                              Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                              Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                              Like I said before, I'll wait for Looman to disprove his resume before I criticize EA for the franchise mode from Madden 10 on. If I can't look at a man's past work and resume and base my opinion on that...what can you look at? Because like I said, Looman had a hand in last gen's franchise success, Head Coach 09's success, and the half dozen additions to Madden 10 that weren't there from 06 to 09. He knows what he's doing.

                              He himself said that we can't expect Head Coach 09 to appear in Madden right from the get-go but that Madden 10 would be a foundation...something they can build on (yes, it may have it's issues, but they're correctable issues that can be taken care of as they build.)Call me crazy....but before you build the house...you need to set the foundation.

                              Personally I'm putting a lot of the onus on Looman. He's proven himself in the past and I expect him to revive franchise mode in Madden. But what I'm not going to do is blame him for Madden's franchise mode when he had nothing to do with it. We're past all of that and all we can do is move on with the dudes we have in place now.

                              If a company is tanking and they fire the CEO and replace him with someone who's supposed to correct all of the mistakes while grow the company...are you going to blame the new CEO for the bonehead mistakes of his predecessor? Why would you? He wasn't the one calling the shots. You wait for him to make his own mistakes, if he does.

                              If Madden 10 was the foundation, lets see what sort of progress they make with Madden 11 before we get the torches and pitchforks.

                              And if you're too immature to realize that this is how things go and because you're frustrated that suddenly everything has to be the way you want it now, and right now dammit, that's you being unrealistic. (this isn't toward any one person in particular, it's just a mind set around here these days.)

                              Yes there are tons of things that should be in franchise mode, I've acknowledged that dozens of times in countless threads. But bringing up the past and what should have happened under the guidance of a totally different person isn't going to bring progress. It just looks petty:

                              "I don't think you're going to do a good job because I have all of these expectations (no matter how reasonable) and the guy before you didn't meet any of them....and while you were cleaning up his mess and trying to please the fanbase...you still missed a bunch of my expectations....even though you said not to expect too much this year."

                              Sounds a bit ridiculous. Be upset, but be upset and also try to contribute in a way that doesn't look foolish. That's not how you get the devs attention and get your voice heard.
                              I understand that Looman just started last year. I also understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, and these things take time. However, when looking at the work that Looman has ahead for him, I don't think you can expect roster bonuses to be included anytime soon.

                              There are many things that have to be corrected and added first:the sim stats need to be ironed out, expanded rosters in the preseason need to be added, restricted free agency has to be put back in, 53 man rosters, 45 man game day rosters, practice squads, front-loading and back-loading contracts,a functional AI and a myriad of other things that need to be added and/or corrected before Looman worries about implementing roster bonuses, which would require a working calendar.
                              Last edited by PocketRocket; 05-19-2010, 11:10 PM.

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                              • ForeverYoung
                                Rookie
                                • May 2003
                                • 291

                                #60
                                Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

                                Originally posted by sois
                                And a working IR. Do those things and I will buy.
                                IR can't be fixed without expanded rosters, because players on IR stay on your team.

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