Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

[Valdarez]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

I think the best way to avoid the needless back and forth between the same three people is to have the people who have super strident convictions about what should/should not be done just write their own manual/gameplay guide, post a link to it, and leave it at that. That way, people who want to be told how to play to make someone else happy know where to look.

No one has told anyone how to play the game, the only thing we have discussed is whether it's an exploit or not. No need to make stuff up Autumn Wind.

[RyanMoody21]

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Out of curiosity, what does it mean to "lab" a game?

Well, to me it means to go into the practice mode and exhaust all possible scenarios until you have a firm grasp of the results of a given play.

[Valdarez]

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Out of curiosity, what does it mean to "lab" a game?

When someone says lab, they basically mean testing it out, typically under varying conditions to determine the problems and effectiveness / ineffectiveness of the play, or perhaps to discover how to stop a particular play.

[dfos81]

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I don't see a problem with it.

I do know that there are some receivers you really don't want to bump, so there's a built-in, ratings-dependent thing to help deal.

I like the motion routes that eliminate the possibility of the bump (my playbook has a few of them). Wheel routes from the inside of the formation can sometimes come wide open with the playcall as-is, and with a good throw can leave BNR hurting.

I agree, those are some good plays to use as well. This is just one way to beat man BnR coverage.

Even in reg. man D(ie. 2man under), dbs and lbers are supposed to turn and chase.

I remember a league I played in didn't like seeing guys snapping the ball when the WR was still in motion. Now that they are designed play calls in the game were the WR's are in motion when the balls snapped, its all good now

Now I think some may have more of an issue w/ this b/c it involved hot-routing.

Well then that should be discussed in the Madden gripe thread.
Mention that you don't think hot routing is legit in there. This isn't the place to try and make a Madden Gripe, bottom line. Its sad that they even tried to turn this into a Madden gripe thread

[RyanMoody21]

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I honestly would like to know how you would feel if you got beat via this. What if somebody did this to you each time to march down the field?

Please dont simply coat that with "I would manually defend the passes each time." If you want to claim your that good in this game, then clearly you wouldn't need any assistance in getting pass completions.

Have you done any labbing to find this isnt a direct result of the hot routing?

[dfos81]

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Well, to me it means to go into the practice mode and exhaust all possible scenarios until you have a firm grasp of the results of a given play.

Practice mode! Are we talking about practice mode. Come on man!

I can get alot of things to work over and over in practice mode. Then I get in a franchise game and it never works the same

[dfos81]

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I honestly would like to know how you would feel if you got beat via this. What if somebody did this to you each time to march down the field?

They wouldn't b/c I wouldn't pick Man BnR coverage the whole time.
Simple as that. Its not an unstoppable play at all.

Just try it in a franchise game(at least All-Pro level or better) and see how many points you get off of it.

Now if you don't like hot-routing, maybe post your thoughts about that in the Madden Gripe thread.

[RyanMoody21]

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They wouldn't b/c I wouldn't pick Man BnR coverage the whole time.
Simple as that.
If you don't like hot-routing, maybe post your thoughts about that in the Madden Gripe thread.

Honestly, is this maybe the 5th time I have posted this? That play is NOT using bump and run coverage. Woodson is 10 yards off Jackson.

Its clear, by your 2nd post above, you have done nothing to look into this. You cant even accurately look at the video in question.

Are you denying that Jackson is open on the post and slant when covered by Al Harris in the opening of the video?

Are you saying that playing 10 yards off is considered press coverage?

All you have done is constantly defend this tactic of game play as fair and acceptable. Now, when questioned about how you would feel about it being used against you, you simply say "well I dont use press coverage, so it never would". With total disregard to the fact this isnt press coverage and I have personally replicated this play with other DB's.

So after all this defending of yourself, your requesting this get merged with the Madden Gripes thread. Are you honestly going to make a case that the practice and game modes play totally different, as if the code isn't the same?

Im not going to make a video for you (as you eluded) to show you this working. Because its clear no matter what you see, you will feel this what EA put in the game to replicate picks in the NFL.

[dfos81]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

When someone says lab, they basically mean testing it out, typically under varying conditions to determine the problems and effectiveness / ineffectiveness of the play, or perhaps to discover how to stop a particular play.

Varying conditions isn't JUST Practice mode. So Rmoody's finding doesn't mean didily poo to me.

[dfos81]

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Honestly, is this maybe the 5th time I have posted this? That play is NOT using bump and run coverage. Woodson is 10 yards off Jackson.

You're making this laughable now! Lol.
Just b/c you said it 5 or 6times doesn't make it become true.

So nobody played BnR on that play?

The bump didn't work for Woodson(which he was not 10yds off, none of the Dbs were 10yds off dude) b/c of the formation called and the hot-routing involved, others that could, did BnR!

Just watch the video, its designed to beat Man press/BnR coverage.

You wanna call it a glitch, well thats fine.
We agree to disagree on that.

[RyanMoody21]

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Maybe we just arent looking at the same thing.

Press Coverage being used.

0:10 - 0:12 - On a Post, Jackson has a full step on Al Harris. I consider that open.

0:44 - 0:49 - On a slant, Jackson has a half step, and is clearly faster than Al Harris. Provided you lead the WR, I consider that open.

Press Coverage is NOT being used.

1:17 - 1:20 - Charles Woodson is now covering Jackson and lines up a full 5 yards off of him. Not once does he make contact with him. A hot route is made so that the slot WR (who is actually a HB) makes contact with Woodson as he moves down to cover his man.

My last post was my error, unlike prior posts where I said 5 yards, for some reason I said 10. Not sure why, maybe the repetitiveness of this is driving me nuts.

Im done posting in this, I know you said this several posts ago and never held firm, but I will.

Its clear, you think this is a fair way to win games. You also seem to think the practice modes run off a different AI than the rest of the game. You just wanna sit here and tell everybody what you THINK the game would do, having admitted to not spending the 15 minutes to go into the game and see for yourself.

As I said before, you seem to be very high on your Madden skills. I would think that you wouldn't need a cheap play like this to move the ball down the field. If you need to rely on plays like this to beat other people, and defend it so harshly, that tells me all I need to know.

[Valdarez]

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As I said before, you seem to be very high on your Madden skills.

I question that assessment. I asked for him to provide other ways of beating BnR in Madden and he didn't provide one and yet he dismisses actual testing of the play when it's clear he hasn't tested it himself.

[KBLover]

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BTW most sim leagues(ie. 40nick) won't let you Global BnR every play, they consider it cheese as well or let you use Bunch sets every play.

What?

Bump and Run coverage is cheese?

What ISN'T cheese? I mean, seriously. It's like everything is starting to be considered "cheese".

[Valdarez]

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What?

Bump and Run coverage is cheese?

What ISN'T cheese? I mean, seriously. It's like everything is starting to be considered "cheese".

I haven't played in a Madden Sim league, but I imagine they just want folks to mix things up on both offense and defense so you have a more dynamic game.

[MAHAM]

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Clearly I "get it", after all you just rewrote what I had already posted and added "I dont understand what you dont get" infront of it. Setting a pick has got nothing to do with routing your players to cause a DB to run directly into another player at the snap of the ball.

Woodson isnt even close enough to jam Jackson, the pick is set only by the hot routing. I just told you, from my own experimenting this works with speed DB's just as well. The only times it wont work is if you change the routes to prevent the overlapping.

Im not sure what playing in game or in practice changes. In theroy players should recat the same in either mode.

Practice mode against man D, what play doesn't work in practice vs Man D? I play more practice mode than actual gameplay and it doesn't translate.

I have watched the video over and over, and at the 1:20 mark you obviously see Woodson stepping up to bump a reciever who's lined OFF(OFF)OFF the line of scrimmage.

If the reciever was on the line, he would be jammed.

The player running into him is running his route and Woodson gets in the way, not the other around. I ask again, what don't you get about that? That's what should happen.

There is nothing cheesy about it.

Man defense is the weakest defense in football, don't expect miracle coverage.