thank you finally i can enjoy this game.............
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Re: patch details here
Pared and everyone else touching on game testing, I thought you might find this thread interesting.
Something that stood out to me was the limited resources for testing. I'm sure there are very good and valid reasons to NOT have people in the community like yourself test these games, but it seems like it would be beneficial for many obvious reasons if it was possible.
From b-Dub:
Every year we get a thread or two about this and every year I have to go and remind people how things work.
The testers for 2K are not just 2K Sports testers. They test other 2K games as well. The majority of them are in one office, near LA at one of 2K's main offices. There is a group of testers, but not all of them are testing the same game. I don't know how many are actually testing 2K Sports games, and NBA 2K in particular, but I'm sure it could be more. But that's a financial matter with the company. Also, the testers generally rotate games, so they aren't always playing the same game over and over. Because of that, you can't expect any or all of them to have a great knowledge of basketball or sports. Generally, each day when they arrive, they have a list of things to test out in a certain game, then they spend the day testing those things out and trying to "break" the game.
Also know that testing is usually something that goes on for months and months. But since sports games come out on a yearly basis, that means you have less time to test and less time to fix bugs that may be found before release. So, what do you do when you have a set deadline to get a game out the door and no way to delay that? You have to prioritize. Which bugs need to be fixed before release? Which bugs can be fixed later in a patch? And which bugs can wait until next year, because there just isn't time? I'm sure those aren't easy decisions to make, because a bug that one person doesn't experience to often or finds minor, someone else might experience it often or is very bothered by it.
As for why aren't these bugs found in testing. Again, each day the testers generally have a list of things to test out. Then, closer to release, they get a near finished build to play around with and try to find as many things as they can. But, 15-20 testers (guessing at that number there) with a limited amount of time just aren't going to be able to find all the bugs that 100,000+ people will find. And some of the bugs that members here have reported, may have been reported by a tester, but then the company decided it was a low priority bug. But, if enough members complain about that bug, then it suddenly goes from low priority to high priority.
And why be upset that the patch won't be out within one month release? Don't you want the things in the patch to work? Also, with the approval process that Sony and MS does, it can be real tough getting something out within a month.
I know some of you people don't care to read this or know this, because you think 2K should be able to produce flawless games and have one million testers capable of finding every bug in existence. But, that's just not how it is. Yes, the game may feel rushed, but in a sense, it is. When you only have a year to get a game out, it's going to be a bit rushed in some areas. Think about it. Most games on the current generation of hardware is in development for 3+ years. They can be delayed if need be. They have a long time to test. Games with big multiplayer online features even have open beta. Yet, sports games still stick with the yearly release, with limited amount of testing. It's an outdated system, in my opinion, and that's why sports games always seem behind the curve when compared to other genres. And why it takes them quite a few years for their game to truly feel "next gen". And it's also why some features in the game can feel rushed.Last edited by BroMontana82; 10-21-2009, 05:41 PM.Comment
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Re: patch details here
^ Good post. I think they should get some sports buffs(preferably big 2k players) and have them actually play the game..if you don't trust them posting stuff online make them sign a contract. I am sure people would PAY to play the alpha/beta stages and would catch more bugs...Comment
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
What I don't understand is why they just put Superstar difficulty on just ranked Team-up matches instead of ALL ranked games. I see they still want the cheesers to keep playing.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
The D issues are my biggest ones. Sliders help the other stuff but, the D or lack of D are my biggest concerns. Thanks for the headsup.Moderator
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these changes are awesome (as people have said...if they dont break the game in other ways). a fair few of the changes can be made manually via sliders, but changing too many sliders feels kinda like cheating so im glad they're attending to things like alley-oops. it will basically fix most of my nit-picking issues so i can't wait
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
I'm having fun with the game as is, but this is welcome. Reading the list made me realize that I have been seeing a lot of these things but didn't really pay attention to them. This massive amount of fixes should make a lot of people very happy. No association for me until the patch comes out. Thanks 2k/VC.Originally posted by jim416Comment
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
It is strange that they left those defensive fixes out of the patch list, because along with the shooting percentages and contact in the paint, it was the most important thing that needed to be fixed, IMO.
I was pleased with the list before, but now I'm ecstatic. The My Player minutes thing is the only sore spot for me. I agree with the mindset that they made some poor design choices for the mode.
We know that for a myriad of reasons 2K chooses not to involve the community in any of the early implementation of modes and features, but this is an occasion where early feedback from the community could have led to the mode not having as many of those first year flaws that most new modes do.
Oh, well It is what it is.Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.
Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
[quote=jfsolo;2040356814]It is strange that they left those defensive fixes out of the patch list, because along with the shooting percentages and contact in the paint, it was the most important thing that needed to be fixed, IMO.
Thats what I said, im surprised that the defense is going to be untouched, is 2K trying to go in a arcade direction or are the devs oblivious to how bad the defense is in 2K10 or, maybe its so obvious that this will be fixed.Comment
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Jordan Mychal Lemos
@crypticjordan
Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.
Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K10 Patch Details Announced
is the utter lack of physical interior D going to be fixed in the patch.
it doesnt mention it on the list.
thats the biggest issue for me.Comment
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