NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

**Flightwhite24** · 09-23-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by stephensonmc

c'mon!!

We all want the same thing here. No need to apologize. All good homie.

I will go on record and say Steph has responded to all my PM's that I have ever sent him and it should be noted the "MAN" is legit!!!! Did I give/say enough props to get a free copy early??????

**Jonesy** · 09-23-2009, 08:44 PM

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Great discussion about the defense. Some great points from all parties.

I personally find myself trying to rely to heavily on the defensive assist button like i have done in previous years with both bball titles and I agree with Born that the defensive AI of my teamates needs to improve along with the (excellent imo) offensive AI which is quite good.

I still find playing defense a fun challenge but it does get frustrating at times to have to do "everything for everybody" rather than to be able to just control one defender and focus on stopping my player.

**Pared** · 09-23-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by bls

Pared I still don't really get what your saying. From what I see, the one on one defense is spot on to what you see in real life. You can't just go up to the ball handler and just body him all over the court. That's a foul. 95% of the time when contact is made it's the ball handler that made it. The defenders job is to keep the ball handler in front of him. When you see Artest playing defense, he is moving his feet, Battier, he is moving his feet. When contact has been made it's the offensive player into the defensive player which is never called a foul. This allows for the body contact similar to what you see in NBA Live. To me the locomotion/momentum of each player has added a variety to what you see defensive, and what player can guard another.

Improvement, Yes. But as of right now its pretty good to me.

That's cool. If it works for you, great. More can be done with it, and you'll see next year one way or another.

**Playmakers** · 09-23-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by ehh

If anything I'd say that the AI of offense needs to realize when good D is being played and not force up as many poor shots.

Ha-ha

That's kinda realistic since there are some ball hogs in the NBA.....

steph and them should make a slider for ball hog type players and chokers which means Josh Howard would fit both roles.....

**bigeastbumrush** · 09-23-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by bls

Pared I still don't really get what your saying. From what I see, the one on one defense is spot on to what you see in real life. You can't just go up to the ball handler and just body him all over the court. That's a foul. 95% of the time when contact is made it's the ball handler that made it. The defenders job is to keep the ball handler in front of him. When you see Artest playing defense, he is moving his feet, Battier, he is moving his feet. When contact has been made it's the offensive player into the defensive player which is never called a foul. This allows for the body contact similar to what you see in NBA Live. To me the locomotion/momentum of each player has added a variety to what you see defensive, and what player can guard another.

Improvement, Yes. But as of right now its pretty good to me.

Why are people trying to body someone up 5 feet beyond the 3-point line?

**Playmakers** · 09-23-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by bigeastbumrush

Why are people trying to body someone up 5 feet beyond the 3-point line?

I think what Pared is trying to say is that their are some perimeter defenders that play with a physical style such as using their hands, bumping a guy or even bodying up on a player.

Ron Artest is more of physical perimeter defender as opposed to a guy who has quik feet like Devin Harris out in space.

There are some guys because of reputation who can get away with being more physical on the perimeter than others. Jason Kidd is another guy who uses his size and strength to try and impede a guys progress.

The problem in the demo is that PHYSICAL PLAY is limited inside or outside because the game doesn't have much physicallity or a sense of player weight being utilized.

That might have been corrected already in the final version.....but i think that is what Pared was trying to say from his reading post.

Right now Live rewards you from moving your feet but there are other defensive tactics certain guys use to their advantage because they aren't great defenders based on foot speed alone.

I'd like to see a guy like Harris actually draw charges out in space since he does a great job of beating guys to a spot and then i'd like to see someone like Artest physically stop and offensive player because o his stength not because of his feet because Artest has never been a guy that beats you with foot movement he's always played guys physical and pushed them aound and i think we all know that Bruce Bowen used a combination of both foot movement and physical play.

Maybe in the future they could categorize guys differently as defenders

Physical Defender
Smart Defender
Quick Defender
Kinda like how Madden seperates their defenders by category

**Pared** · 09-23-2009, 11:52 PM

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Playmakers got it.

No point in beating the topic to death. Again, when it's changed next year, everyone will chant "OMG, this is so amazing!" and change their tune.

As long as the devs see it, that's all that matters.

**dat swag** · 09-23-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Playmakers

Maybe in the future they could categorize guys differently as defenders

Physical Defender
Smart Defender
Quick Defender
Kinda like how Madden seperates their defenders by category

I like this idea

**HOLLIDAY1183** · 09-24-2009, 12:50 AM

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Pared is right IMO. One of the more frustrating things on defense, is that sometimes you don't have enough momentum as you are contesting, and sometimes it seems like you don't bother the shot even though you swear you're all up in the shooter's grill. I think next year we'll see a great improvements here, because I think they've almost nailed the control in terms of shooting. I smile every time I start a drive w/Kobe toward the top of the key, and just pull back for the stepback fade. Just so sweet how you can do these shots ANY time you want.

But yeah, I enjoy playing D in terms of staying in front of your man, and have become quite good at it. But as Pared is saying there should be more here to counter everything the O has at it's disposal...don't think for a second that Wang & Co. prob even already blueprinting some nifty defensive controls for next year.

**stizz** · 09-24-2009, 02:12 AM

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Just played a game against my brother (huge cheeser) and was pretty much laughing and telling him to play real basketball the whole time. We had 2 games and both scores were something like 30 - 10. He think's Live sucks now, so I'm happy haha.

**goh** · 09-24-2009, 04:32 AM

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Ah my goodness,I think I just flopped with Fisher. Took a normal 3 and Nelson was no where near him but he fell on the floor anyway. Didn't get the call.

**Behindshadows** · 09-24-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by goh

Ah my goodness,I think I just flopped with Fisher. Took a normal 3 and Nelson was no where near him but he fell on the floor anyway. Didn't get the call.

I did the same thing and fell in front of the bench. And got the foul call it was hilarious and nice to see at the same time. He screamed and everything.

**Teddy_Long** · 09-24-2009, 10:09 AM

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hey, which button do i hold with the B button to do a pick and pop?

**Da_Czar** · 09-24-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Teddy_Long

hey, which button do i hold with the B button to do a pick and pop?

tap the right bumper teddy. You don't have to hold you can switch back and forth as you please between the pop and the roll by tapping that rb. Then he will follow your command when you release the b button. if you play with different release times the control is pretty sweet.

**Da_Czar** · 09-24-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

So maybe you should stop doing that move?

ROTFLOL.....loLa oh gawwd This was funny to me. Sorry michalejordanjr no offense brah !!!!

The obvious simplicity of this comment I find hilarious !!!

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